https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-plans-diesel-truck-ban-17604361.php Its not really surprising, but its going to be difficult to get from here to there. If all diesel is off the road in 20 years, they would almost have to ban new diesel rigs today. There's all kinds of 20 year old stuff running around here- in fact - most of the 20 year old stuff is the "new" truck.
I hope CA likes not having anything to eat, drink or work with...
It says diesel vehicle ban, nothing about diesel generators being banned. Just pay no attention to the generator behind the curtain at the charging station
Lol.!!!
Let CA do as they like. Just make sure their problems stay in CA. The biggest problem is they have the western seaports. The other states seaport's goods have to cross the mountains.
What I can say is that the greenies have been able to put a gun to the head of industry to make this happen. What is missing is the "or what" question if it can't get done in the time frame allotted. Going hungry, being cold at night, very hot during the day and can't afford to go anywhere may make people realize that the gun is unloaded. Still though, this is America so don't count out whether or not things can or can't happen in the future.
Unfortunately....The Pennsylvania Governor has decreed that here in Pa, our vehicles must comply with Kalifornia regs., same with solvents.
25 percent of produce comes from california.
At the moment but that will change.
It all depends on temperate weather and water. length of growing season.
And Water CA does not have and is losing access to import from other states. Mexico and Texas are fixing to overtake CA in foods production. A great deal of S Am Produce comes in at Galveston.
Right along with everywhere else half of Mexico's territory is suffering drought. Texas drought.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/
We will approach a point of too far and I'll believe that will bring this craziness to an end. Probably the only action that will solve this is a trucker strike, and it's already expensive to haul in ca, this will probably double it.
I’ve heard that CA is about to force the issue by cutting off water to the CA farmers.
The shear volume of produce that comes out of California is astounding not to mention forage production and dairy California has one of the largest dairy cow populations in the world and while ca has water and drought issues if they went back to better management practices they would be In better shape The port situation is already working itself out and i am willing to bet that in 5 years long beach wont put the strangle hold on the market that it does now. Weather electric takes hold or not time will tell ca already imports a lot of there base load from other states because there rules dont make it economical to build there so weather the grid will rise to challenge or not is hard to say but will be a rough road for a while
Cali is trying to legislate 10 lb's of **** fit in a 5 lb bag - it's just not going to work out the way they think it will. The government is the only entity so ignorant enough to come up with a plan like this.
Only because people in gov't do not suffer any consequences for poor decisions. examples... Naval ordinance bureau - Mark 14 torpedoes. Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS) circa 1983 Further recent examples would get into political discussions. Above principle still applies.
Yes-the problem was the counties that bought into WPPSS, some didn't like Grant County because that county bought into dam projects, and has some of the cheapest power in the U.S.
How will Cali produce the needed electricity to replace the diesel powered trucks? Didn't they have blackouts last summer? Morons.
Not our problem. We can just sit back and watch without a dime in the operation.
WPPSS was a problem but falls into the old school of thought as to Cost Plus Contracts. NRC has a problem where get into semantics, extreme what if conditions then become aggressive when bow to one request changing to demands on issues that have no bearing on safe operations. Watched this First hand where made comments as to why an Agent was asking a question or what their basis of the question was and was told to Stop Poking the Cat in the Cage. These Ego Monsters were set on the Nuclear industry with Carte Blanche magnitude orderability, heads just kept swelling with New Ideas on how to make names for themselves. Bunch of hack engineer wannbes' that have no business in business positions and can barely walk with so much swinging empty mass above their shoulders.
The cheapest power states-ND, MO. AR, LA and Washington. But Washington uses a lot of natural gas from Canada. Although back in the late 70's early 80's Shell drilled 5 different wells into huge pools of natural gas. Each well is over 15,000' deep-been setting capped ever since-in the middle of the state.
they won’t the same people screaming to end fossil fuels are the same people who protest any energy infrastructure, including green energy (which has no hope of filling the gap due to low density anyway) just for the sake of protesting. you can’t reason with these freaks they don’t know logic discourse they only think on emotion which is why they are so stupid to anybody with common sense
Want to shut one up or make studder real hard, ask how THEY got to the protest. They do not ride bicycles across country.
I see advantages to the current Small Modular Reactor systems, SMR Units, low enrichment value, smaller fuel assemblies Same size Width and number tubes using same tooling to manipulate just shorter, compact design incorporates into a single column package what required several acres of constructed buildings to house for the massive old nukes. Easier to add or remove a 150-250mw turbine generator from the grid than a 800-1300mw monster, can assemble several of these into a site even set them apart for safety should one rupture a steam line, run several smaller easier to transport or repair turbines and generators while still maintain a specific power density on grid. These are also designed on a 24 month fuel cycle not 18 as the older units.
My theory is most of them have likely had relatively easy and problem-free lives that they need to invent issues.
Scrutinized with microscopes to find least significant concern to the Agent that really had no bearing on safe operations. 3/4 of the DEMANDED added safety features the NRC had required for the plant I was in due to TMI either retired in place fully disconnected or was fully removed as a encumbrance to safe operations. Hundreds of thousands of dollars to install, and again to remove. Found the Reactor with steam generators intact and aux feed pumps NOT safety related running to send feed water while powered down was safer than flowing water thru the core with safety pumps. Removed heat passively in the reactor coolant system faster and cleaner. Thermodynamics is a fun science.
Back to the old standard, Hard Times produce strong men, Strong men produce good times, good times produce weak men, weak men cause hard times.
I think we're about to find out first hand the problems an entire planet full of weak men will cause.
Undoubtedly, and we are too aged to aid them repair it. Will only be able to point and state Fix That FIRST, Then THAT Second etc etc.
Let them hash it out, the strong will survive and the weak will perish. Trying to intervene to point the direction will only get you ostracized and dragged down with them. As I tell the wife I love the weak stupid ones, keeps competition away, and you can make money off them. Cause of the stupid ones acreage is somewhat cheap here, was cheaper till idiots found out there is other idiots here and they could make it here in groups.
Idiots ran up property values here, are being destroyed in end year RE Taxes. Did NOT plan on upward spiral where are loading RE Agencies with properties FOR SALE. Still HIGH Dollar where buyers are thinning rapidly. Property by the Deere Dealership here, BAD to negligible access next to run off ditch. Steep Highway and internal terrain, logged several years to decade ago where not recovered and pasturage overgrown with sprouts/saplings, Sold Top end of craze pricing, resold for a loss several months later, still for sale from third buyer at a steeper loss with no takers. Rotted Home on several acres at jct Hwy 100 and Hwy J, listed for YEARS above marketable value by City Dwellers looking at City prices, finally sold in the mass mayhem to Leave Civilization, paid DEARLY at double listed price, owner has spent again double to rehab the rotted house still has a rotted house and angry as had NO Inspections done. Last I heard from Contractors here, he is looking at a teardown to Stud walls, replace Rafters with Truss, rebuild insect damaged walls, replace ALUMINUM Conductor electrical system and bring up to code, complete tear out of Waste Control system, add a grey water discharge for laundry and softener with own sludge tank, elevate roadway INTO house so does not flood in median rainfalls, Replace entire Well system, casing BAD, pump is at best weak and piping Steel in grade, complete HVAC Refit. I had looked at the place when price was lower, could not make math work, saw only 75-80% of the issues, he and three others got into a bidding war, he got waxed.
I own a parcel next to this one, paid $50k for mine (last year) same size. There is junked out cars on the property, the trailer isn't there, the shack built there is missing the ridge cap and has been past since it was built, there is also junked out travel trailers on the property and it's next door to a mentally unstable woman who will come and say you have taken her land, call sheriff on you for no reason. If this place sells for that much I am cashing in for $1M with all my properties and buying a 640 acre spread to start over in the next county over. No you can't just go driving on the BLM out here as they state making it seem as if you can, the driveway up to the property ices over and doesn't defrost till May/June. No easement for the power they listed that is so close either and most of all the ground is rock let me repeat rock, I know cause I hauled hundreds of tons out of there, it's a gravel pit that's almost empty and no one to buy the gravel hardly. https://www.landwatch.com/custer-county-montana-recreational-property-for-sale/pid/415139406 https://www.landwatch.com/rosebud-county-montana-hunting-property-for-sale/pid/414917520
Have to be eight shades of Nuts to give close to $9k/acre for that. $1550/acre for the 640 is far too high as well. Can only expect $4500/acre HERE for reasonable farm ground WITH Electric close at hand off asphalt roads. Down by Brother In Laws place at Gladden is a two room Cabin, one bath, sewage and electric available on 60acres County Rte O, $182,000 0 County Rd 6287 Unit 22063137, Salem, MO 65560 - For Sale (homes.com) Just have to fight off the Meth Heads stealing everything.
I wish property was that cheap around here. Bare land alone is about 3x that.
Bottom is about to fall out on Real Estate, rising interest rates, banks unwilling to loan as people get stupid on bidding wars. People in general unable to afford what they Want and give up to set in place. TWO realtors here in town WANT our place BADLY, know its a instant Bidding war and sale. 78acres, barn Shop Shed 1860 sq ft main floor home 4br 4 bath over size two car garage, fenced cross fenced, lease to cattle raisers. BOTH have said sitting on a mil$$$$$$ property. Just Can't Do it!!!
Oh My! The sky is falling!
LOL!!!!
this hen clucking has got me ROFL.
I just wish the leaves would finish falling out if the trees.
Especially if you built your house and shop and did all the landscaping, it's really hard to let it go unless the price is astronomical. The other issue if you still want an acreage/farm size property, is where will you find it and what will the new property cost. Also depends on the neighbors you have. I found 80 acres for $65k in 2004 with no services to build an MX track and off road vehicle park. Biggest problem is it has a high water table so is more affected by rain. I've done a lot if drainage work which does help. Power is down the road but would probably cost almost as much as the land to get hooked up. I put a 40x60 pole shed up in 2015 for approx. $40K and the property was appraised at about $110k less the pole shed so it has gone up in value. The appraisal didn't include any improvements I've made including a 1/4 mile graveled driveway. Basic appraisal was required to add the shop to the mortgage. A commercial appraisal would have cost a few hundred $$$ more. I think if I found the right buyer might get in the 200K range today. Wish I could afford to get power. Might look into a grant. Hopefully the oval track I'm building gets a lot of interest and various clubs will put on regular events and practice sessions. There aren't an abundance of tracks so crossing my fingers. If I could bring in 30k or more a season then I could look closer into getting power.
There are always motions put forth, but until it is a law, I wouldn't give it another thought. The media blows this crap up too much. If they think something like this is doable by 2035, then they better get to work on better tech, and infrastructure. A lot of the new diesel engines put out cleaner air than they take in. They need Eric Cartman to get rid of the hippies. They say they want to save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad
Don't forget the cars they drive get bad gas mileage
Get rid of hippies? Then the good ole boys won't have much to gripe about, for the moment. It makes the world go around.
The people that are being called hippies now days just aren't the same type of people I saw and worked around in the sixties and seventies. No violence or hard crime in those early free loaders. Today you are looking at really hard drugs and loads of crime that gets regular people hurt of killed. You also have a bunch of women in politics who would rather feel sorry and spend other people's money for someone "down on their luck." Won't go view the problem or do anything real to solve it.
Very true.
Well one things for sure the the rest of the southwest has enjoyed the used equipment coming out of California due to there regulations it made for some killer deals
I have a salesman trying to sell me a crane right now from california. Its in great shape, but with the price they have on it, I can get equipment much closer to me for the same money. Salesman said it has to be out of california by the end of the year ( or that they can't run it there after the end of the year). So much of what I see from there has already had aftermarket emissions equipment added on, and I worry that either I won't be able to get support from the aftermarket guys, or that I can't pull it off and get it to run correctly in its "as built" configuration- I imagine most of the aftermarket systems required some ecm tuning.
Thanks to their idiot, loser parents.
I saw a garbage truck at auction than had a l10 Cummins mechanical with a aftermarket exhaust filter once. I bet that would have been easy to convert back to sanity.
You are 100% right on that. There were a few who tried that around here, the product failed miserably and they were able to punch it out and drive around with a letter to the Gestapo that they had special permission to do that since it was no good. The main thing was that they paid money, which the state often provided as a grant, remember if you pay money that makes it all better. But most of those trucks are long gone now, but the cranes and other low use equipment might still be hanging around. I can't imagine it would take more than removing the garbage and putting a muffler back, how could they possibly have vetted any proposed engine mods? Seems unlikely.
Not to say I would know of anyone performing Deletes but seems there are fewer repairs around here once machines reach end of warranty for those contraptions installed on all diesel machines. Several trucks I have been privy to see up close around these parts have no functional DEF or DPF Systems and no one in state official capacity is promoting forced EPA Compliance. School Bus company near to here was found having disabled nearly ALL of their devices by a inspector, could not stop them as is only a state employee so just ignored the issue. The buses were experiencing severe loss of service time and extensive tow requirements due to faults and derates.
Back to land values!! Locally around Hermann Proper most if not all single family dwellings are being bought up by people intent of cutting a fat hog, B&Bs or Guest Houses, Air BNBs etc. Low cost rentals for local workers have become non existent and moneys made by B&Bs are starting to slip away due to smothered market where have to discount to make sales. A few have gone receivership or to Courthouse steps on defaults as could not make bills they envisioned paid for by lucrative repetitive rentals that did not materialize. This inflation period are in is affecting entertainment value moneys, fewer are partaking of extravagance expenditures as have to make home bills and tourism falters. Lake Ozark and around Branson see the same issues with Small Business, here for a year or two, not making enough money so jack up sales price selling to next one gonna corner a niche market that does not happen. Can see this sending our local pricing to the trash bin if can even lure prospective buyers at all will be hard sales. Farm ground is currently holding but that tends to wax and wane over time too. Land north of here on the prairie farms is still going for over $12,000/acre. Hard to make money on a farm at that initial cost and eventual tax increases value.
Around here--it's the big money city dwellers, selling homes for stupid money there coming here putting up mc mansions, then investing in winery's. It just drives a wedge for people who have lived here for years. Property tax is high.
Winery's used to make really good money here, on Wine and associated small tidbit snack food, local cheese and sausage, crackers or chips. Then came the Rush. Dierbergs that own Hermanhoff also own Star Lane and Three Saints in CA, ship those back here to garner more sales. Have Stone Hill, Hermanhoff, Husmann, Puchta, Oak Glenn and Bias in the direct Hermann area, have five in Augusta, White Mule in Rosebud, several smaller shop specialty wineries in the five county local area. Is a family named Hoffmann out of Washington MO, bought up everything could get hands on in Augusta and the surrounding wineries, started buying up other companies in Washington to supplement needs in rebuilding Augusta as a Goto Site. Wineries are in OVER Abindance, prices down, having to play on Venue attractions, Specialty Drunk Night adventures and B&B Reservation groups to make bigger volume sales to which the money train is getting REALLY Thin. Add to that HAD a single Craft Brewery that used to do really well, now have three in twenty miles, then have four Craft Distillers in Same twenty miles, they are having a tough go of it. Everyone looking to snag a piece of the Pie and strike it rich are playing second seat to BIG OLD Money, hard to make a vineyard work over time, harder still to make consistent wine products to draw consumers, weather being the biggest issue as to flavor changes, root rot and fungal infections can wipe out a Vine Farm over a few months, destroying any chance of a Wine Product for at least two years. Grape Growers around St James MO sell their grape harvests to the wineries all across the state and fight the above issues. The wedge here is Heart Deep against Dierbergs, Hoffman's, we have ELS Rental out of Union that used to build Apartments and still does ELSEWHERE, that is cornering the B&B Market they think, where have damned near run off any chance to house help close in. The entire town is aging, population is getting really up there and looking to cash out so many are. They sell, eliminate much of their belongings and ship off to other digs LESS Touristy.
Wineries? https://wallawalla.org/wineries/#:~...=Known as one of the,of 2,900 acres of grapes .
Grape vines love volcanic soils Mo is packed with wineries, grape growers and distillers. Beer makers seem to be in every town!!
https://www.washingtonwine.org/fast-facts/
Too many, cuts each others throats as to income. For each new winery in MO one dies out, cannot sustain the levels of supply as only so many clients.
Highest percentage are hobby wineries funded by the rich, not interested in huge profits. Tax write off. Hob Knob wineries, Drew Bledsoe, Paul Allen and so on.
Same here as the people that own the major number of wineries live off investment incomes, most in the Billions. HAVE to delineate write offs and have their favored pastimes. Dierbergs own Hermann Farm, get massive grants for 'Educational Value', buy tons of stuff for the place and then write it all off. Hoffmans' are doing that in Augusta MO. Last estimate Dierbergs were worth over $12B, in their 80s and the properties all In Trust so kids cannot just sell them off.
Fack the wineries.
Exactly!!
Me Dierberg was a manager at First Bank here, would allow or even direct farms into loans could not afford, let them go default and buy for remnant of loan, supposedly bought over Three thousand acres around the county doing that. To me is a parasite and as much worthless.
First off not be allowed to discus the problem and burying heads in sand won't do a thing to help the problem. Second diesel engines can burn jet fuel just fine, and they also burn way less of it, than a jet will. Airlines do not pay the going rate for fuel, if they did all the planes would be grounded.
It doesn't matter the subject being discussed, emissions, ev's, property values, fuel costs, freight, people in power and those who aren't. From the person who has billions/lives in a 50 dollar home to the guy pushing a grocery cart living in a black plastic pallet shack. All about money--The one has more than he needs or can spend the other just wants enough to buy some food, smokes, alcohol and dope but wants that everyday. The common denominator is always money. The U.S. can't hardly take a breath without thinking about money and what it's going to cost. Controls our every thought.
A capitalist system is a meritocracy where those with work ethic, some intelligence, tolerance of risk and some luck will get ahead. Those without those qualities will be left behind. The problem with capitalism is that those left behind become a burden on everyone else and those that win the game believe that they owe nothing to the society that allowed for their success.
Have to accept Meritocracy, otherwise this old coot would not ever had amounted to much. As I had done well and survived, ANYONE can work hard and do as well.
A big part of the factor.
The harder I work the luckier I get.
For some-could fall in a pit full of **** and no matter what come out smelling like a rose, others still smell like **** no matter how hard they try.
I never discount luck in the formula for success. How many companies failed in the depressions we have had just in our lifetimes?
Most of luck is being ready and alert to the opportunity. In even the purest example of lucky success... no skill or work required, low risk... hitting the lottery... you have to buy a ticket.
Plus having inside information-right place right time or wrong place wrong time.
Manufacturers may just start making 20L gasoline engines for big trucks. Surely they could get the torque they need out of 20L! Getting 3 MPG out of a 'clean' gas motor has to be better than a diesel engine
Now THAT is Funny,
Yup....
"The Super Duty's new 7.3-liter V-8 will pump out 430 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 475 pounds-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm ." Maybe 15L would work, 2 of these!
Do the old Detroit trick and put them end to end and make it a v16
Has to be able to produce minimum of 500 hp 1850 torque at a steady 1,300 rpm.
Packard could start making the V12 27 litre engine again. Nice economical engine burning 100 gal an hour at full noise. Variants from 1500 - 2500 hp.
Still Prefer RR, Merlins!!!
Seen both Packards and Merlins in tractor pullers.
That's only/if Packard still existed.
Probably better to try and make work what there is.
Those old aircraft V-12's are idolized by many, cool yeah, okay for the job they were designed for. Even today using better materials they still have very short TBO's. And there is good reason for that.
Gas turbine running an electric drive....any toque you want.
Now you're back to diesel fuel again. Hey what engine did the Sherman tanks of WW2 use? I kinda remember a radial aircraft engine of some sort. Shermans were supposed to be reliable over the German Panther
Turbines were tried years ago. Chrysler spent 20 years on turbine power.
I thought only the m 18 had a radial not the sherman
A better photo-read the caption. This is a 1950 KW.
Big Gas Pot engines? Well here's a one off that Kenworth built with the rare three man cab. Powered by a 2182 cu.in. Hall Scott V12 Invader produced 600 plus hp. Couldn't afford the gas.
I think they did not run an electric drive. Smaller turbine, keep it buzzed up for efficiency, freq. drives on electric wheel motors would be better. Turbines have become more efficient from those days.
The reason land vehicle turbines never went much beyond the research stage is fuel consumption. Nowadays emissions would be a huge stumbling block as well, despite efficiency increases.
No...turbine can run on whatever you want.
For some reason the air-o-planes flying overhead seem to meet emissions.....
Turbines eat way too much fuel that's the problem.
Land vehicles have much different regulations to meet. the other part of factor of turbine engines and aircraft is that jet engines have much lower fuel consumption up in the flight levels than down here at ground level. It’s one of the reasons that airliners fly way up there.
And Turbines are a dog off the line.
Your not going to get everything you want, low emissions, plenty of power, low fuel consumption, Less complications, pick (2)
When coupled with a driveshaft.....what part of "electric drive" doo you not comprehend ?
Jets and turbines. Trains are way more efficient than any passenger jet. Yeah we all know the so called efficiency of a jet because of speed and lots of passengers. But then there is the issue of the fuel used. Just multiply all the flights per day, times the approx fuel quantity in the plane that is used. One site says about 45K flights per day not all airlines but a great majority are. Now how much fuel per plane? I'm guessing average fuel consumption on a 737 is a gallon a second. Just lots of fuel for important things like trucks and trains.
I comprehend the idea very well, studied them as were used for the last 45 years. It doesn't matter what a turbine is attached to {It eats too much fuel to accomplish it's mission}. That is the main reason the idea was dropped. But the one good thing about turbines in a vehicle [in winter the defrosters work rather well}
Jet fighters will use a 1/4 ton of fuel just for take off. There was helicopter that was giving rides for $25. It came from a town a few hours away by car. A truck also came with 45 gallon drums of fuel. I think it used 90 gallons in 2 or 2 1/2 hours. I'll see if I can find it from an older post.
New York state is losing it's mind too!! They don't listen to the electrical suppliers quoted later in the article that it cannot be done! Also it says this change will be more energy efficient. Heating a home in New York with a heat pump no way. https://buffalonews.com/business/lo...cle_7ecfb820-702e-11ed-b545-0fcb7e4e985f.html Starting in 2025, newly built homes in the state would not be allowed to install equipment powered by oil, natural gas or propane for heating, cooling and hot water. From 2030 onward, once owners of existing homes reach the point where they need to replace their fossil fuel-powered systems and appliances, they would need to install a zero-emission system instead.
Is there any truck engine right now that has 500 HP at 1300 rpm?
DD15
There was a milk hauler around here back in the seventies that had one of those experimental turbine engine trucks. Milk haulers are generally stop and go with plenty of idle at each stop. The usual truck back then ran 817 Detroits and got somewhere between 3 to 5 gallons per mile overall. The turbine I was told got less than 1 MPG. I have heard different stories in books and television programs about what fuel the Sherman tanks used. Some said diesel and some said gas and I suspect both the writers of the books and the television programs knew little of anything about engines. All said the German machines ran on some type of petrol which was either gas or alcohol. We have some museums here with the actual tanks so it is a question I'll have to ask next time I'm at one.
P2 and B36 aircraft had both jet and piston engines and all ran on gasoline.
The only comparison between gas and kero I can find is here.
CA passed that years ago, didn't they? Won't be a big deal in CA, not that big a deal in NY either. Not that many new buildings built, and it's easy enough to make a new building efficient enough to use a heat pump, ground source would work, air source will crash the grid, but not my problem... Will also backfire by reducing new construction and keeping old crap in use. Of course there will be exceptions for the rich, and the poor will just repair their gas furnaces forever, unless they institute a cash for clunkers, and put a hole in the heat exchanger, or fill them with concrete. Housing is easy with a little bit of effort, T Boone Pickens was right. Transportation is much more expensive to do without oil.
Air source heat pumps and/or mini splits are already economical here, even with high electricity prices, because propane is higher. Natural gas is cheaper but not everyone can get it. COP on heat pump is 3-4 because climate is not extreme.
Sherman tanks out of north America used gas and typically the Ford gaa engine, I think there was a contennial radial engine as well. There was a dual 671 tanks in north America for training, Canada still has one. I'd also like to see a Dyno sheet of a truck application diesel engine making 500 HP at 1300 rpm.
DD-16
Unless the gas is shut off.....
The problem with heat pumps in New York is the temperatures. Average temps are upper 30's in the winter. Sometime we won't break 32 for a month. Heating with electric heating strips would be crazy expensive.
What an odd graph, why couldn't they put the power numbers right on the lines instead of the middle? If I'm reading that right it's 500 at 1300. That thing has an impressive torque output under 1000 rpm! Do you have any of the N14 line of engines?
That engine has impressive output through its entire range.
Too old for me to bother with-The N14's never came close that. We have two of those DD16's, at 100,000 gvw climbing Cabbage 6 mles of 6% average speed is 46 mph at 1200 rpm. I have to constantly rotate drive tires , the right rear drive will go away pretty fast at 2050 torque.
Most mfrs have low temperature models that go sub zero F. Here is a chart that shows the COP down to some low temperatures, assume an initial COP of 3, I think.
Why the 600 HP engine in the first place? How does that help the company make money in the end? Driver retention? Is it not that expensive over 500 HP or whatever the standard offering is?
Added hill climbing speed and reduced delivery time weighed against fuel usage and drive train wear. I used to see the big horsepower on the low boy and hay hauler trucks some years ago. A few of independent log truckers would also occasionally shoot for big horsepower.
I'm just looking for dyno charts on the the N14, not related to this thread
Those are driven by two drivers that have been with the company 20 years. Plus both of those were ordered by another company that backed out. Mileage isn't any worse that the 7 2022 X15's--5.2 to 5.3. The X15's are rated at 530 hp.
https://barringtondieselclub.co.za/cummins/general/cummins-hose-power-and-torque-ratings-abby.pdf
Been awhile since I poured gas on your fire, John C, but this statement makes my blood pressure boil over. The more successful I get, the more I'm expected to pay, AND DO. The real problem in this country is not capitalism, it's far too many people for far too long have enjoyed what capitalism creates: Good times. And, good times create useless drains on society because they NEVER are taught what it means to work for something. In addition to this fact, we know have the internet so ALL these useless drains on society can all sit around and b!tch to each other and not ever figure it out. Us guys that have worked our ass off for 30-50 years are not the problem, and one day we are going to start fighting back. And it's NOT going to turn out well for the weak-assed leeches.
Four Production engines for the Shermans, only DD Twin as all diesel rest being Gas. As to Gasoline Turbines, takes considerable time to spool a Turbine up, then can use variable reduction drives to do all the work with engine at full spool. Turbines Prefer HIGH Altitudes, Less air requires Less Fuel to deliver same output, as Sea Level Suck fuel trying to spool up against Density of Air supply. Sherman engine comparison - YouTube
Was the main problem with Chryslers 1962 endeavor and finally terminated it in 1982.
Dad had a fun story of the Rolls Royce Pegasus in the AV-8 and 8B they were dealing with at McDonnell, Rotating nozzles directed Engine Exhaust pretty well into Tarmac, at takeoff Speed and thrust would melt and throw asphalt if present up to 100 feet away in mere seconds. At Lambert for roll out for test flights had a special pad poured so could release the hounds of the 25,000# of Turbine Thrust with NO Asphalt even close by!!! The AVERAGE GE 80mw Combustion Turbine eats similar cu ft of gas per second that a Fully Gas heated/water heat and cooking home uses IN A YEAR. Air Source Heat Pumps only good down to 40-45F, Closed Loop Water to ground Heat Exchange or Ground Source HP good to around -10 if buried 5-6' below frost line. Deep Wells exchange system in a decent water table can push to -25 before losing efficacy.
One other thing against turbines is they don't like stop start operations, it plays havoc with the blades. Back in the mid 70's Le Tourneau Westinghouse tried running turbines in 250 ton rock trucks at the Mt Hargan mine in New Guinea and it was a failure. So they went back to the tried and true DDs.. The turbines in the boats are out of time aviation engines and are relatively cheap horsepower and as always tinkerers get a few more neddies out of them.
Well for sng I looked up the Ford 7.3 gas and it makes around 125 hp at 1500 rpm. So let's put two together for a 14.6L v16 California utopian power train. So with any losses from putting them together we get 250 HP and 800 at 1500 rpm, but however since this is a gasser than can rev to 6000 rpm let's toss in a 2:1 reduction box in so we can use the 3000 rpm numbers for an equivalent 450 HP and 850 tq. We can only guess the fuel consumption but since it's California, it probably will get around 30-35 mpg loaded to 80,000 lbs.
Sherman tanks had a gasoline V-8 making 500 hp. The Ford GAA engine see here >>
Love that rumble! Wouldn't like to sit on that gas tank when blunt objects started flying.
Really severe duty engine, Ford over engineered that one. Then they built the "Y" block, Sheesh.
All this turbine talk for land vehicles. The only good thing I can see a turbine doing is melting the ice while your driving, and of course the airbleed heating the Cab or interior of the vehicle. They would work best for tanker trucks since they could pack enough fuel for the trip.
they did not call them "ronsons" for nothing.
CN railroad still uses turbines...they excell at thawing switches quickly. Ed
Since your thinking of thawing things, let's use a pulse jet
power to weight ratio and a very high Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) are the hallmarks of the gas turbine engine. The record for staying on the wing was a Rolls-Royce RB211 that went 40,000 hours before coming off for overhaul, over 9 years on a B-757. https://www.rolls-royce.com/product...ce/narrowbody-and-regional/rb211-535e4.aspx#/
A standard steam loco was said {it took 10 minutes to find the problem 2 days to fix it}. The steam turbine below was said {it took a day to find the problem and 8 to fix it}. Penn RR--S2 turbine 6-8-6.
Previous employer is hiring Ex-Nav Turbine crews, those are working a expanding CNG CTG lineup to reduce carbon footprint. Are adding several CTG sites very quietly across MO to offset then replace the old dirt burners. Cannot maintain MW production needs without them. One of the crew foremen lives near here, Son of one of the plant welders I worked around. His comments to a group of us old people is for every day of operation(24hrs) is half a day maintenance on the CTGs. Consume vast quantity of lube oils during runs. Fuel control/delivery mechanisms we would call injectors come out every thirty to forty days on a rotational basis due to high flow erosion. Turbines come down for inspect biennially and have blading replaced in the high pressure flame impingement section at least every four years when used steadily. Peaking stations can sit for months idle, they receive periodic but limited generally only emergency maintenance as have failures. New installs to be 120mw units with combined cycle heat recovery secondary steam turbines. Siemens supplied. Last site he was at has a 30” natural gas main line supply feed for four units.
That has to one big ass loco
TS, your picture is mislabeled. What you show is a 6-6-6-6. This is a 6-8-6 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Penn+RR--S2+turbine+6-8-6&t=newext&atb=v334-1&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https://i.pinimg.com/originals/42/ca/83/42ca83b97f689779ad4e09f854e20b74.jpg
Your correct, was waiting to see who would notice.
Flame thrower more fun
LOL! Not a bad photochop.
Pulse jet lasts longer and is louder
Every one is entitled to there opinion . I have 2 Y blocks i never owned a V8 flat head but to me the Y block wasnt a step up they were 4 steps up. The next engine ford built makes me wonder . It was a good truck engine for the time but how a mustang front end ever held a FE up is something?
I've never seen it put this way. I like it! Very true.
We are headed for hard times