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Another bridge bites the dust

DMiller ยท 2020-08-20 16:32

Not far from here another super trucker ignored load limit signage following GPS directions Aftermath spectacular https://abc17news.com/news/osage/20...ruck-from-site-of-westphalia-bridge-collapse/

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  1. #1Vetech632020-08-20 17:01

    WOW! I have had GPS directions send me on a wild goose chase a few times.

  2. #2petepilot2020-08-20 21:10

    oh well can`t win em all

  3. #3JPV2020-08-20 21:33

    You do something right and nobody remembers, you do something wrong and nobody forgets...

  4. #4kshansen2020-08-21 10:55

    Gee only four times the posted limit? You would think they would have a bit of margin of error figure in to those signs!

  5. #5Truck Shop2020-08-22 19:50

    If you do everything right your boss or anyone else has no leverage on you, have a slight disaster they get out the pry bar and go to work on you. And people like having leverage on others.

  6. #6kshansen2020-08-23 09:39

    Problem is too many places if you don't do what boss says they say they will hire someone else to do your job. One thing that ticked off many guys where I worked was when they would say our people were not qualified to do something and then they hired an outside crew to come in who had no safety training and let them work without following the rules our own people would get wrote up for not following!

  7. #7DMiller2020-08-23 09:52

    Similar at the Nuke KS, contractors would show up during Refuels, most would honor the company guidelines but safety would be miraculously absent around their work sites and hovering on the plant employees.

  8. #8Truck Shop2020-08-23 10:32

    The type of leverage i'm talking about is the boss/owner likes people who are in debt, pay crap wages knowing that person is going be there everyday. And some are starting to figure out some workers are not replaceable because they will have to hire two to do the same job.

  9. #9John C.2020-08-23 10:56

    Help wanted signs are out all over the Pugetopolis. Most all those signs though are for grunt work and hard manual labor. Tradesman can probably pick anyplace they want to work. Most employers have dropped the attitude and are trying to "you are part of our family" crap. I would hate to have to try to boss a crew. Here is a little bit of useful information. My video channel was put together as a training aid for people in the business. Ten percent of views are for people 18 -24 years old. Twenty seven percent are from 35 - 44 year old. and Sixty three percent are 25 - 34 years old. There is a whole generation of people 44 to 55 years old completely absent. To me, that represents the skilled tradesman area. Maybe they don't need the info or don't have the skills to access it. Or maybe our society just skipped a generation of people for training. What do you think?

  10. #10Truck Shop2020-08-23 12:58

    Yeah-you are part of our family/or a valuable team member-crap is right John. I would change that to 44 to 62, and most of those have been able to settle themselves out in a job that's steady. Most anyone from 40 down to 24 are job jumpers. I wouldn't include ages 18 to 24 because most are still trying to figure out how to open a beer can or bottle without using any energy. As far a the term tradesman goes that's a term you and I use and it's old school. The Term tech now that's a term that's way over used. A fancy term that's been applied to every job there is and still it defines no skill. Used to make people think they are more important at work with a low pay job. A tradesman covers the old school-cabinet builders, stem fitters, high steel, tool and die machinist, Mechanic-auto-truck-tractor-heavy. You were in the trade and stuck with it.

  11. #11DMiller2020-08-23 13:10

    Remember going back to that last job place before going nuke, had been gone for almost nine months, needed a seven way plug and some twenty feet of 7 cord. Guy behind the counter overwhelmed(Not a old Hand) seemed after I left there was a flurry of new hires, six to be exact and the day foreskin that had to take my place got angry as he as I could NOT manage to get 38 hours of chargeable hours up while running the shop and the owner asked if he was padding his free time. He quit in three weeks time from that butt chewing to open his own body shop. Of the three mechanics I managed one remained and NOT as a foreskin, wanted NOTHING to do with that politics game. Three had been hired on the floor and three had been hired as working foreman to which number three was about done(in less than three months). I knew my customers, knew the equipment, could write tickets in my sleep as they explained what the machines were doing, always managed to have them back on the road in no more than 24 hours for general repairs, less than a week for some serious stuff. Most had stopped using the garage within six months of my leaving as could not get decent repairs in decent time for decent expenses. One I know to this day still complains Harold(the Owner) charged him $28.47 to replace a tail light bulb that HE Put in, never could figure why so much, would take me at most 10 minutes including pulling the bulb, would tell them five bucks and throw the cash in the cash drawer with a Cash receipt for bulb and .1 hr charge, always good to the customers where they always returned for larger jobs.

  12. #12DMiller2020-08-23 13:30

    At the Nuke I hired/transferred as a "Utility Worker" basic premise Janitor and toilet cleaner, moved up to "Plant Helper" where could clean the toilets in the plant buildings not just the office structures and build scaffold. Then took a bid for Plant Equipment Operator as had passed the required level of tests to take that bid. Training Sucks for 16 months(as I completed my Qualification Cards) of a 18 month to two year(basis by the oversight enforcers) crash course on how NOT to antagonize a Nuclear Steam Plant. Was called a EO for years then to get the raise for being Tradesmen in our skill they Renamed the position as Operations Technician, actually got us next to nothing $$$ but more scrutiny and less ability to perform our jobs.

  13. #13kshansen2020-08-23 16:12

    I heard the last boss I had at the quarry had guys stop by and be looking for, well I say a paycheck as they sure didn't want a job! He would take them on a "tour" of the quarry pointing things out they would say "No thanks!" and leave. And this was a fairly "new" plant as 99.9% of it was built since 1968. I would have loved to see their faces if they could have see the old plant in the next town over where dad started and I spent a year working in 1969! That place I think was in operation at least as early as the 1920's. Often wish I could have had a video camera to document that place. Anyone familiar with bucket lines? Try shoveling spillage into a bucket line(elevator) with 30 inch wide buckets shooting past one every second or less, Oh and there was a short wall about 3 feet away from those buckets whizzing by you. And that was just the largest of the three at the bottom of that mill you had to keep clean! One good thing about that job was almost never had anyone come and bother you and there was an old shed under there where they stored spare V-belts you could hide in as long as the spillage piles weren't too big. Actually kept busy sorting out and winding up the belts for something to do at times! Had to do some digging but found a picture in an old book of mine of a small bucket elevator: Just picture that with 30 inch wide buckets zipping past you as you shoveled spillage in to those buckets, that looks like the small one just to the left of the 30 inch one so that added a bit more fun to the job! Worst time was when the 30 inch line stalled and the back-stop on it also failed so three stories of buckets can back down and left the stone for us to shovel by hand once it was running again. Skid-steers this was before anyone really knew what those were. Smallest thing they had was a 966B and that would hardly reach any of that stone.

  14. #14John C.2020-08-23 16:22

    The small coal mine I worked at had multiple bucket lines and a two or three flight conveyors. First job anyone did there was the picking table shoving rock into a chute. Large chunks of coal then went into a roll crusher and came out to a flight conveyor. Big rocks would come out of the feed hopper belt and fall onto the picking table where two men had to muscle them to the side where the rock chute was. Sometimes a real big one got stuck in the mouth of the feed hopper and you would have to bar it out and try to push it off the belt and onto the ground underneath. Most people had to be pretty hungry for a job to want to work there.

  15. #15Truck Shop2020-08-23 16:27

    Black Diamond?

  16. #16crane operator2020-08-23 16:30

    This was in october of 2018. 10 ton weight limit on this old bridge, that's just south of me a ways in arkansas. Fully loaded tour bus? I'm going to guess somewhere between 30-40,000lbs. 55 people x 200lbs plus empty chassis of 20-30,000? plus luggage? There were actually two buses and they both crossed.

  17. #17DMiller2020-08-23 18:13

    Been across that bridge a few times, Golden Gate of the Ozarks at Beaver AR. Scary to watch the idiots do that.

  18. #18John C.2020-08-23 19:35

    Yes

  19. #19Truck Shop2020-08-23 19:36

    And we don't need any new bridges or even fix the ones that need it.

  20. #20Truck Shop2020-08-23 19:52

    A little more info on that bridge.

  21. #21aighead2020-09-08 08:40

    Watching that bus cross that bridge I almost threw up a little! Yikes!

  22. #22_Weldman_2020-09-09 01:28

    Out here in western Washington state in "Pugetopolis" they revised the weight limit lower to current bridges out here last year. The one bridge going across the Elwha River from Port Angeles to Forks WA on Hwy 101 has monitors on it to see if it moves 3 centimeters since the pylons weren't put down to the bedrock and the river was once dammed up and now running wild, so now it's sinking. Now they are trying after over 100 years to replace the bridge one day, I cringe going across it even though it doesn't buckle on weight, not just from it possibly sinking but from any earthquake may strike at any moment. https://www.nps.gov/olym/learn/nature/elwha-ecosystem-restoration.htm

  23. #23Truck Shop2020-11-01 13:32
  24. #24Mother Deuce2020-11-01 13:57

    Almost made it. Didn't take like a year to machine those pieces that were destroyed?

  25. #25DMiller2020-11-01 15:07

    At times Two years with another year Lead Time. Coupling Failure, UGLY!!

  26. #26kshansen2020-11-03 12:33

    Just bend those bent fins back close it'll only vibrate a bit!

  27. #27crane operator2020-11-03 18:32

    Entergy nuke plant down in Arkansas, had a similar incident back in 2013. Temporary overhead built to handle 525 tons didn't perform as expected. One death and 8 others hurt. I found the engineering documents interesting. I've read numerous incidents, where one engineering firm designs something, another firm "oversees" the design, and I'm sure charges for it. Then something happens and the "overseeing" engineering firm is "well we didn't really look at the drawings" because "well, they are really complicated ". https://www.osha.gov/doc/engineering/pdf/2013_r_04.pdf

  28. #28DMiller2020-11-03 18:48

    The Bigge incident hit all the nukes safety programs hard, we had HOURS of semi productive discussions and classroom on what occurred. They used a tried but dangerous method to move the stator assembly from its nest in the building floor to a Railway access portal at grade. Our turbine was similar in that was 60' above grade so the condenser system beneath the turbine did not require being 50' underground. When these were constructed they used two turbine building cranes in tandem connection to install the Stators, after construction the cranes were DERATED to 2/3 original value and were not allowed to re rate back to as built nor operate in tandem thus the departure rigging. Ours were 220 Ton Posted Limit each. This from one to the other. The two large Gray Humps in the bottom of the photo was our Stator. Bottom Photo the 'Truck Bay' handrail has Blue FME Cloth on it.

  29. #29DMiller2020-11-03 18:52

    As a Side note, Turbine sitting to the right, final stage Blading is 14' Diameter, 154t assembly x 3 for the Low Pressure Turbine. Whiting Cranes.

  30. #30Tyler d4c2020-11-03 21:23

    There's a few of us pups out there dont lump me in with 99 percent of people my age please. Tho I am offen mistaken for being older. Makes me a bit mad in a way.

  31. #31DMiller2020-11-04 05:23

    Similarly we at the Nuke were called Plant Roving Equipment Operator, we adjust maneuvered, dialed on or off systems the control room had no remote controls of. We set Workman's protection and restored from repairs/protection while at power. So we were plant operators, the Maintenance goons Welders, Fitters, Electricians, Machinists(Tradesmen) were unhappy as we were getting the Same level of pay as their base(They got a premium for retaining Certs) where the Operations Staff was asking for a Raise due to our necessity to understand the Entire Plant not just certain aspects. The Company came in and renamed us all 'Technicians' where that fixed everything to them but changed no money values. Began the period they could no longer find adequate trainees to operate as we did, were individual, on our own recognizance, self directed using our minds not just the books. The plant is undergoing issues currently where those Techs now in the plant have to require a Supervisor to lead them by the hand to accomplish anything and is showing pretty badly.