You can go to http://www.belaztrucks.com/belaz-announces-450mt-truck/ and download the PDF and see the specifications of the truck. I thought the machine is going to be big but not that big... It is 20 meters long, 8.20 meters high and almost 10 meters wide. What struck me most was its empty weight -360 tons. ( 110 tons more than the previous model). What makes it unique is the 4x4 and 8 wheels it has. You can definitely pull anything with a 360 ton 4x4 truck... Even the biggest bulldozers are like 200 tons lighter than this. The truck is supposed to be assembled in 3 months time. The frame is ready you can see it here. The frame is 12 meters long, 2 meters high and 3 meters wide. It is so much more massive than Cat 797 frames which seem so slender compared to this one... Overall truck weight is 810 tons. Maximum speed 60 km/h. Engine volume is 130 liters (30% more than Cat 797F)
That's definitely a big rig! Looks like a true car squasher with all those dualies. I have driven the 797's and liked the mechanical drive aspect more so than the electric drive, but the B-450 with the proposed all wheel drive is really 4X4 action! Looking forward to seeing one in operation.
The one thing I don't understand is this : Wouldn't all this weight adding turn into diminishing returns at some point instead of efficiency(cost per ton)? I mean look at that truck... Its 110 tons heavier than a cat 797. Its total weight is 810 tons!!! Isn't the machine going to become much clumsier at this point? What about turning at 20 meters length of the machine? All of these add up and eventually we have a truck carrying 90 tons more but being 20% slower...
Especially since the 797 does close to 450 us tons already.
With the rising price of fuel it doest make sense to add over 100 tons of weight to haul 50 tons of payload thanks BIG D
Correction Well darn I meant to say 789's - 200 tonners. Never ran the 797's!
Well this is not the case actually. Cat 797f being able to carry 400 tons is true but it is also true that the belaz truck will be able to carry 500 tons or 520... What we speak here is official data and for cat 797f it says 360 tons while for the belaz 450. Machine overload is another story
Hi, dominikat12, i also except for this one BIG BOY and unfortunately there is almost no info in web about this truck. But anyway thanks for PDF specifications (i saw it already on russian heavy equipment forum), and can you attach please to your first post this official latest image of this truck.
Why i can't edit my message? Just wanna put here bigger one, here it is (why no tegs here?): [url]http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/374/68786738.jpg[/url]
+++ I agree with you!!! Don't you know any others trucks currently in development more than 363 metric tons?
Here is the model in the BELAZ factory museum: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3849/eqgh.jpg
Very nice view of the model. It looks so much bigger than the previous model... Also much more symmetrical and beautiful. Now we have to see how it performs.
A new workshop built special for this BOY. Truck presentation this september. From here (how to attach video?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xuqr2EpDVY
I hope those guys aren't standing right under that 100T hook as the photo appears to show... then again my experiences of Russian safety standards would suggest they'd happily walk under it (or a load slung from it) without a care in the world.
If you've ever been in a Manufacturing plant ie: a steel mill, or power plant for instance, workers are allowed to & do walk & work under hook blocks. A suspended load of ANY kind including rigging or spreader bars is a different matter altogether. They cant caution tape off a whole plant floor as the crane & trolley can cover the whole area thruout a day.
New pics of Belaz 75710 (450mt) from the experimental workshop. As you can see, here we have the frame section we have already seen (weight of 24.5 t), two axes with 4 wheels on each axle, and one of two uncolored fuel tank (2800L each). http://imageshack.us/a/img203/2564/2f6m.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img821/4455/5nr9.jpg
So this september we shall see this machine at the presentation.
Is there a true model of that truck?
Yes! Thats what we will see this september (but in other color).
Ok, here it is! http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7246/24bn.jpg
Monstrous!
Jewish are you purchasing one? Where is the first truck going?
i dont know, i'm communicate with some guy who works there (who gives me all this photos), but i can ask him
It's going to Kuzbass (Kemerovo, Russia), 4300 km from the Belaz factory (Zhodino, Belarus).
The body is slightly raised, it just installed after painting. Presentation of the truck will be approximately september 25. http://imageshack.us/a/img849/611/9n32.jpg
Look how small the tires look compared to the body of the truck. It is definitely much bigger than the previous model especially when it comes to height and length. The operator cabin seems so high in the air... After all it is a hundred and ten tons heavier (360 tons total) than the previous model. Now we only have to see how it performs.
Where is thing going?
Thanks for all the post Jewish, hope some of these come to the states. Id love to see them live
I think its time to start to do a bigger tires. But all the problems with transportation of the tires more than 4 m in diameter. It's going to Kuzbass (Kemerovo, Russia), 4300 km East from the Belaz factory (Zhodino, Belarus). You're welcome!
Now having this truck alive it will pass a long time before a bigger one is being made. The 400 ton class trucks lasted for like almost 10 years. Now it will probably be at least 5-6 or even 7 years until we see 600 ton or 650 ton truck. Probably Cat and Liebherr are going to make their own 500 ton class truck but still it will take a lot of time until a bigger one is created. And lets not forget that excavators must grow in size as well. We must also mention that this truck is an absolute beast! It is not only about the tonnage. It is 4x4 and this makes enormous difference and is a complete innovation in the huge dump truck class. All other smaller dumpers are 4x2.
This may have been posted before (apologies if it has) but does anyone else here think this truck resembles a large version of a Payhauler, and based on previous experience of said trucks in the past what chance of success do our readers think Belaz might have with a similar (but much larger) design..? One thing that as an engineer I picked straight up on was in the photo on the previous page that shows the fuel tank supports. They must be at least 1 metre long cantilevered off the truck chassis. How long are they going to last when subjected to the weight of a tank full of fuel and the impact of operations before they start to crack, or worse still crack the frame rails in that area..? I also think they are going to have serious problems with weight distribution in order to get a 50/50 front/rear axle weight split when the truck is loaded.
The fuel tanks were in the process of being placed. I really doubt that they are going to hang there... The picture was probably taken while they were being placed but who knows you might be right...
You may be correct but even if the tank was eventually going to be turned round 180 degrees so that instead of overhanging the supports as shown in the photos it was supposed to hang inside them I'm still not comfortable with the total suspended load multiplied by the length of the moment arm (the tank support). I still think it's either under-designed or badly designed.
Jewish might know better or we will see anyway in several weeks time when it will be presented.
Nige: You are right, It Does look like a massive 350 Payhauler! On the topic of tank supports, when I first saw them I thought they looked awful weenie (Small) as well. They don't even seem to be heavy enough for a triple 7. It almost looks like the trunnions are on the wrong side of the tank & then the base of the tank could fasten to the frame rails, but even still the top supports would still be an awfully long lever.
If my math is right those 2800L tanks will be holding in the neighborhood of 6,200 lbs. of fuel and this doesn't even count the weight of the tanks! That's a lot of torque when multiplied by the length of those arms. Plus add in the inertia of that weight when the truck hits a dip in the road at full speed. I'm no engineer but can appreciate the concerns of Nige.
The design (well the length of the arms) struck me as strange comparing them to every other type of truck I've ever seen. Normally fuel tank supports are pretty short, they stick out maybe 12-15" at most from the chassis. The tank structure has 2 stub shafts that sit in the supports and something like bearing caps to clamp them down from above. Lastly there is a lower mounting that bolts on to the inside wall of the tank. The tank itself then becomes the cantilever and it's not unknown for the larger size tanks to spring leaks after a few years of use, usually as a result of a cracked weld on one of the outermost seams.
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The design seems incredibly solid... The truck might be ugly but who cares... It is like a brick so robust.
A 360 ton 4x4 machine must have immense pulling power. I bet that with such a truck no one is going to use bulldozers for towing anymore... Even a 200 ton dozer won't stand a chance since the truck is almost twice the weight.
The box doesn't look to be very deep. It looks like its needs sideboards to carry 450T. Almost looks like the original 33-15 which had the boxes upsized shortly after they were released into the real world.
It will be able to carry 450 tons but the material must be solid...
In that case it won't carry 450 tons. My first impression on looking at the photos of it taken outside as opposed to the ones taken inside the factory was that it looked like a cardboard cutout.
Photo and video BELTA from first presentation 25.09.2013 BelAZ produced the world's largest dump truck load capacity of 450 tons (PHOTOS) VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prA6gw4y5gU
Looking at the tire bulge, the weight distribution when empty is very front heavy. Perhaps this is not a problem, but I am curious as to how it will handle when empty, and also curious how critical load distribution will be.
And looking at those latest photos it still looks like a cardboard cutout .............
The truck might not look beautiful and elegant but surely looks brutal! Look at its front it is so massive and with those dual 4 tires it looks like a mammoth machine. Almost like a landcruiser. 360 tons for empty vehicle weight makes it the world's heaviest vehicle on wheels. Only the excavators are heavier. It is a whole 100 tons heavier than a cat 797 which is like 40% more... Even if the other companies like CAT, Komatsu or liebherr build a bigger truck than their current it might not be bigger than this one.
Outside the countries of the Former Soviet Union I wonder who's going to be the first to buy one..?
Do the whole axles turn or just the wheels? How is its steering system constructed?
You might get a deal on twenty or so to try out Nige
More pics. http://www.zhodinonews.by/?p=29008
I'll pass on that one thanks very much, wouldn't have one if you paid me. Judging by the bias-ply Belshina tyres installed on the prototype I know the tyre fitters job will be a busy one .............. Back to my comments about Payhaulers a page or so ago. Effectively an identical layout for a 40/50-ton truck. They couldn't make that work so how come Belaz all of a sardine think they can make the same idea work on a truck 10 times the size beats me. See this thread - and note the comments ............. !
How do u know? Why do u think that on this Belaz-75710 installed R63 by Belshina? Here is installed Michelin tires R63 (4.03m diameter), and Belshina has now R57 maximum (3.57m diameter), and at the moment they just talking about starting produce R63 tires.
Looking at it out of my Line Borers eyes here. Have a look at the rear view and see how close together the body pivots are together and see the width of the tray body. I can see some serious twisting issues there
Ray, I think the comment was made previously that the frame appears to be very narrow in relation to its length. Jewish, Re tyres. Michelin knock-offs made in China maybe......... Can you supply a photo that shows Michelin on the sidewall..? because those tyres are not any Michelin tread pattern that is familiar to me for 63" rims. That, plus the fact that there appears to be very little sidewall flex, drew me to the conclusion that they were bias-ply. Try Googling Michelin XDR, XDR2 & XDS, because that's all that is available from Michelin for a 63" rim and those tyres in the photos, as they say, are "none of the above".
Omg, i can't even see that on the tires was something written.... anyway we will get alot of pics i hope in high-resolution from the tomorrow's exhibition.
They have sense of humor http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/1309/ea/69cca89f9ee4.jpg
How does the steering system of this truck work? I just can't see enough space for those tires to turn? Also I read that the rear axle is also turning? Do the whole axles turn or what?
Not sure about the steering but check this link to the first picture posted in the thread. Those two round rings at each end of the frame sure look like they are for a large bearing to pivot the axles on like the swing bearing of a crane.
View attachment 107219 And looking at the above picture the left front wheels are far back and the right fronts look to be way forward. So I 'm thinking the axles pivot and not just the ends by the hubs. Also if both axles are steering each one would have to turn less than if only one did. One question is who lifts up those ladders after the operator is in the truck? Or is there a jack of some kind to do it?
Of course the shovel operator will never load one side heavy and all the haul roads will be smooth as a pool table!
I know Luminant in Texas is looking at them. Belaz is attempting to break into the US market, there's quite a bit of interest from what I've heard. http://www.belaztrucks.com/
I never thought of that. problem solved then
The answer was in the thread all along. Look at the photo of the chassis on page 1 - apparently both axles will steer. All makes (some sort of) sense now.
RayF, question for a Lineborer. Do you ever worry that someone is going to convince a boss that grease is cheaper than pins, bearings and line-bore work?
360 ton empty vehicle weight and being 4x4 makes it the vehicle with most tugging power on land. It can definitely outpull a cat 797 in a tug of war match or even the biggest dozers. Probably the large excavators are the only ones which can beat such a machine
Yair . . . So basically this beast has a turntable front and back. Anyone like to discuss the design philosophy behind such a system . . . that's how we used to steer our billy carts. I find it surprising they went in at the deep end with an unconventional system on the largest truck, you would have thought it would have been proven up on smaller units . . . or perhaps it was and we don't know about it. Cheers.
I used to 25 year ago but I soon realised its never going to happen.
Yair . . . They will have done the calculations but my first thought was stability. Imagine an uphill cambered full lock turn . . . both sets of wheels on the inside of the turn move towards the centreline. It would be interesting to se a video of a couple of full lock circles, probably wouldn't even be noticeable although I recall Kurt Johansen had some issues with his first self steering road train trailers which had a similar set up. Cheers
heh thats my job
Your job is to convince bosses that proper maintenance should be considered an investment and not a cost? Good luck with that! Around here we are told that instead of repairing something before failure does not allow the company to get "full utilization" out of the part. If we question that idea we are told "You don't see the whole picture." I could go on but probably should start a new topic for that.
I'm no engineer or mining fleet analyst but I would have thought the large tare weight of this thing (extra fuel and tyre usage) would kill any production gains with the extra payload??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJk-2YmvK_c
I'm sure the gear we work on will continue to get bigger and better. Whether that truck works out remains to be seen.
I've ordered the sofa and popcorn. Should be a good fillum ........
Keep up the posts Jewish, at least its a lively discussion.
Can't wait until they start to disassemble it for transportation to Kemerovo (4300 km from the factory).
From Avatar movie http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6236/6343043837_b73db523de_b.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrf5HfIieVE
Part 1/2 http://www.abw.by/news/154643/
Part 2/2 Taken from 450 ton Belaz +Bonus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep2YdHBJlF4 Go here for GOOD quality photo: http://img.tyt.by/n/zamirovskiy/02/8/zam_tutby_phsl_belaz_17.jpg
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I've just created a new thread in english on skyscrapercity.com forum. BELAZ 75710 - World's largest Dump Truck
Ok, this truck left today to Kuzbass (Kemerovo, Russia), 4300 km east from the Belaz factory.
Is Kemerovo still the same ****-hole I worked in years ago..? My major impression of it was grey........and it got ferkin cold in winter. I don't envy the crew that has to assemble that truck in the field with a Siberian winter approaching fast.
Thats the reason, why Belaz send there trucks... there works strongest only.
Watch in HD! Belarus president rides on this truck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gFepN0sSw
The truck seems incredibly stable. The turning is also really fluid if you pay attention how the axle is turning it really is impressive.
Moar pics here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...new-dumper-truck-claiming-worlds-biggest.html
I wonder how thick its frame is. It definitely looks to be thicker than 1.2 meters it might even be 1.4 meters. Look how massive it looks. What do you think?
I think I'll believe it works when Belaz have sold 500+ units to mines world wide and their highest hour unit has 50,000+ operating hours on it combined with world-class availability (80+%). Not wanting to offend, but it's one thing to sell equipment in countries of the FSU (former Soviet Union) but entirely another to sell them to a market that insists on what might be classed as "higher standards". I have experience of Belaz equipment marketed in the UK a few years back in competition to established European brands. Their reliability was questionable, they spent most of the time broken down, and the customers who had purchased them as a cheap alternative to established brands like Mercedes, MAN, Magirus-Deutz, etc, eventually went back to their former suppliers. The UK dealer for Belaz no longer exists, in fact I think I'm correct in saying that there are no Belaz dealerships at all in Western Europe these days. As a final comment looking at the last photo Jewish posted above there is no way that body will hold 450 tonnes (unless the material is 3t/cu.m. loose density...........), there is not enough volume in it.
I was wondering about that too. The sides seem very low for one thing. Also what is the deal with the ribs on the inside of the box going crosswise? Seems like material would hang up and never come out. Or is the idea to build up a protective wear surface of material. We do something like that on some chutes in the quarry here to alow material to build up at the lower end to protect the steel of the chute.
It,s for grip on the tracks of the Chetra T40 dozers!!
A trailer of new dump truck Belaz 75710 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TvsHwGJR0
A few new pics from the Belaz Trucks Americas http://www.belaztrucks.com/belaz-unveils-worlds-largest-mining-truck/ Zhodino, Belarus On the 25th of September, BELAZ celebrated its 65th anniversary. The customers, dignitaries, suppliers and special guests witnessed the unveiling of three new products: a 90mt (100) electric drive truck, a remotely controlled 136mt (150) truck and the world’s largest capacity mining truck, the 450mt (500) model 75710. All three trucks were available for hands-on inspection and in-operation viewing at the BELAZ engineering test facility. The 75710 was designed at the request of long time BELAZ customers. Those customers operate trucks ranging in capacity from 130 to 360 metric tons. They demanded that the 75710 incorporate all of the design characteristics of their current trucks Excellent performance and reliability provide by high performance engines from leading manufacturers, AC electric drive systems and efficient body hoist systems Good maneuverability and superior ride comfort based on optimal integration of the truck and steering system and application of the innovative BELAZ designed pneumohydraulic suspension. Operator safety and comfort with a modern cab, hydrostatic steering, and a high-performance electrodynamic retarder. Long service life as a result of using advanced propulsion systems, latest technology components and assemblies and high strength materials in the frame and body. Through a combination of unique designs and engineering innovations, the BELAZ product development experts were able to incorporate the traditional BELAZ truck characteristics into a hauler capable of carrying 450 metric tons of material and operating in the same footprint as its 320mt and 360mt predecessors. The model 75710 is designed to present a compact profile, achieve a significant performance increase and meet world safety standards. Unique design features include: 450mt payload capacity by using 8 tires Excellent maneuverability by using two pivoted axles and BELAZ engineered steering kinematics. The turning radius of the 75710 is 19.8 meters. (Turning radius of a 360mt capacity truck is 17.2 meters) Perfect stability without sacrificing ride comfort due to use of anti-roll bar struts in the suspension system The ability to operate at or near rated capacity in high rolling resistance environments through the standard all-wheel drive configuration. Superior dumping performance with power enhanced hydraulic hoist drive Optimized fuel efficiency by operating only one of the two engines when the truck is not loaded. High performance, reliability and safe operation are provided by a “smart” AC electric drive system with electronic differentials and antiskid system Performance characteristics of the 450mt truck are impressive: The ability to climb protracted longitudinal grades to 14% and short slopes up to 18%. Maximum truck speed of 64km/h. Resistance to “bogging down” or reducing payloads is very wet or unstable soil conditions. 25% Productivity Gain : As a result of its innovative design and unique features the BelAZ-75710 is estimated to provide a productivity gain of 25% versus the largest capacity trucks currently in use. Discussions are being held with a number of customers to determine where the truck will make its debut in the dirt. Field trials are ready to begin. The sale of trucks will begin during 2014. The launce of the BELAZ – 75710 is the latest result of the sustainable implementation of the BELAZ corporate mission: Increased unit production capacity Reduced cost per ton of material hauled Increased automation of BELAZ mining equipment.
How was made Belaz 75710 http://vimeo.com/78334270
The first 450 ton truck will be delivered in the Kemerovo Region (Russia) in 2013, more two - in 2014. http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1283801/
Belaz-75710 lifted 503.5 metric tons!!! (or 555 short tons). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5hRDXHkfjI
How about a video of this truck actually on the job in a pit, I keep seeing all of these pictures and vids but none of it actually hauling some material in actual conditions.
How about a bit patience?
Here's the pics: http://auto.onliner.by/2014/01/23/belaz-9
Looks like it is still undergoing testing. I would like to see it once it makes it to a mine site, and hear how it compares with the other trucks.
How thick is the chassis? Do you think it is around 1 meter? It seems incredibly solid and thick
So would I. Allegedly the first machine has been on a mine site since October and yet there are still no photos or video available of it working. That compares markedly to the amount of photos/video of machines in the factory posted on the internet for the past year or so. I may be reading more into it than other people but to me that possibly spells out that things are not quite going as planned. Having been to Kemerovo (where the first machine has gone) before the winter weather there is brutal (down to -45 and below) so maybe there have been difficulties with assembly caused by weather conditions. Either way, no-one's telling.
well in -45 that steel is going to be brittle as all heck. I wish them luck with it, they are going to need it.
I'm not sure how the russian steel is, but cat, komatsu, liebherr, and terex/unit rig/cat, seem to survive the oilsands okay. And it gets to -40 and below there frequently in the winter months. You could tell when it was getting cold by the number of D11s with broken e bars coming to the shop, but I never saw much cold induced breakage on the trucks, not to say it never happened though.
I was referring to temperatures that would go down to -45 Celsius (-50 F for our US viewers) pretty much on a daily basis during the depths of winter BTW .......
So was Ben.....LOL.
Brian knows the cold better than me!
I disagree. The added length of that body will most certainly hold the 450 tonne payload they claim. With material weighing in at 1.8 t/m, you can get over 500 tons on a 797 with relative ease. Moving to some of our heavier material, at 2.1 t/m, you can get up around 600 tons into a 97 (I'm not recommending it, but it can be done). While the box is shallower, it is also considerably longer, so stacking up the material to reach weight shouldn't be an issue. You might want to check into the make of tires on that truck. I checked around until I could find a shot of the sidewall with the name on it, and it says Bridgestone. I have no idea if they are bias or radial, but they are not Belshina.
Brian, if that photo in post #111 is really 500 tonnes of what I assume are steel test weights, then with steel having a density of around 8t/cu.m. how much more volume would 450 tonnes of dirt be..? Even if they are boxes of steel punchings which would come in at somewhere around 5-6t/cu.m. they still seem to take up an awful lot of space in the body. I still think that body is a tad on the small side.
If you look through the pictures of them loading the test weights, they appear to be steel boxes filled with concrete. Concrete averages about 2.4 t/m, so the weights don't seem to be nearly as heavy as you are guessing. I still maintain the box appears to be big enough to load the rated 450 tonnes/500 tons into. Bear in mind, the weight are also sitting on top of blocking, and those cross ribs in the box, so there is likely somewhere around half a meter of space under the weights that is making them sit up higher, and appear to fill the box more.
Assembling..
On working!!!
That seems to be a pretty good looking truck, from this angle. The dreary background makes it stand out even more. Any news on its performance? Thoughts on building more? That looks like a good sized load in it. Have the capacity arguments been settled? Thanks for the update.
Can anyone read the numbers on the display on the side..? That's supposed to read what the payload is.
477?
Has Belaz made any progress in the US?
My guess is 479, pretty fuzzy...
My guess is 473 or 478. Wonder if that is US tons or long tonnes?
Long tons, nobody uses short tons, LOL
I would think it would be metric tonnes (1000kg). I thought USA uses short tons (2000lb), not long tons (2240lb).
I simply can't imagine what tugging power a 360 ton empty machine which is 4x4 and has 8 big wheels would have .
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8VvfmArIk
Very nice (english) corporate video featuring the 75710 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTzZSpq2Rk
The truck is officially under exploitation in Kuzbass Rusia now. Seeing how it works is truly impressive. The machine is 50% heavier than the previous 360 ton model still it seems to run smoothly. Belaz have claimed that as soon as they see bigger excavators they will produce a 550 ton truck. I guess such a truck is only possible with 3 axles. It won't be at least 15 - 20 years until we see such a truck (550 ton) if we are going to see one at all... Check the truck and how it works here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGsEbeXm3I&feature=youtu.be
Belaz 75710 costs $7.5 mln.
What would you use for a wheel chock, an old Yugo? Thats some truck -
I think a Yugo would just get stuck between the duals! LOL
Three comments: Terex Titan. ETF whatever it was. Now this... CAT 797 still rules the roost.
Unless you're a fan of the Dark Side in which case your answer would be "930E" ............. Either way when they've sold 100+ units outside the countries of the FSU then maybe they can consider it a success.
BTW, judging from the video, Belaz are ready to create a dump load capacity of 550-560 tons (such a development is already available), but the problem is that there is not as large excavator, which can effectively load this truck. And the development of the excavator with double the volume of the bucket has already begun. In the meantime, Belarusians will supply 75710 as long as necessary.
A bit old, but still good pics (assembling at Kuzbass)
The steel used for the chassis is SSAB Weldox 700 E in 110mm thickness. Toughness @ -60 C is at least 40J (Hence the E). Norwegian Offshore approved grade, the only in the world so far with a yield strength of 700MPa, moreso in such thickness. Manufactured in Oxelösund, Sweden, out of iron ore pellets by LKAB, Kiruna Sweden. Vacuum Tank Degassing temperature and rolled in the most powerful rolling mill in the world, 100.000 T. Quenched by 12.000 m3 of water/hour. There is no other way to produce that grade and so far it is only produced there. The tipper is made of Hardox 450.
Good luck trying to weld a chassis crack in that stuff at ambient temperatures well below zero then........
Weldox is called like that because it is the most weldable thing around and the welds have a high toughness too if well performed. CET value is well below 0,3 Anyway, welding on a chassis is never a good idea. Fatigue is going to kill the truck. This thing has a good FoS. I can't see why it should crack.
Can I ask if your background is the steel industry or heavy equipment maintenace..?
I'm a mechanical engineer working in heavy transport design. I have previous experience in the steel industry as an application engineer, my task was basically advising customers on how to apply steel and which grade in their heavy equipment.
Official photos of third model of the 450-ton Belaz-75710
Today's photo of the 450-ton Belaz truck This is the 3rd model, as you can see still there since last year. Second model probably gone to the customer. If so, that's could be or Canada, or Chile, or Peru (my insider info, I'm in touch with Belaz Chief Design Engineer since last year).
Okay, I've got an answer from Belaz Chief Design Engineer (translated from Russian): No, the second and third copies are still in the factory. The delivery conditions to Peru are being negotiated.
I just have to wonder about product support for one of these if it has taken this long to get to the point of having one delivered to a job site. Hope they at the least start them up and work them a bit to get up to temperature once in a while. In my opinion a machine can suffer more damage from sitting than from working in many cases.
If the Peruvians have any sense they'll run a mile....... When Belaz have sold at least 3-400 units of this mpodel alone and have them working all over the globe maybe the mining industry might take them seriously. Until then they remain nothing more than an interesting anachronism.
This is the 4th 450-ton Belaz under assembly. It is not 75710 anymore, but 75711 with the new Russian-made electric drive (instead of Siemens).
Four trucks in seven years. An impressive production rate. Meantime the major manufacturers like Cat, Komatsu, & Liebherr probably produce that number every month. With a bit of luck Belaz might hit double figures by the end of the century, but I’m not betting in it.
Didn't know Cat, Komatsu, & Liebherr are producing 450-ton trucks
All the mentioned manufacturers are producing what's known as ultra-class trucks (350+ tons), which is the same category as the Belaz offering. When Belaz hjave multiple 50-truck fleets of this model working all over the world maybe it will be somewhat of an event. I'm not holding my breath of it ever happening though.
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Why on earth should I do that.? I'm having far too much fun.........
Lol okay then
If they were a good truck they'd be in the oilsands in Alberta. That's where the largest loading shovels are. I think Syncrude has the largest fleet of 797's in the world. They helped develop the O&K RH400 and there have been even larger hyd. excavators since then. Why aren't the existing Belaz trucks at least doing some field trials on job sites? Seems like just a group with a lot of money experimenting?
I'm also thinking of the major iron ore & copper mines of Latin America & Australia. Most shovels there are the rope type (P&H 4100XPC or Cat 7495) that will load a Cat 797F/Kom 980E/Liebherr T284 in 3 passes. Their orders for ultra class trucks are usually in multiples of 10 units at a time, not because that's the quantity they need but more the limit of what can be assembled on site in one go.
There's quite a few electric rope shovels in the oilsands too. It seems really odd they made 4 of these trucks and haven't tested them in real world conditions yet. What looks good on paper doesn't necessarily mean it will work in the real world. Normally they'd build a prototype and start testing it to determine what worked and what needed improvement. I also agree the extra empty weight could totally defeat the benefits of the larger payload.
A few more pics of the fourth 450-ton Belaz truck assembly with the index 75711 (taken on 05/22/2020). In the first photo I pointed the main visual difference from the first three copies.
75711 is outside waiting for the body to be installed
Ok, now I've been seeing the posts about this truck since early 2009 and now it's 2020 and I don't recall seeing anything about seeing them actually working someplace in a day to day operation. Seems like the tires are going to dry-rot off the rims before they start to show signs of wear. Just hope someone is running the engines enough to get up to operating temps to keep them from rusting up inside from condensation. We had problems with equipment just sitting over the winter here in NY so I can not imagine the problems an eleven year old truck is going to have if ever put to work!
Not to worry, the body on 75711 will be installed by 2024.
With any luck these trucks will go straight to a museum without getting dirty! It would save a lot on the restoration work!
Is there a Tier 4 Emission’s offering yet ?
The first model The tires
Okay then it looks like they actually got one to some place to possibly work it. Guess now they could see about finding someone who can load it without smashing into the side of the box!
The body is dirty the rest of the truck looks squeaky clean
I suppose because this dump truck is so big it can be spotted moving stirring up a cloud of dirt while standing on the moon. Can someone explain when equipment is just too big. The cost of building and maintaining has got to hit the wall sometime, or it just becomes stupid or It's a Cog's Worth Cog's type of scenario. I can just hear the chairman of the board at the golf coarse on Saturday morning tee off {Men you won't believe it till you see it, It's absolutely amazingly gargantuan It will haul 2000 ton's at a time and can be seen from Mars, We will make billions}.
Everything being so big to work on was one of the issues with the Big Muskie dragline. Needed a crane for just about any repair. It's really sad they scrapped it though. 14,000 tons of awesome earthmover.
Considering how big the shovels are, I think if the truck was reliable they would run them in many places. Getting it there isn't really a big deal considering they run equipment in some cases 50,000+ hours the cost is minor. I think it all comes down to if it makes moving a yard of material cheaper. Even a 800 hoe is so big you need a crane to do anything, so if it requires a bigger crane not much different. Just me though or does that box look tiny for how big the truck is, doesn't look like it would haul much?
I managed to get in touch with the driver of 75710, he says due to a decrease in production volumes, all ultra-high-capacity trucks (360 tons, including his 450-ton one) have been mothballed for a year already, and how long this will last is unknown.
I just found out that the total life of the trucks where I am right now has been increased to 150k hours from the 120k hours it that was originally set it at about 10 years ago.
What is the expected hours they are hoping to work those trucks in a years time? I know they are not going to be run just 40/50 hours a week then be parked for around 4 months due to snow like many of the machines at the quarry where I retired from five years back! In some cases running a machine close to 24/7 can be easier on it than what our machines had to deal with, no cold starts every morning or condensation on cylinder liners from sitting for a a few months over the winter.
Our estimate is/was 7000 hours/yr.
That's about what I would have guessed, need some time off to fuel and do basic things like change oils, filters or tires.
That's crazy, did not think they would last that long. Amazing things like the frame will last that long.
Some of the big electric shovels and draglines go well over 100,000 hours and are on the job for 30 years or more. Some of the longest running shovels/draglines moved more than 3/4 of a million yards of material.
Much, much more than that. My shovel moves about 16 million yards a year. It’s also sitting at around 137,000 hours.
It would be interesting to know how many hours were on the Silver Spade (last operating stripping shovel) before it finally wore out. Sad they scrapped it as it was in the process of digging itself out of the cut for display. If below is correct the Silver Spade must have the record for most overburden removed by a single bucket, 607,226,370 cubic yds. Somehow I think there's 3 extra digits but maybe not after 40 years. The Silver Spade's final production day was April 3, 2006. After that, she proceeded to climb out of the final pit and head for a designated resting place. But before she arrived, a breakdown occurred on April 10 leaving the shovel dead in her tracks and marking the end of an era. She had served her owners well during her active life, moving a total of 607,226,370 cubic yards of overburden. The Spade's final fate is unknown at the time of writing, but a local preservation group wants to see the shovel preserved as a tourist attraction.
Frames can be refurbished to a certain extent, provided it’s cost-effective. The oldest trucks are coming up to 80k hours and when they get overhauled the next time a frame refurb will be on the cards.
they probably just need to reseal the swivel
19 of the 100 rollers for the swing frame popped out from being worn out and apparently would have cost over a million $$$ to repair. Also coming out of the pit was in a bad location to do the repair. The $700,000 scrap value was raised but the owners of the shovel wanted another 1.6 million for the land and for reclamation of the site for a museum. Would have been nice to save it and Big Muskie. They will never be replaced.
75710 + 75710 + 75711 (still waiting for the body to be installed) in one place, pics taken today.
There was only 1 Terex Titan but it actually moved a lot of material working at an actual mine and it wasn't babied. It was the largest truck in the world for years with 350 ton capacity. They said continual overloading in the 450-500 ton range was what caused major cracking in the differential housing. It never went into production because of bad timing after it came out. It's way past the time for Belaz to have put some trucks on an actual jobsite. They appear to be just throwing gobs of money away on something that will never become a reality.
"will never become a reality"
Will never become a reality as in will never be put into production. How many years has it been since they started on this?
Open your eyes, they are already in production. You better tell me how many 400+ ton trucks has CAT, Liebherr or Komatsu? Zero. They will never reach Belaz's level. Losers and outsiders. Belaz always had most bold ideas.
So how many have been built and in what time frame? How many have actually been sold? Cat, Liebherr and Komatsu have actually sold hundreds if not thousands of 400 ton class trucks that are used all over the world. Name one mine site that has a fleet of more than 2 operating Belaz trucks running 24/7? In terms of tons of material moved in mining trucks, mentioning Belaz is more likely to have crickets chirping. Bold ideas that never materialize to more than the prototype stage are just that... bold idea's. Until there proven on several job sites they're just pipe dreams. Just like earthing moving equipment for loading, a bigger bucket doesn't necessarily mean higher production. In the case of a truck there are several determining factors. As an example carrying 50 more tons but having to travel 5-10 MPH slower would have less daily/weekly production than carrying a slightly smaller payload at a higher speed. What is the fuel consumption per ton of material moved? Other things to consider are component life and tire life. Maintenance and repair parts availability is also very important for such a large machine.
Your talks vs facts
Okay, seen a few pictures of a truck but how about a picture showing a small fleet of them? Just thinking the bare minimum number of trucks that size needed to keep any operation functioning would be half a dozen. Just assuming one will be down for an oil change and fueling now and then. So if there was only two the whole operation of the plant would be put on hold waiting for the next truck several times a day. And what happens to the operation if one truck needs a major servicing and another has a flat tire? I'm sure Nige would have a better grasp on the details of this nature. At the comparatively small operation where I worked we usually had three 35-45 ton trucks hauling to the primary crusher and one old 35 ton for a spare if needed when something was wrong with the main truck. Also we were only running five ten hour days most of the time so that gave us some off production time to do repairs when needed.
The facts are Belaz has a long way to go to be taken seriously in the mining world. Have they even done any long term evaluations on reliability and component life? Have they even put 10 or 20,000 hours on a truck? What is the expected life span of the trucks, what is the cost per ton to move material with the trucks. How does it compare to other brands? Cat, Liebherr and Komatsu know all these answers for their trucks.
From last month
What’s that.? A cardboard cutout.? Simple question. How many of these dinosaurs are actually working in operating mine sites rather than being Belaz promotional machines so that videos can be uploaded to YouTube showing them “working”.? Tomorrow I will be on a mine site that has a (relatively) small fleet of just under 50 units. Has Belaz sold a fleet of that quantity yet.?
I usually don't like to spend my time on trolls, I just want to say that every 3rd mining truck in the world is the Belaz truck. Don't believe me? Internet is open, go ahead.
Who are you calling trolls? We're just going by facts and asking questions that you don't seem to be able to answer. That doesn't make us trolls. So why isn't Belaz flooded with large orders for these 450 ton trucks if they're so superior to other trucks on the market? They were introduced in 2013. 7 years later and how many have been produced, 3? Seems like a lot of time and money was spent on developing a truck the world doesn't want. Lack of orders confirms this. What mine sites are using large fleets (10 or more) of Belaz trucks?
Let me just leave it here.
Also, visit these two links: http://belaz.by/en/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BelAZ Not gonna waste my time on you guys, have a good night.
We get they make large dump trucks and may have decent sales in Russia and the Ukraine. This thread was originally about the 450 ton truck. Why can't you answer a simple question, How many 450 ton trucks have they sold since being introduced in 2013? Why aren't trials being conducted on the largest mines in the world? I'm sure sites like Syncrude would be very interested in higher capacity trucks.
Until now Belaz produced four 450-ton trucks, one sold to Russia, all the rest are still on the factory, the delivery conditions to Peru are being negotiated.
In that case I'm sure you will update the results of the potential sale to Peru.
Lol I always trying to bring here the freshest insider information, I'm in touch with the Belaz chief designer, Belaz factory workers and even the 75710 driver (yeah, that the only one 450-ton in Russia), but for now I only face a flurry of criticism and discontent here. For Belaz this project is very important and I HOPE that they will succeed in it.
I appreciate the updates, I had never heard of Belaz before this thread. Interesting truck for sure!
Dave, I'm not sure you understand how big of a company Belaz really is. They have hundreds, if not thousands of trucks out there in mines around the world. They have been slow on developing the 450tonner, but they have many other models in production and use in many mines.
This thread was/is about the 450 ton truck and to say development is slow is an understatement.
Do you have any latest official numbers or you just have no idea what are you talking about?
4 trucks in 7 years and only one sold according to you. That's slow in my book. Now if they had 4 trucks undergoing testing and evaluations at mine sites would be a logical step in the development process but that isn't happening. One truck at one mine and 3 other trucks idle at the factory isn't vey promising. How many hours are on the first truck? How is it as far as reliability and availability? It may be a great truck but there doesn't seem to be much demand or interest in it. I would think they'd want to be getting some orders for them after all the money spent on development. It wouldn't be the first (biggest and baddest) machine to seem like a great idea but turn out there wasn't much interest in it. Michigan 675 comes to mind but they did sell 14 of them and bought back 2 to upgrade to C models. They sold a lot of the smaller 475 models.
Still, 450-ton trucks: CAT 0 Liebherr 0 Komatsu 0 Belaz 4
On job sites...1 Belaz 450 ton in 7 years. 400 ton class from Cat, Liebherr and komatsu... thousands. Like I said the Belaz 450 ton may be a great truck but it's sure not being reflected in orders for them.
You are talking about short tons, and Belaz is 450 metric tons (which is 496 short tons)
So, Belaz also has thousands of "400 short ton trucks", just stop underestimating it already.
Bottom line is the 450 ton truck is not selling. Bucyrus Erie designed a 250yd. stripping shovel on 8 crawlers but there wasn't enough interest so they never built one. Belaz designed and built a 450 ton truck but after 7 years have only sold one. What am I underestimating?
Keep pretend to be a fool, just like I said you are troll
Gosh how can I block this person? I don't wanna waste my time anymore on this bs troll Upd. Oh there is ignore option, nice
I'm a troll because I question if the mining world wants a 450 ton truck from Belaz or anyone else for that matter? I'm sure Cat, Liebherr and Komatsu have done extensive studies to see what size of trucks the market wants. There would be a lot of factors to consider.
Well Jewish I find your posts interesting. Like you say there are lots of manufactures in other countries (ie China) who produce more equipment than half the ones we know of North America combined and the majority have never heard of them. If a company can build a machine that fills the need in their market then that’s great. Not every country needs a haul truck with a tier 4 engine, hyd boarding ladders, autonomous ready, lights that flash when you don’t buckle your seat belt, 6 coffee cup holders and an IPhone charger ! Now I don’t think the Cat engineers are losing sleep over this 450 T offering but that was not its purpose. If it can be produced and sold into its niche market then good on it. If we all thought the same the world would be a boring place. If any of the big haul truck manufactures walked around this one I’m sure they would find a new idea or take away.
Not really, ground conditions are not conducive to heavier trucks. Couple that with the fact that shovels to match the higher payload rating of the trucks efficiently are not currently available, and the oilsands will most likely be happy sticking with what they have now.
Those are likely some of the reasons why Cat and others aren't producing a larger truck. Kind of the same reasons Cat never tried to make a similar dozer to a Komatsu 575. I know the loading shovels in the oilsands are fitted with special extra wide shoes.
In a hard rock mine, the ground conditions wouldn't be an issue, and they make larger shovels than they use in the oilsands for solid ground conditions. But the biggest issue, is the dead mining market. Also, there's a whole lot more differences to standard shovels, than just the wide pads on the oilsands machines.
The largest hydraulic shovels are in the oilsands. They also have some of the largest electric shovels. There are some bigger shovels like the P&H 5700XPA but only a few were produced. Syncrude helped develop the O&K RH400 which was the largest hyd. shovel at the time. There have been even larger hyd. shovels since that are in the electric shovel range as far as capacity. -40 operating conditions are a major consideration for shovels working in the oilsands. Oilsands is also extremely abrasive. I worked in a shop that made the chromium carbide overlaid pipe for the oilsands slurry at Syncrude. Making spare pipe just for Syncrude kept them busy. There's a few other companies doing the overlay pipe now. I read a few years ago that the largest concentration of mining machines in the world is at Syncrude. I believe they have the largest fleet of Cat 797's in the world. They used to make a million profit a day but I bet that's down with current state of affairs.
There are examples of the largest hydraulic shovels all over the world now, not just in the oilsands. But the rope shovels are still larger. They have two sizes smaller than the largest currently available rope shovels. Komatsu has two models larger than what is available for the oilsands, and Cat has one size larger. Cat claims the oilsands version has the same capacity as their largest shovels, but it in fact is smaller in it's weight rating for the amount it loads. The largest concentration of mining equipment is in the oilsands, but not at Syncrude. Syncrude has two mines, while there are 7 other mines in the region. Again, the same proves true for the 797 population. The region hosts the largest population, but not Syncrude.
Syncrude was/is the largest oilsands operation. Not sure if a bunch of others have been combined. The largest hyd. shovels may operate in other parts of the world but they were originally designed and used in the oilsands. The 797 was designed with the oilsands in mind and that's where the first one went. Was reading it was still operating in 2018 with more than 130,000 hours on it. Curious how many hours are on the Belaz 450 ton truck and what the expected life is? I have stated the Belaz could be a great truck but after 7 years why are there no orders for it? I think that's a reasonable question and doesn't make me a troll for asking.
Your information is very dated. Syncrude has been surpassed quite some time ago as the largest. I would know, I've worked there for 16 years. As I said before, the severe downturn in the mining industry over the past several years would play a very large roll in why there is no demand for a 450 tonne truck right now. Incidentally, it's 450 tonnes, not tons. It would be just under 500 tons. Another thing to consider, is since there is currently no perfect match for loading tools, it's not as efficient to run bigger trucks. If you went to bigger trucks, you would need bigger shop space to fit them in, something we had to go to with the 797s and Liebherrs. Your roads would have to be widened, your dump dozers would have to be increased in numbers or in size. There are many factors as to why there is no current need for larger trucks, but most of the reasons centre around the fact that mining is in a slump, and has not picked up to former levels of material demand. Once you see the world economy picking up, and mining moves to the next boom cycle, you will most likely see an increase in equipment size. But at the same time, an increase in automation. Automation is where current cost savings are being found. So it factors into why a larger truck is not currently in demand. Have I answered your reasonable question? It's not the question that is making you appear aggressive to others, it's the apparent attack on a certain company. I have no horse in this race, and couldn't honestly care less if the truck is a smashing success or an abysmal failure. It's an interesting concept, and they are slowly working at it, which is neat to see.
I never said it wasn't an interesting design or wasn't a good truck. All the factors you mentioned such as needing larger shovels to match its capacity and better roads play a part as does a down turn in mining. Cat did an extensive analysis on this and that's why they haven't produced a larger truck. Maybe Belaz should have done more research on if a larger truck was right for the market at the time or in the near future. Building the worlds largest truck is a remarkable achievement but if there is limited interest in it kind of defeats its purpose. I think Jewish is taking it a little too personally. It's possible it's ahead of its time. All I can go by is that in 7 years only 1 truck is working in a mine. I think everyone is hoping the worlds economy improves. I don't know if automation is the answer. Syncrude has tried everything from bucket wheels to draglines and long conveyor belts and concluded shovels and trucks is the most efficient way to move the material in their mines. Syncrude was the worlds largest producer of oilsands crude and had the largest mine in the world for many years and is still near the top in terms of production. They are the largest single holder of oilsands leases in the Fort McMurray area. Several of the worlds largest mining machines were developed for the oilsands and started life at Syncrude. As I said previously Syncrude helped develop the RH400 and took delivery of the first 797.
Syncrude is far from being close to the top, in fact, of the four companies that have active mines, they are third on the list. Suncor is the largest holder of oilsands leases, not Syncrude. Again, I'm not sure the source of the info you are posting as fact, but it is incorrect. Incidentally, the change to truck and shovel were due to changes in the ore body, not that they were a more efficient setup. Yes, Syncrude was instrumental in the development of the RH400, but strange thing, they no longer have any operating. I'm not really sure what any of this has to do with the Belaz 450 tonne truck though...........
From the Gov't. of Canada website. Syncrude may not be the largest energy company but produced the most oil in 2019. Actually Koch Bros. had the most oilsands leases. https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-dat...a-analysis/energy-facts/crude-oil-facts/20064 Several of the largest mining machines in the world were developed with the oilsands in mine. The RH400 has been surpassed by even larger shovels but several were sold in the oilsands. Originally produced by O&K but sold to Terex may be one of the reasons they aren't used anymore. Why don't you see other Belaz trucks in the oilsands? There's surely a market for large trucks in the oilsands. I think if the oilsands can support 797's they can likely support larger trucks. The Belaz 450 tonne truck is a great achievement but at this stage hasn't been successful in procuring orders. Maybe a result of bad timing or a slow market but regardless of the reason there currently isn't a lot of interest in it. Maybe it's ahead of it's time. It could be similar to the Segway. Touted as the next latest greatest hi-tech invention but never became a commercial success. Doesn't mean it isn't a good machine or very capable. The market just isn't wanting it at this time. It would be fantastic to hear they secured orders for a dozen trucks. I don't know how long they are willing to wait for that to happen. Still don't know why it makes me a troll for questioning if the world is ready for a 450 tonne truck???
Good point, it made me think of the Concorde and the Tupolev Tu-144. While they may have been great feats of engineering they just were not able to overcome the various problems they faced. If you want to read about them try this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_transport
The Condorde was an amazing feat of engineering. Chief consultant was Jim Floyd who was the head of engineering for the Avro Arrow. The Avro Arrow was killed by the gov't. but that's another story. I think fuel consumption was one of the Concordes downfalls but they did build 20 of them. The Airbus A-380 is another one. I read where Boeing is discontinuing the 747 because newer 2 engine planes are much more efficient. Sometimes bigger isn't always better.
Just my point, just because you can build something and even if it has advantages over others in the market it does not mean you will have a long term winner!
See, the problem here, is that you are quoting a source, that directly contradicts what you are claiming. The link you provided clearly shows, that when you reference oil sands mining activity, the results are as follows: CNRL 523 Mb/d Suncor 454 Mb/d Syncrude 354 Mb/d Imperial 280 Mb/d Now when you add in InSitu plants as well, the numbers go up for Suncor and Imperial: Suncor 671 Mb/d CNRL 523 Mb/d Imperial 422 Mb/d Syncrude 354 Mb/d This is all very easily found if you look at the numbers. Actually, 3 of the 5 RH400s that Syncrude had were built by Terex, so no, that had no bearing on the reason. If you want, you could also add that they were then sold to Bucyrus, and then Caterpillar, but that still has no influence in it. That's interesting, maybe you should tell the folks up here that, because we routinely have to light load our 797s to get them out of soft pits. Obviously adding another 200 tons to the loaded weight wouldn't affect things at all.
Incidentally Dave, I know things can come across online differently than intended, but I just want you to know, I'm not trying to be a prick. I'm just trying to get the correct information to you to help you understand the true nature of the industry and company you keep referencing.
Some of my info was from a few years ago. The fact is a lot of the worlds largest mining machines went to Syncrude going all the way back to the Demag H241 in 1978. I remember reading about it and 580 Payloaders in my neighbors construction magazines. Syncrude also had a big orange Champion 100T grader. My welding teacher's last job before becoming a teacher was building the Syncrude plant. He was a Tig welding specialist and worked on some of the more critical piping. He said the blueprints for the Krupp bucket wheel filled 3 Atco trailers. Syncrude was the largest oilsands operation for decades. Getting back to this thread concerning the Belaz 450 tonne truck I don't know why Jewish is calling me a troll. If he's somehow involved with sales of this truck perhaps he would be better served by talking about some of it's unique features and benefits over other trucks other than it has a bigger payload. How does it compare to other large trucks, even though they are smaller, in terms of fuel usage, travel speed-loaded and unloaded, payload to operating weight ratio, tons per hour, tire wear and life, availability, component life, spare parts supplies, etc. This is all info that should be readily available for potential purchasers. One truck has been sold to date and there doesn't appear to be any data being released on how its field trials have been going. Thus it brings into question if the truck is living up to expectations. It is irrelevant if it is a machine from Belaz or any other manufacturer. The same questions would be asked if it was a new machine from Cat that wasn't attracting buyers after 7 years. It can't just be a slump in the mining market.
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$10M each
What truck?
In the last photos I noticed that the body was removed from the second model, it may soon go to the customer, I will try to find more information.
Response from the Chief Designer (of course, we are talking about 75711 ): «We made another dump truck from this series, only with a Russian-made traction drive and the platform was needed for load tests»
75711 seen here with platform from the second 75710 model during load tests
Source
Second model 75710 with platform removed 75711 with platform from the second 75710 model
Summer 2021
75711 with the body from 75710
75711 at the Open Day
So, to date, how many have been sold and how many built?
Built 4, sold 1
75603 (360 mt) 75711 (450 mt) 75710 (450 mt)
I read an article in Engineering and Mining Journal that Belaz is not doing too well. The trade embargoes have caused them to have to cannibalize two of the 450 tonnes for parts to build smaller trucks.
It makes sense they should concentrate on models that are selling. There just doesn't seem to be a market for their 450 tonne trucks.
It's not even a case of concentrating on what is selling. They have very few orders, and are cannibalizing trucks they have sitting around so they can get the parts to build them. There are embargoes in place against the country and government, and they are suffering for it.
1 sold over a period of how many years should be an indication there isn't much demand for their 450 Tonne trucks. It may be a great truck but that doesn't translate into sales. How long will they continue to invest mega $$$$ into something that shows little interest. There is no way other brands would ever have an open house to view trucks and allow people, including kids, to climb on the trucks or in the wheels. If that kid fell and got injured I can just see $$$$ in liability and/or lawsuits. Apparently back in the 60's they would have open houses when a new stripping shovel was set up but that all got stopped due to liability issues.
Still there...
Expensive yard art.