Here in California we are to get rid of all diesel engines in off road equipment by 2015 that is less than tier 2 or retrofit them with a particulate filter. Large fleets are all ready having to get rid or retrofit. What happen here will be tried in other area of the country. Trucks less than tier 2 were to be retrofited with particulate filter starting 2010 but this has been extended 2011. In most cases there is no way to comply. Cat will stop building truck engines because of tier 4? In fact tier 4 is out there somewhere they just want to make it something that cannot be obtained in reason. EPA will do to construction what they have done to Detorit. All your old equipment is at stake here. We have got the dam UL sulfer diesel that is full of hydrenated water with no BTU's or power so we use more, spend more. I think it's time to say no. Equipment should only be replaced by attrition. This is a free country, lest we set buy and do nothing it will become socialist, with appointed officials telling what to do and how much to do. I live here and very little is being told there is so many that know something is going on but not what is really is. Please read what CARB is doing it will effect you. Florida has adopted some of it all ready. I have until August to register all my equipment. Then I have to put a assigned number the sticker is like 6 in by 2 ft long. http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/ordiesl09/ordiesl09.htm
If it dont smoke........It must be broke! Boy id love to blow some nice black diesel smoke on those darn tree huggers!
Somebody should find the idiot that came up with this bit of legislation and knock his house down.
Agreed, with a big...old dozer.....with the pump turned up, and coal rollin out the stack!
pretty scary stuff. deere dont be laughin. its coming for our farm equip too. 2014 on new models if my memory serves correct. grandpa always said: watch what happens on the coasts, its only a matter of time till it works its way to the middle of the country. this applies to economic ups/downs, trends in society, and crappy legislation....
If you have cows the FED EPA has a methane tax that comes out the rear end and carbon dioxide tax out of the belching end. It's the COW F??T TAX. It's like $40 to $120 per cow, they have a 2 tier beef and dairy. I am encouraging look at what is going on and say something to who represents you at state & federal level. Oh yes we also have days that you can't build a fire in the stove, it's OK to freeze in stead of warm and comfee say the burocrats.
cow and tractor emmisions : This topic alone deserves a thread of its own.....but my thoughts on this so called tax, is that it will never go through. Do you know all the angry farmers that this will stir up? It was cause riots....you will have farmers spreading manure up and down the streets of D.C.:Banghead I just dont see it happening. That tax would screw the whole system up, and would cause a dominio effect on the economy. The tax would drive out the cattle farmers, then that would decrease the need for feed, and that would have an effect on the grain farmers.....and so on.......down the line! I just cant see it happening! KMB- Thats new news for me about the emmision standards for farm equipment. Boy I cant wait! ointhead What is this world coming to?:usa
I would hope a moderator would give it it's own place. I have read stories of Contractors in the LA Basin that have all ready sold there 2002 and older off road equipment and gave up. The equipment & engine maker love it thinking of sales. I live in a state that is paying 40 million in interest because they are broke. And have programs to help offset the cost of replacing equipment if you can comply, when they are borrowing just to keep afloat. How is it possible that we give our equipment the right PM to be told YOU CAN NOT OPERATE THIS EQUIPMENT AFTER THIS DATE. These changes to our lives has to be exposed. These laws are working there way into service as I write to you in all our states.
Easy man, I wasent the hijacker...:cool2 calm down....everthing will be ok
We need make known what has all ready happened. I can't think of a better place than this site. It's like we all have a bond with the iron we run.
they can have my pre-emission dozer when they pry it out of my cold, dead hands! when equipment is outlawed, only outlaws will have equipment! funny, right?
You are not alone in California... ...it is happening here in NY as well. You cannot operate a machine in NY City for more than 40 hours total (most jobsites last 8 months to a year) without retrofitting a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) on any machine above 50hp. The costs are mind boggling. We rent equipment in NYC all the time, and unfortunately the costs trickle down to the end user. To retrofit, say, a PC400LC-8 excavator costs as much as $25K for a passive filter. An "active" system, which requires that you run fuel into the exhaust stream to heat up the exhaust enough to catalyze the particles, can be as much as $35K...it is absolutely insane. If interested, Google "New York City Local Law 77"...it will make your head spin. These enviro whackos are killing us. The only people making serious money are those companies that supply the DPF's...and get this: most of the major manufacturers of these systems are in Canada. Even the filters themselves don't generate any dollar flow here at home! (except the labor to install them) Best, Tony
think that set up is in London now and their wondering why muckshifting has become so expensive.
This would certainly be an effective way to fight back against these rules. Unfortunately, there will be those companies that wont pass it on. Just as there are companies that low ball bids and go for change orders.
I don't think this a joke, it's only going to get worse. President Elect Obama, has appointed a women with a socialist agenda as the Green Czar (remember Czars aren't good things either look at the Russian Czars). The fact of the matter is the government doesn't care about you making a profit, its, all about the government. We are rapidly approaching a socialist state now, he is going to take us even further into the depth of socialism, and government dependency. I guess they have to go after the bull dozers first, Then out with our other inalienable rights. The right to keep and bear bulldozers shall not be infringed. Now I'm on the list DOMARI NOLO MOLON LABE Telescooper See my note below.
Deere, sorry i had to break the news.... here is a link that explains this for construction and farm equipment. http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/nonroad.php table 3 is the real deal. as far as we are concerned. that is stricter regs and it shows 2012-2014ish.
It's now a Calif. Law, do not idle equipment or truck for more than 5 minutes, heavy. fines. This is coming to you state soon.
If you want to get to the source start with your million dollar(several) movie stars that through million of dollars to greenies,peta and anyone else that whines about saving us, they knows not what we need? ointhead We try to clean the air,China and others pollute twice as much.Who's regulating them. You get the idea,so i'm out of here on this subject,too much anxiety for me.Would just get worked up and get put on the :ban list.:Banghead:waving :usa
There is a scraper over at the landfill 627 that has PM filters on it they have to bring it in every 8 hours and plug it in to burn off the filters. The landfill can pass the cost right back in increased costs + they are a National Co. How could a small dirt spread pass the cost on, bottom line gets the bid. Another Company has a W900 Komatsu Loader they could only get a tier 1 engine from Komatsu to replace the tier 0 engine. That engine will have to be replaced again to meet Calif. emission law. I know the cost were around $200,000. Maby that's why the price of rock has gone to $17.50 per ton this winter. If anything the price should have dropped but all the quarry's in the bay area except 1 are at $17.50 a ton and that is FOB quarry.
WOW, i thought we had it rough here, we dont , we are in diesel heaven, on road we can run any age engine although it cant blow black smoke for longer than 10 seconds or you get fined, i know because i still hold the australian record for the biggest fine for a truck blowing smoke $35,000 about 15 years ago for a smoky exhaust. of road trucks, tractors, dozers , etc anything with any engine there are no restrictions on age or condition of engine , no restrictions on how much smoke it can blow and no plans to bring in any changes to those rules..
We have a 5 second rule on black smoke in sunny Cal. As I remember your Prim Minister was going to sign Qoito, but after finding out what it would cost you country refused, A Giant Step In The Right Direction. Since Hillery Clintandnesta Sec. of State just anounced that Globial Climate Change will be her Goal, I guess she is already gassing up the Jet to rush off and sign on to Quoto as soon as possible. Did you know that Speaker of the House Polosie, had to have a new jet that could fly non stop to San Francisco from Washington. This cost $60,000 each way, or like 4.5 mill a year, and she challenged the automakers that came to Washington in private jets. Is this political or alarming? I will now go and feed the cows some special grass that will make some super gas, pure poetry! Because this topic is directly related to our industry, there has been no moderation of it, thus far. A reminder to all--forum policy is to stay away from political discussions. Naming an individual politician (for example the President elect, or his appointees) or a specific political doctrine (socialism) obviously crosses the line into "political" discussion. I know it's difficult to fully discuss this topic without going into the politics of it, but please, everybody try. Thanks.
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I feel I'm very middle of the road about most of these issues. I will agree that the EPA sometimes has a tendency to go a little over the top, but I think vehicle emissions is something we can improve while still being logical. While I don't support tree huggers, I don't think we should do nothing about the environment, either. It's pretty selfish for anyone in this day and age to say to hell with regulating emissions, it won't be my problem. I have no problem running cleaner burning fuel, cleaner burning engines, whatever it takes. As long as solutions to these issues are available, like re-powering equipment, adding particulate filters, etc. where is there a problem? There isn't. Commerce has always evolved and risen to new challenges, the world is not going to come to an end. As far as the costs involved with these new regulations to the contractor, it all comes back to the customer anyway. And just because the operating costs will rise doesn't mean construction is going to dry up, there will ALWAYS be a need for iron to be running. However, I think some companies will be greatly affected by these new regulations, but hey, life isn't fair. Either you adapt or don't, simple as that. Survival of the fittest, pretty much how the construction industry works as a general principle anyway. I think some guys are paranoid way too much about this. Take it as it comes, start planning now for the regulation change and deal with it, no sense complaining about it because it WILL happen. Much like we will run out of oil at some point in time, it is a fact that we must live with and adapt accordingly. There's a solution to every problem, some folks are way too stuck in their ways to see the road ahead. FWIW, the downfall of Detroit was not EPA regulations, to put it quite simply. The government actually retracted mileage requirements that were set in place numerous times to allow the big 3 to continue producing and selling vehicles because such guidelines were never met. I guess you could say the government assisted in the downfall of the big 3 if you look at it from the standpoint that if the government would've slapped them way back when instead of retracting the requirements to allow them to keep selling cars like they did, there probably wouldn't be an auto industry bailout right now that is a complete joke. To add insult to injury, the CEO's of the big 3 were in hearings begging for money but couldn't even help themselves get it. They couldn't even provide a solid plan to get themselves on solid ground which in turn would allow them access to desired operating funds, what a joke. Getting a business line of credit at your local bank as an owner operator would be more difficult than the auto boys had getting money from the taxpayers, they couldn't even get that to happen as much as they would've liked. I don't have all the answers, but I just watch what I see and take note. Just my .02
I'm all for the environment to a point. even though the new emissions devices are fuel efficiency and power robbing maintenance nightmares that are nothing but a drain on the bottom line, making them mandatory on new equipment isn't that horrible. But forcing people to scrap their older PAID for equipment for no other reason that some arbitrary government agency that's lead researcher has just been proven to not even have an actual doctorate is purely idiotic. all these years I have spent maintaining my equipment spending countless extra thousands of dollars keeping it in good working order and repair are now for nothing. I could have just been running that equipment into the ground at no consequence because its now worth just as much as the run in **** out there. with our current credit climate I cant afford to replace the trucks I have (over 1.2 million dollars of JUST trucks) with new emissions compliant trucks. let alone all the diesel powered equipment. We have been in business since 1952 and have acquired many pieces of specialized equipment. when my annual revenues are under $700,000 theirs no bank in the world that's going to led me the 3 million I need to replace trucks let alone the 3 to 4 million I would need to replace the cranes, forklifts, welders, equipment, and everything else with new compliant motors. when you look at the bigger picture there's 8 people in my organization that are going to loose their jobs because I have to downsize massively to cope with the fact im no longer going to be competitive in bidding with the larger company's with late model equipment. I just cant. As it is im going to go from 7 trucks and cranes to maybe 2 trucks. with the laws that already passed. The worst part other than not even being able to get financing for new trucks is that the trucks I have to replace now aren't worth ****. any potential buyers would have to transport them 500 miles to make them even legal to operate in the near future. All of them are Under 150,000 miles and my highest hour crane is just a tick over 6,800 hours and is currently certified and in GREAT repair. But was devalued $10,000 over night. having been well paid for many years this isn't even a depreciation write off. As if the current economic woes weren't enough to give anyone ulcers I know have this weight hanging over my head. Business is good right now and the only factor I can attribute to this is my ability to come in under more bids because I own my own equipment and don't have to rely on rentals or taxi crane rentals. so if you think that its just a cost that can be simply passed on to the consumer I will let you come look at my books and you can sit in my office for the next year for all i care. then you can tell me its NO big deal and its all in the name of clean air.
That is just my feelings to! Equipment should run and replaced through attrition!
It's OK to built into the new equipment with this new EPA stuff but force us not to run equipment is not American , it's that other word I can't say ------. I wrote letters to Cafif. Air Resource Board telling then the American way is to buy a used machine when you start out in business, how will new business start out having to buy new equipment, it just not sound way to do business. If there was a supply of used EPA certified equipment that would help lower the cost. I don't think they care my state is paying 40 mill interest a day, and they think I should replace, or retrofit my equipment (at this time there is no retrofits for my excavators,) and if there was I could not pass it on to a customer. We really feel left out of the process. Most contractors did not ever get notices of the meeting when this was all going on eventhoe we all have a state contractor license which they could have got a mailing list from. But that would have alerted to many as to what is going on. I am just hoping to figure a way around this.
Even with my anal maintenance practices and ruthless tyranny of my employees I know that everything will one day wear out. Nothing is for ever I run a business and know when to cut my losses. being forced to replace my prized equipment with something that will do the EXACT same job with more hassles, complexity, maintenance, over all costs, with virtually ZERO gains to my bottom line wreaks of communism. In fact one of my longest employees just put a big pinstripe scratch in the side of my 1993 service truck and thought he was fired right there on the spot. he was close.
Their is NO way around this. Pure and simple. we cant get financing most of my equipment is NOT cat. And even if I COULD upgrade the trucks for 20+ grand EACH!!!! Where can I get an emissions certified system for my 6.6L Brazilian ford new Holland diesel in my F-800's? NO WHERE! After treatment for Perkins diesel powered Lincoln welders? Continental diesel powered equipment? cant be done. Even my two engine truck crane needs to have the LOWER engine meet the new on road regs but the upper does not need to meet any emissions standards till 2020. anyone know where I can get an emissions compliant replacement for a Detroit 6-71? needs to match the same RPM and torque curve fit where the originally engine fit cannot be intercooled for packaging reasons. ANYONE? As far as I'm concerned I need to find another source of income. I'm 4th generation at this an have never done anything else I would consider a JOB. at this point I have ZERO idea on what else I can do. I do this well but simply don't have the capitol to continue on in this business.
our previous government refused to sign the kyoto, they lost the election a year ago, the new govt. has signed it, nothing has changed, i am staggered at what your govt is doing to you regarding old engines in off road plant,as i said we have absolutely no rules on off road engines, epa regulations only apply to vehicles that are road registered. i was on a job a few months ago and there was a D7 there, it was mid sixties i think, no cab and still had a pilot motor ( i think you call them pony motor).we of ten complain about being over regulated however i am starting ti think we have it real good.
quote: "I think some companies will be greatly affected by these new regulations, but hey, life isn't fair. Either you adapt or don't, simple as that. Survival of the fittest, pretty much how the construction industry works as a general principle anyway." that argument doesnt hold much water with me. life isnt fair, maybe someone gets hurt on your jobsite tomorrow and it takes you out. but that doesnt give uncle sam the right to throw up his hands and say "sorry boys life aint fair and i'm going to do this....." example: life aint fair, left handed people your tax rate is now 80% put another way unemployment is say 8%. well life aint fair, sucks to be those guys. but if your one of the 8%, unemployment to you is 100%!!!!. so it should be a concern of all. not trying to be squirrelly, i just need a better justification for saying, yeah this is something that is painful, but necessary. i cant think of the correct term, but in the legal system you can only go back so far to be prosecuted. it feels like i'm being held liable for the machine i operate being manufactured in 1972. if uncle same cared about this, he'd at LEAST do a cost share.
I feel for you guys living in California. Life is tough enough without adding more poorly thought out regulations. California may be at the top of the list of the jurisdictions that overregulate nearly everything. It's a nice place to visit, but I would not want to live or work there. How long has California had regulations that require on road vehicles to pass emissions tests and other vehicle inspection laws? Decades later, many other states and countries still have not followed California's lead. It seems unlikely that areas with large numbers of farmers will bring in strict regulations for off road emissions. The farmers are too powerful a lobby and politicians don't want to alienate them. I certainly can't see spending tens of thousands of dollars retrofitting a machine that may only be worth twenty or thirty thousand dollars? What is more likely to happen is that those machines will show up in neighboring jurisdictions or go out of the country. It is already difficult to find the most popular models of some machines in Canada and the same thing must be happening in the U.S. Buyers are snapping up certain models of old backhoes and loaders and having them shipped in containers to Asia and other areas. Most of those areas also have lax environmental regulations, so that market is not likely to dry up.
I've had concern for a number of years now that EPA legislation is out of control. I'll agree that without any legislation pollution was getting out of control, but that was years ago, automobiles have had some form of pollution control now since 1968. I have no idea who proposes these new regulations and where these numbers come from, are they actually attainable and at what expense? Do the people who propose these stats have any idea of the engineering involved with internal combustion engines? One manufacturer, Caterpillar has already dropped out of the market because it was becoming too costly and complicated to keep up with the ever changing regulations. Engines are becoming more and more costly and less and less reliable with all the sophistication required to meet the regulations. Engine designs are nearly obsolete when they are introduced, the engineering and production costs must be recouped on fewer units which drives up cost. The 2010 requirements are forcing manufacturers to introduce urea into the combustion to meet them. Urea is a very corrosive substance and will have to be refilled as it is used, what are the risks involved with transporting, storing and dispensing this product? What will happen if a vehicle equipped with this system is involved in an accident and the urea tank ruptures? How is it possible that an engine can produce less pollutants by burning more fuel? That one just doesn't make sense to me. If burning hydrocarbons is bad, how can burning more of them possibly be good??? I think someone is pulling a fast one here. Engines produce less pollutants than they ever had, you can't see a diesel blow smoke anymore. Is there a point where the exhaust reaches an acceptable level of contaminants or will we face an ever tightening round of restrictions as time goes on? The 2010 regs for diesels require that the exhaust actually be cleaner of some pollutants than the air it takes in to burn the fuel, so in essence they are becoming air scrubbers. At some point (and in my opinion we've passed that point) the level of improvement must be weighed against the cost and performance loss. When the people pushing all this legislation start living the restrictions they put in place, i.e. walk instead of drive and not use electric appliances nor heat their homes, I'll have a bit of respect for what they are trying to sell. Perhaps the time has come for us to start making noise to our national representatives.
Quioto Sorry to here your government signed Quioto. If they do the same thing that Calif. did the laws will go on the books before you know. If they use our laws anything 2002 or older will need and engine replacement and maby a PM filter and my dealer says they can't replace the engine because of the excavators computer and the related costs. Remember CAT IS GOING TO STOP MAKING TRUCK ENGINES. This made Cummings very happy, there market share just increases. It looks like they are also going to this USEFUL LIFE it's like 10 years for the new equipment, I think that Japan has this program think for cars it's like 35,000 miles, in fact maby this is were the root of all this came from? Does anyone know what Japan's program is?
Steve you hit a home run with this," The 2010 regs for diesels require that the exhaust actually be cleaner of some pollutants than the air it takes in to burn the fuel, so in essence they are becoming air scrubbers. At some point (and in my opinion we've passed that point) the level of improvement."
The pollution regulations were not put in effect by elected officials at all. The congress and the president only wrote the law that established the EPA. The EPA is all bureaucrats that were appointed or hired for their positions. As such they have to justify their jobs by "cleaning up the environment". They take something like air pollution and bid out consultants to study the problem and come up with statistics that can be used (twisted) so they can build a statement of concern. They like to use kids medical problems as a reason that diesel exhaust is a detriment to society. They will come up with statements saying that it will save millions of dollars in kids medical bills if we can make the air just "this" much cleaner. Now it gets really hairy. They go out and hire more consultants to figure out a specification that may just be possible to attain if the technology gets just a little bit better. Never mind that the technology does not exist yet. It doesn't matter because now they have to monitor compliance with the new spec. Now their jobs are safe until it appears they may not be needed anymore. That is the time to go back out and bid out new consultants to form a new specification and we are back on the merry go round again. This is the rot that is taking over our government. Electing new legislators does no good because they can't do anything to get rid of the bureaucrats.
Now, now boys! Remember, this is all for your own good! Clean air good! Dirty air bad! Illegal's goo..., whoops, wrong forum for that. Anyway, I started running into this several years ago in California. The nazi's at CARB were already hard at work then getting diesel powered equipment outlawed, and they haven't let up a bit it seems. We looked at repowering an older KW lube truck with a then compliant under their rules engine, with the kickback and all, not to mention the five years of quarterly followup paperwork. You may all guess what my boss said. Can't be printed here in this family oriented forum you know. That truck would not be able to run under the current rules today, even with the new engine. CARB originally was going to allow longer periods of time for compliance and even allow some equipment to be grandfathered. But that ended when they realized that some older equipment like Cat 651B's could be maintained to run virtually forever. "We didn't realize," they said, "that this stuff would last so long." They had originally, without any experience or forethought, assumed that construction and other heavy equipment only lasted 3-5 years like a car. I'll never forget hearing that statement. Dealing with the annoying and overwhelming California state bureacracy is probably part of what caused my busted colon in 2003. With over 700 machines to look after, it was a constant legalistic and regulatory battle that never ended and was always changing. It's little wonder Cat got out of truck engines, the rules really do keep changing and there wasn't enough money in it to pay for the constant R&D involved, emissions wise, for Cat. Smart move on their part I think, but also looks to me like Cat better step it up a notch on LNG or CNG powerplants, as those are all that will be allowed soon in California and a good part of the rest of the country I believe. The CARB people are not elected, and they seem to answer to no one. If one looks at their resumes, one quickly sees that most of them have no business experience and damned little experience beyond that, excepting at some college as a student or instructor. I believe they have all taken a sworn oath to get rid of internal combustion engines, especially diesels. They care nothing about helping the states businessmen and never have. But never mind that California's biggest problem is simply just way too many people trying to live in areas that can not support half of the numbers that are already there. And, consider, California is expected to increase in population by half again by 2020 I think is the date. My recent visit to Bakersfield reveled the insanity of allowing too many people to live there. The smog billows up thorough the pass at the Grapevine as one travels north on I-5, and increases in intensity as you drive down into the valley. Visability on a good day is limited to a few miles and ceilings in the winter are down to about 2200 feet. All in a huge dirty brown and gray cloud. Respiratory problems in people are much higher there than almost anywhere else excepting China. I'm glad we got out though I really liked the town and it's people. So, what's it to be, clean air, or kick the excess people out? You all know where that will go. I see that more folks are moving out of California however, than are moving in, so my advice to dirt stiffs and contractors in California is to maybe pack up and go elsewhere, unless you like doing paperwork, working under more and more difficult regulations, and face hugely increasing fines and other financial restrictions as the state trys to work it's way out of it's deficit. With the states government virtually paralyzed at the moment and with it's past history being more of the same, I don't see the situation improving anytime soon financially or environmental regulation wise. No good answers on this one fellas. Good Luck!
Like I said, everything will work out in the wash. I think Joe made a good point, guys will just end up leaving the state all together and those that are left will have a decent share of the pie. If you cut your competition in half and your potential market increaded by 30% or more, how well off would you be? That was my point in my original post. The costs of making equipment/trucks compliant will hurt at first but in the long run you could see greater returns than you did before for the simple fact that not everyone in business will be able to afford the initial investment of becoming compliant. The good news is that those of you in Cali know it's coming, planning for the future is key. I will agree that most environmental issues contractors face are ridiculous, however I feel the air quality is something that affects everyone. Wildlife or vegetation control, most of that crap is stupid. Don't cut down a tree because an owl might live in it? That's BS. However, air quality is a problem that must be solved.
Bigger market due to compiance, not American I think there is an enormous change in ethic envolved here. #1 To blame smog on the internal combustion engine, does not explain the smog that history records in the LA Basin before the internal combustion engine. #2 We are using Ultra Low Sulfur fuels which requires in most cases the use of more fuel for the same work. #3 We are changing our our work ethic to some kind of government controlled program that is offering a little subside to make the burocrats look like they have mittigated the impacts to businesses. #4 Getting rid of 30% of family owned contractors will just mean another new program from the government, to replace the shortage that government has created. #5 We have done our share to comply with government programs only to find that it don't work. Like the R12 change to 134a and yes another change is on the way, and most of this is not a hard fact, like DDT and the millions of deaths because of the ban. What we need is a lot less government mandates.
DarrylMueller, Well said, I find the most simple solution is most often overlooked by government. In most cases its LESS GOVERNMENT
Dualie just so you know you make some great post on here and other,just don't know how to get them sent or told to people that will or can help:beatsme Just wanted you to know.Just seems like a lot of waste,if experienced people has to go out of business.Good luck:usa
Steve that has been my question as well. It just doesn't make any sense.:beatsme It is one thing for a company to not be competitive in the free and open market and they close there doors. It is an entirely different story when the gov't mandates a drastic change that some companies cannot afford, thus forcing them to close their doors. It has been proven time and time again that gov't manipulation in the free market can have drastic results. Duallie is a perfect example. He has done what any prudent owner should do. Take care of your equipment, get it paid for and use it for its useful life - thus making a higher return on the investment. When the gov't comes in and changes the rules, rather drastically, it blows your whole business plan out of the water. It is not about "making more money" or "costing me more money". A successful business takes time, money and determination over years to develop. Every business out there doesn't have the funding that a Skanska or Keiwit does. If the costs of these gov't regulations makes you un-profitable or worse loose money, then what is the point of working? An old laborer once told me - " I have been tired and I have been hungry, but I will not be tired and hungry". The potential loss of many small companies should be a national concern. Small business owners are some of the best inovators our country has. They are the ones that build our communities and are the backbone of this country. Take this analogy for instance: The DMV decides that there are too many accidents involving drivers who require corrective lenses because they were not wearing their glasses or contact lenses. Multiple studies are produced and they decide something must be done about this "epidemic". The solution - all drivers will be required to have natural 20/20 vision to obtain a drivers license, corrective lenses will no longer be allowed. Of course this will become law in two years from the present so everyone should have plenty of time to make the necessary adjustments. The folks that don't have natural 20/20 vision, let them ride the bus or carpool. To the folks that don't have bus service or the opportunity to carpool, well they will be spending alot of time at home. Everyone else will have to adapt. But the bright side would be for the folks that do have 20/20, think of their job opportunities. Granted my senario is a little far fetched but for some folks having to deal with this emission issue, it will be no less painful.
Feds are already trying that route CM1995, with potential and current drivers having diabetes or heart problems. If you have these conditions, you have to have extra physical examination done and your driver medical card may reflect a shorter period of time before another exam. There are some other medical things being promoted by the "safety" people, all of it directed at truck drivers. It's easy to see that soon, if you are not in perfect physical condition, you won't be allowed behind the wheel of a truck. California won't have to worry about that soon however, as there will not likely be any trucks operating there, diesel powered ones anyway. It's going to be interesting how the state solves this riddle.
Good point Surfer-joe, I forgot about that aspect of the CDL. My Doctor noted on the long physical form that I take blood pressure medicine although I am still on the every 2 year DOT physical. Which reminds me I have to get my physical in Feb.:Banghead Rules and regs creep into certain fields only to be expanded in the name of public safety. Don't get me wrong, I am all for real safety issues but like anything there are folks out there that use whatever is available to promote their agenda - whatever it may be. Sometimes it seems the "agenda" is a Bureaucrats job security. I guess my senario was not that far fetched?:beatsme
Texas Railroad commission is looking at a buyback program, if your equipment qualify's you scrap your's to the state's specs. Buy a new piece and the state pays you 80% of the purchase price. They do this on forflifts now. It's a great deal for the owner and the dealers selling equipment. Hope they approve for my bad ol smokin Cat & Komatsu.
More fuel less power. And drivers license "CDL" If you have a CDL your physical is only good for 1 year if you have blood pressure etc. and other issues. Also 20/40 corrected vision in 1 eye I just sent in the renewal it's good for 4 years it use to be for 8 years. More fuel less power, this is something that almost any class 8 truck with a boost pressure gage on it will prove. Here is the treatas when we were burning pre low sulfur the boost would go to 22 psi. I could pull this hill at 60. Then came low sulfur 17 psi boost, and now ultra low sulfur still the same 50 to 52. And this is with treated fuel with additives. The ULS diesel has very little oil in it. Do you remember how long it would take for Pre low sulfur diesel to evaporate on metal in the sun days or weeks and now it just hours. Low boost is low BTU's less power. I have been told by techs that a new 500 hp engine will run like a old 350-400 hp. used to. The truckers on this forum that have been there through this transition to ULS diesel should remember just how good the power was and what we now have in it's place. A loss of power would be noticed in other engines under full load with loss of power, or RPM in the same conditions with ULS Diesel fuel. The same power to move the load that was in pre ULS is not there. I have had many of conversations with my fuel supply man as we went through the FUEL DOWN GRADE. So if ULS was that important why the rush to get rid of this Equipment???????????????????????????????????????
This is a simple answer. "Hello, we're from the Government, and we're here to help." ointhead
This will be going NATIONAL ( Proposed Regulation )TAKE ACTION This is a PDF file.Proposed Regulation. I will post another PDF with amendments, This is our industry. Our industry will belong to the burocrats unless we expose the action. I am saying lets take our industry back. Please get involved TALK SHOWS, NEWPAPERS, LETTERS TO EDITOR, post a notice at you equipment dealer.
Well, I just saw a story on the news that said life expectancy's were up thanks to the cleaner air regs. Here's a version http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6703051&page=1 I would bet that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg now with regard to future regs.
I read the article? Let's see, not breathing those particles that are so small they can only be viewed by a microscope makes it cost effective to take hundreds of billions of dollars from everyone so a few can have five more months of old age. Lets look at it another way. How many people here do some welding from time to time? How many smoke cigarettes. How many inhale dust while growing food for the rest of us. How many go camping and stand around a camp fire and get a whiff of smoke from time to time. What happened to the life expectancy of the people down wind from Mt. Saint Helens in 1980. Those particles are a whole lot bigger than the particles that are being described in the report. What was the objective of those researchers and who was paying for it. In an earlier post I described exactly that scenario. To put this in perspective, the number one cause of death, outside of old age, is accidents. We killed more people in car wrecks last year than any other cause. Here is a better question. How can people in a laboratory possibly justify such a statement when no one has defined just how long any one person is supposed to live. Accidents, war, disease, famine and however many other ways there are to die have to be factored and I just don't see how that is even possible.
It's not just cars, trucks and machines, heating units are now being considered for regulation as well. Here in NY there's talk of wood burning heat sources being regulated, many localities already regulate outdoor boilers. Our previous Governor was talking about making it a statewide regulation, it hasn't happened yet but don't think the extremists aren't trying.
This will be going NATIONAL ( Cal. Rules )TAKE ACTION, On The way to your STATE Latest update on the rules, This is our industry. Our industry will belong to the burocrats unless we expose the action. We need to take our industry back. Please get involved TALK SHOWS, NEWPAPERS, LETTERS TO EDITOR, post a notice at you equipment dealer. http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2009/ordiesl09/ord09isor.pdf
Carbon Foot Print and the truck scales "PrePass" I just got a notice from PrePass and if you don't know, the is the transponder that allows 18 wheel trucks not to stop at the scale if you get a green light. PrePass says any carbon foot print or offsets or any thing else that we could claim is PrePass property. There are thousands of these transponders out there and they save fuel and time which is money that is why we spend $16.00 per month for the device. But this is just another bunch that will be sitting at a desk collecting money for what we do. We probably will end up funding what they get paid to?
I can assure you that they will make far greater money tradeing carbon credits than they ever did with their original idea to save you time.
The carbon credits are another scam brought to us by government. Take the Chinese dam project ( one of 763 planned) which gets carbon credits for clean electricity. They sell the credits to a German company that then uses them to pollute more from their coal fired electric plant. The Chinese company uses the money to finance more projects. The result of these credits is more pollution for Germany, thousands of Chinese forced from their land and lost jobs for North Americans. I feel for the excavation companies and operators who will be effected by these new emission regulations.
Are you sure that Canada is not going to follow suit. Or is there some sanity that could wake up the media which in turn will tell the FAT AL bunch to go and get a real job. I here this will be one of the coldest winter on record, does thew media report it, NO. They have shoved this idology to the kids via the schools and they have accepted it, now we have to reeducate is that possible?
It is a complete shame that legislation like this can even be brought to the table, with all the other problems the country and the world is having. More people are jobless, lets do something that will put more people out of a job! Hunger is a problem, lets starve them out of work, and make more hungry people! sheesh Just to lighten the mood a bit here's a little anecdote. I own a 99 VW Jetta. I worked at Bethlehem Steel in Burns Harbor, on one of their ore frieghters, the 1000' long M/V Burns Harbor. We would deliver taconite from Wisconsin to Indiana evry 2 weeks. That boat had 4 20 cyl. EMD engines. My Jetta had a 2.8 liter V6. Years went on, I drove my Jetta to my new job in So.Chicago, working on tugs with EMD 16's and Cat 3408 engines, delivering iron ore, coal, and fly ash barges to Bethlehem, US Steel, Inland and LTV. My little Jetta had some bad plugs and wires(turned out to be a coilpack, which I couldn't afford) and was running rich when it was put through emmision testing, which meant i had to fix the trouble before I could get tags. I got a ticket for expired plates while driving down I 80/ 94. I couldn't get the plugs and wires, so i couldn't get plates. Now would somebody explain to me how my 2.8 liter engine is such a big concern to the environment, when the boats alone that I worked on produced 10000x the pollution, let alone the steel mills they were servicing, and the highway and train traffic produced from said operations are exponentially higher yet. The Govmn't of Indiana says anyone living in Lake or Porter County must have their vechicles emmision tested every 2 years, for vehicles manufactured from 1977 to present, 10,000 lbs or under. Vechicles in 1977 had no emmisions controls. They weren't adopted until 1980, as I recall. Funny as it seems, if I lived on the Laporte County side of Co. Line Road, I wouldn't have to have my car tested. I could blow raw fuel out of my tailpipe and I would get plates. My neighbor across the street would have to be emission tested, and would assuredly fail. Time to call your lawmakers boys, tell them they will be out of a job if things of this nature get passed. It blows my mind to hear of some of the bass-ackward thinking our elected officials put out. sorry for the book.
Bully, I remember Bethlehem Steel in Bethlehem, Pa I used live in the area. Gone. Cleveland, Ohio all that foundry shut down, I guess went to India. This clean air act has just about done in 35 years what the 2 World War couldn't. Taken jobs and closed shops. I train my kids home school them, then college. They come back with climate change, and globial warming and think left, oh yes left. EPA also want to tax the gas that come out of cows & pigs. When there is no meat will the people wake up as to what they have done. If you are in Calif. you need a permit to operate a dairy, and they tell you haw many cows. If I can just get people talking and question what is going on. Oh yes trains, ships, boats are all under the spy glass for environemental damage. There is now talk about charging for the amount we drive, they will have a transponder in each licensed vehicle that will tell how much we drive. As long as people are willing to give up rights this will continue.
Darryl I agree we must contact our legislators, not that they will listen. Chuck Shumer Dem. NY. recently referred to us as the "chattering class". All of us must call, write, email, and remember be professional. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ Telescooper
President asks EPA is CO2 a polutant The president asks EPA is CO2 a pollutant this could be a real downer if CO2 becomes a pollutant. Humans emit it, trees need it. It's .03% of the atmosphere. Everything from lawn mower, power plants, BBQ grill, dog, cows, even the Panda Bear. Wear does it stop with this bunch? Would you like to know what the Fed.Dept of Labor Advisor to the President thinks of us? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4
Another industry shut down by regulations. Oh yes now motorcycles contain lead, so can't sell to kids, another industry shut down. The Washington, DC court of fools! Now they have destroyed part of the motorcycle industry! Go to any motorcycle dealer's website and you will probably see a notice on their main page about this. The dealers have been forced to take all motorcycles and ATVs that are "youth models" off their showroom floors. How is this helping our economy? Does anyone remember the "Luxury Tax?" Back in the 80's I think. Nearly destroyed the pleasure boat industry. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-02-16-motorcycleban_N.htm http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/5/238...Ban-Stops-Youth-ATV-and-Motorcycle-Sales.aspx I do not like this, CHANGE!
California just doubled the registration fees This won't help truckers, and everyone else that buys a registration it's wrong. I don't know the date it will take affect but I need to pay $1600.00 real quick before it turn into $3200.00 hope it's not retro-active. Is it possible the fees will be more than the iron is worth soon? Three rino's caved in on the budget this is the result.
Gets more discouraging owning a business each day I read the paper. What hairbrained plan will they come up with next. I guess I will have to non op all my trucks. Not enough work to pay the plates. Then you have to turn down the rare job that comes up on a short notice, because you have no plates We were told there would be CHANGE, and it seems there is. If there is much more CHANGE like this, there won't be any small businesses left.
Dirt haulers shortage on the way, No $ for license! I can see a real shortage of trucks coming up. 1. most guys are not going to by new trucks in 2011 they are going to quit. 2. A lot will not pay the new registration fees, $3800.00 for 18 wheeler. I think there will be some kind of program to pay for all of this if you are a minoriety because this is more important than keep established and trained people working. We are to be left out in the cold to fend for ourselves. This is what Washington Policy makers think! This information is to keep you informed and to write and object, congress & senate. These people have never had a real job. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4
A cartoon in good fun. I think that they need to look at the overall picture. Governments tend to bring in laws that cost greatly and accomplish next to nothing.
one of the problems with cleaning up the air is that many countries including china dont do anything about it. our government is going to bring in a carbon emission tax, they are going to exempt many industries because if they have to spend big money buying carbon credits they will be uncompetitive and those jobs will go to countries that manufacture without any emission controls, it is a complex issue with no easy answers.
AGCO Takes the LEAP with, "SCR" Selective Catalytic Reduction Technology. This just keeps getting better all the time. For you that don't know AGCO makes farm tractors for themselves AGCO , CAT Challenger, Massey Ferguson, Fendt are just a few brands. Anyway here is what they are going to use to meet Tier 3 and maybe Tier 4. The technology was introduced in 2007 in Germany 2008 in Finland. SCR uses a urea based product called DEF for diesel emission fluid. They use 3 gallons for each 100 of diesel and have a 8 gallon tank for the DEF product, along with a diesel tank. Tractors can be tuned for power and get a complete burn with less particulate matter, the NOx is then reduced with SCR. This will be in the 270 to 350 hp. 8.4L 6 cyl. AGCO Sisu engine 1200-1500 rpm. with a 54% tork bulge, and will use 15% less fuel. Its in March Diesel Progress Mag. Yes it's complicated and full of electrical junk and you know how un-reliable that is. We all need to keep up on the latest technology even if we can't afford it.
This is old news, I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it somewhere here on the Board. This system will be used in the majority of diesel trucks beginning in 2010, including pickups and other light trucks. While this might be improving air quality, in my mind it presents another environmental risk, a highly corrosive liquid will become a commonly used item in our transportation system. Soon nearly every truck will have up to 8 gallons of this liquid strapped to its frame rail. What hazard does this present in the event of an accident and ruptured tank? Bulk delivery trucks will need to transport this fluid to stations selling diesel, presenting another accident hazard or risk of spill while transferring the liquid. What impact will this have on the environment? There's also risk of spill in just filling your vehicle. It is estimated this system will add $2000 to $3000 to the cost of a vehicle, not a big percentage of a heavy truck or machine, but a pretty good chunk of the cost of a light or medium truck, or small machine. It is said these engines will actually reduce the amount of NOx in the air, in other words the exhaust will have less NOx than the air going in to the engine. In other words, the engines become air scrubbers of a sort. From what I've read, IH is the only company who will not use this system, they claim to meet the 2010 requirements in another manner.
SCR v. EGR showdown at Mid-America Truck Show Got a little testy in Louisville ... http://www.constructionequipment.com/article/CA6646132.html
Interesting article, thanks! I guess time will tell what the real answer is.
I would sure like to read the article but evertime it starts to load up the application quits. Perhaps a thread on the new technology from some engine people would be appropriate here.
John, you have to allow pop ups from this site for the window to open. If you can't get that to work, right click on the link and "Copy Shortcut" then paste it as the URL address at the top of the screen.
Thanks Steve, I got it to open long enough to read the article but if I move around at all on the site the application drops. I tried going directly into the site also. I'm wondering if I have to sign up for the site. Anyway it is an interesting article. From my point of view I haven't seen anything good happening with exhaust gas recirculation. Even so the idea of having to treat diesel engines like old two stroke motorcycles with an oil tank I find really aggravating.
Alway the same, and it appears international ,the smaller operations being hit the hardest and the fact that it being done retrospectively is of great concern. I don't agree with erg systems and as for the SCR , well! if you forget to fill the urea, most of the new wagons here shut down to a get home safely mode .Also I am told that water in the system will allow it to work as per-normal but someone else will have to confirm that as I am not involved in the trucking business. Stock
Is the EPA chasing Alice's white rabbit? I ran into some real interesting info that has hard facts that shows the USA is not the problem and would like to share this link, maybe you readers can forward this to the rule maker? Is the carbon dioxide that humans exhale a public danger? Yes, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The EPA has released an endangerment finding on carbon dioxide. The finding will allow the gas to be regulated under the Clean Air Act, something the Act was not intended to do when it was enacted over 30 years ago. Real good information here! http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=468158 http://www.instituteforenergyresear...and-trade-harms-the-economy-and-reduces-jobs/ All this cost to the USA and outlawing of productive equipment with no real impact to improve the environment. Tea Party 4/15/09
Am I right in understanding that if you have a non-compliant diesel machine you cannot operate it (or only operate it for very restricted periods of time) after a certain date? Would this not force thousands of contractors to dump equipment onto the used market in other states, thus driving down the price of used equipment in an already depressed market? This doesn't sound like the kind of legislation you want to enact in the middle of a recession/depression but then again most legislators don't seem to actually give a damn about the state of the economy these days.
Thank You! The Light goes on. I know this is hard to think that they can do this and enforce it. But yes you cannot add equipment that does not comply to the tier, and it must be sold out of state. I am in the last group to have to register by law all equipment by August 09. And I can have limited use untill 2015. If I buy a like 2000 model the fine is $50.00 per hp. But I am real glad they did not do this in '05 when thing were better. This my wake up some. I can tell you that there will is going to be a real big shortage here. I can tell you trucks will be sitting too, $4000 for plates that is if you have a truck that is not outlawed? They have really done it big time here in CA. I can bet at least 50% of the owners have no idea what is going on. No notices or anything about these laws so they could pass them. I tried to get the union involved they were only concerned about the PM filter blocking the vision. We are now waiting for the other shoe to drop. Think of it now, look at the cost and all the regs. someone will need to go into business. This is as unAmerican as it gets. This is real bad for small business!
Little wonder that the California economy is on the verge of collapse. As someone who geographically very far from California, I wonder what I will have to pay for California's emission standards. First of all, a lot of our winter produce comes out of California. Consumers will pay for those standards dearly at various times of the year. Secondly, diesel engine manufacturers have a dilemma: they probably can't profitably build one type of engine just for the California market and one type for everyone else. They will likely produce one model that conforms to California emissions and force everyone else to buy it whether they need it or not.
A larger contractor today called me today reguarding work and we got on CARB topic and he said they have sold off a lot of equipment to conform to the new law. I asked him if he thought the state could enforce this, and he told me they got a $850.00 fine for not having a CARB sticker on a air compressor. I hope someone takes it into court on Constitutional Law, and they should hurry before any more court appointments!
The real kicker to all of this in California is that this state is already in a financial crisis. The cost to enforce these new laws has been calculated at 9 billion dollars. The state will have to start giving out heavy fines just to be able to fund the enforcement of this program. This has to be the stupidest state in the nation. Every day there is something new that boogles the mind. My dump truck is good for two more years, and my equipment is good for a few years past that. After that, I don't know what I will do. Staying in this state doesn't seem too likely.
Bob California infects the rest of the States. 6 weeks ago GM in Florida had to recall Florida GM vehicles because Florida adopted some of California CARB laws & rules. Now the cancer will spread to the rest of the states unless we all say NO WAY JOSE. Look CHP can't even do the BIT inspection, that was a safety issue, and now the fee has been raised, and it's a money making thing and the inspectors are all retireing. It may be the last "man" or (company) standing. Oh gee is that gender infraction? Probably cause I said it in California?
I just had my BIT inspection last month. The inspector told me he was retiring in a few months, so it would be the last time I would see him. Too bad since he was a really good guy. He was quite often an "expert witness" at trials involving big rig accidents and was always giving ways to protect yourself should you ever be in an accicent.
Well that's the same thing my inspector said last January 08. He was a good guy to and was real up set with the fact that this was doing a safety inspection and now the state had raised the fees just to make money.
$650 per unit Portable Reg. for 3 years! It all about money another fee to suck the life out of ad struggling industry. At this point I will not register my portable when we need it we will rent it. Because of the cost and different air districts I don't think I could comply anyway. Statewide Portable Equipment Registration Program FORM 1-A - Fee Calculation Worksheet (Auto-fill format. Use “Tab” or up/down arrows to enter information) Initial Registration (Three Years): # of units Fee Total 1. Portable engine registration and district inspection fee with no multiple engine discount (includes $5 placard fee) x $620 = 2. Portable engine registration and district inspection fee with multiple engine discount -- 4-9 engines to be inspected at same location (includes $5 placard fee) x $533.75= 3. Portable engine registration and district inspection fee with multiple engine discount -- 10+ engines to be inspected at same location (includes $5 placard fee) x $499.25= 4. Portable equipment unit with district inspection fee (includes $5 placard fee) (see definition of “equipment unit” in the instructions) x $350 = 5. Portable Engine Not Meeting Current Tier Standard --see Form 1-B to calculate fee (no multiple engine discount available) (includes $5 placard fee) x $ x $ x $ Replacement/Modification/Change of Ownership/Administrative Update: 6. Identical replacement (Use Form 7) x $75 = 7. Modification to registered portable engine or equipment unit (Use Form 7) x $75 = 8. Change of ownership per portable engine or equipment unit (Use Form 7) x $75 = 9. Change of ownership per portable engine in combination with renewal (Use Form 7). (If unit already has a placard, subtract $5) x $650 = 10. Change of ownership per portable engine in combination with renewal -- 4-9 engines to be inspected at same location. (Use form 7). (If unit already has a placard, subtract $5 for each unit) x $563.75 = 11. Change of ownership per portable engine in combination with renewal -- 10+ engines to be inspected at same location. (Use form 7). (If unit already has a placard, subtract $5 for each unit) x $529.25 = 12. Change of ownership per portable equipment unit in combination with renewal (Use Form 7). (If unit already has a placard, subtract $5) x $380 = 13. Update or change to registration documents with replacement documents (Use form 8) x $45 = 14. Replacement of existing registration documents (Use Form 8) x $45 = 15. Replacement of registration identification sticker or placard (Use Form 8) x $30 = 16. Administrative update without replacement documents (Use Form 8) No charge Registration, Renewal, and Annual Inspection Fees of Military Tactical Support Equipment (TSE): 17. For 1 to 25 units N/A $750 = 18. For each additional 50 units or portion thereof x $750 = 19. TSE annual inventory fee, 1-25 units N/A $375 = 20. For each additional 50 units or portion thereof x $375 = 21. TSE general district inspection fee per unit x $10 = TOTAL FEES $ Revised 3/2008 PERP Registration forms are available at www.arb.ca.gov/portable/perp/perp.htm (FORM 1-A) Form 1-A, Fee Calculation Worksheet, is intended to help applicants calculate fees for registration in the Statewide Portable Equipment Registration Program. This worksheet can be used for any combination of portable engines, portable equipment units, or military tactical support equipment. Replacement, Modification, Change of Ownership, and Administrative Update fees have also been included. Operational Three Year Registrations: Write the number of engines or equipment units to be registered as operational in the appropriate “# of Units” box. Multiply the number of units by the appropriate fee and write the product in the “TOTAL” box 1. Engine Registration Fees include a $270.00 PERP registration fee, a $345.00 district inspection fee per unit for participants not qualifying for a multiple engine inspection discount, and a $5 placard fee. 2. Engine Registration Fees include a $270.00 PERP registration fee, a $258.75 district inspection fee for participants qualifying for the 25% discount for four to nine engines to be inspected at same location, and a 5$ placard fee. 3. Engine Registration Fees include a $270.00 PERP registration fee, a $224.25 district inspection fee for participants qualifying for the 35% discount for ten or more engines to be inspected at same location, and a $5 placard fee. 4. Equipment Unit Registration fee includes a $270 PERP registration fee, a $75 district inspection fee, and a $5 placard fee. Please note that an equipment unit is a piece of equipment that has potential to produce dust during operation. Examples include abrasive blasting pots, crushing and screening units, rock drills, chippers, grinders, and concrete batch plants. Engines, on the other hand, produce exhaust gases during operation and are used to power generators, compressors, pumps, and equipment units. 5. For engines not meeting current tier standard, see Form 1-B to calculate the fees. Multiple engine discounts are not available for these engines. These fees include inspection fees and a $5 placard fee. Miscellaneous Fees: 6.-12. Submit Form 1 and Form 7 for replacements, modifications, or change of ownership requests. 13.-16. Submit Form 8 to request an administrative update and order replacement documents, stickers, or placards. An administration update not needing new documents has no charge. Military Tactical Support Equipment: Submit Form 4. 17.-18. A registration certificate is issued to each military installation, and includes all the military tactical support equipment located at the base at the time of registration. The registration fee is established by the number of tactical support equipment units at the military installation: $750.00 for the first 25 units, plus $750.00 for each additional 50 units or portion thereof. 19.-20 After initial registration, annual TSE inventory fees are $375 for 1-25 units plus $375 for each additional 50 units. 21. An annual district inspection fee of $10 is required for each unit being registered. Total Fees: Add the total fees for the entire Form 1-A and write the total in the box. If a Form 1 was required for your request, please write this total on Form 1 also. Revised 3/2008 PERP Registration forms are available at www.arb.ca.gov/portable/perp/perp.htm
I agree, it is all about money. I am signed up on most of the AQMD e-mail lists, and the stuff I read would boggle your mind. We have the "Smoke check" laws for trucks, and there are fines for not complying, which increase with your fleet size. The enforcement Nazis have started with public agencies, like city, county, public bus service, municipal garbage collection, and the like. I see fines weekly to these government agencies for non compliance with the smoke check. The fines are not for too much emissions, but for non complience with the documentation. The rules are so complex to keep track of, costly to implement, and MOSTLY UNKNOWN that these government agencies can't comply. What chance do us lowly contractors have. I see the registration charges for the portable equipment, and think now that we have had to register our off-road equipment, it is a short time untill there will be an annual registration fee. Just what we need. How will I pay for my 60 machines when only a handfull are working? I am quite sure the state will not care how.
I can not express to people how happy I am to be far gone from California's foolishness in CARB and the other agencies like them. The American dream there is gone, done, erased, due to overwhelming and constantly changing regulations and rulings. I do not miss the hassle!
I just read an interesting article on the upcoming 2010 diesel emission regs and it seems the equipment required to meet those regs will add about 2000 lbs. to the weight of the truck it is installed on, reducing that truck's payload capacity by a ton. This will be a significant expense to bulk haulers who commonly load right to the legal capacity. I used to haul blacktop on a ten wheel dump and carried 21 ton loads. With the emissions equipment installed, that would mean it would actually require 22 loads to move the same amount of material that was moved in 21 loads prior. I hauled about 8 loads a day, so every third day or so would mean an extra load to make the same money. I wonder if the additional fuel burned to make this extra load would offer more emissions or if total emissions would still be reduced due to the new equipment? Also mentioned in this article is that California will soon be requiring aerodynamic fairings be installed on heavy trucks in the name of fuel efficiency. This will mean even more additional weight. One hauler reported that after removing the fairings from an existing truck, he saved nearly 400 lbs in weight and actually saw a slight increase in fuel mileage due to the weight reduction with an insignificant increase in air drag. Apparently wind tunnel testing doesn't have the same results as real world use and truck company owners are finding ways on their own to increase efficiency. The haler quoted does significant research to reduce the weight of his trucks, thereby increasing payload and moving more material with the same amount of fuel. Government needs to get out of the way and allow the private sector to implement their own fuel saving ideas. Less fuel burned has to result in less emissions.
$65,700 fine for diesel truck emissions. Here we go, I am now on the mailing list of about 18 things that I could violate. Down at the end there is this phrase, while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. I don't think they know the economy has left the state. Central Valley Water Delivery for Agriculture has been cut to, because of a sucker fish, good by farm economy to! Robertson's Ready Mix fined for diesel truck emissions. Release 09-53 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Karen Caesar June 1, 2009 (626)575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov Southern California ready mix company fined $65,700 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Robertson’s Ready Mix $65,700 in May for diesel truck emissions violations during 2007 and 2008 at its Southern California facilities including.Los Angeles, San Bernardino, Riverside, Orange and San Diego Counties. An ARB investigation showed that the ready mix company failed to properly inspect their heavy-duty vehicle fleet. “Routine inspections guarantee that vehicles stay clean, meet California's air quality standards and protect public health,” said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. “Failing to perform these inspections can lead to an increase in air pollution.” The law requires annual smoke tests for diesel fleets and, in conjunction with ARB's roadside smoke inspection program, ensures that all vehicles are properly maintained, tamper-free and free from excessive smoke emissions. Robertson’s Ready Mix is required to: • Guarantee employees responsible for conducting the inspections attend a California community college training class on diesel emissions compliance testing and provide certificates of completion within one year; • Provide documentation to ARB that the inspections are being carried out for the next four years; • Ensure all of the company's heavy-duty diesel trucks have their software updated with the latest low-NOx (oxides of nitrogen emissions) programming; • Instruct vehicle operators to comply with the state's idling regulations; and, • Ensure that all diesel trucks are up to federal emissions standards for the vehicle model year and are properly labeled with an emission control label. Robertson’s Ready Mix will pay $65,700 in penalties: $49,275 will go to the California Air Pollution Control Fund for funding projects and research to improve California's air quality; the Peralta Community College District will receive $8,212.50 to fund emissions education classes conducted by participating California community colleges; and, the remaining $8,212.50 will go to the California Pollution Control Financing Authority which guarantees loans to off-road vehicle fleets that need to buy exhaust retrofits to comply with state regulations. Diesel exhaust contains a variety of harmful gases and over 40 other known cancer-causing compounds. In 1998, California identified diesel particulate matter as a toxic air contaminant based on its potential to cause cancer, premature death and other health problems. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB’s mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
Bus tour company fined $15,750 for diesel emissions violations. Bus tour company fined for diesel emissions violations. Release 09-54 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov June 1, 2009 Silver State Trailways cited $15,750 for diesel engine emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Silver State Trailways, a tour bus company based in Placentia, Calif., $15,750 this month for diesel engine emissions violations that occurred in 2007 and 2008. An ARB fleet audit found that the company had not been conducting the required annual emissions inspections on their heavy-duty diesel powered tour buses. “Annual inspections ensure that a company’s fleet is up to California’s clean air standards,” said ARB Chairman Mary Nichols. “The cost of the inspections is a small price to pay for human health.” As part of the settlement, Silver State must comply with the following: • Guarantee employees that are responsible for conducting the inspections attend a mandatory California Community College class on diesel emissions inspection procedures and provide certificates of completion within one year; • Provide documentation to ARB that the inspections are being carried out for the next four years; • Update all applicable engines in the fleet with the latest Low-NOx (oxides of nitrogen) software programming; and, • Ensure that all 1974 and newer diesel powered buses are up to federal emissions standards for the vehicle model year and are properly labeled with an engine certification label. The company will pay $15,750 in penalties: $11,812.50 will go to the California Air Pollution Control Fund, which provides funding for projects and research to improve California’s air quality; $1,968.75 to Peralta Community College District to fund emission education classes; and, the remaining $1,968.75 to the California Pollution Control Financing Authority. A decade ago, the ARB listed diesel particulate matter as a toxic air contaminant in order to protect public health. Exposure to diesel emissions can increase the risk of asthma, bronchitis and other respiratory diseases. California has aggressively worked to cut diesel emissions by cleaning up diesel fuel, requiring cleaner engines for trucks, buses and off-road equipment, and limiting unnecessary idling. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB’s mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
as far as i know i still hold the Australian record for the highest fine for a smoky exhaust, about 10 or 12 years ago when i owned western suburbs concrete my company was fined $28,000 plus the EPA legal costs of $7,000, i dont think any one has ever got a bigger fine in Australia for a smoky exhaust, it was a truck powered by a 210 horsepower CAT engine in good condition that blew a little black smoke under heavy load, they watched the truck going up a long, steep hill..
Darryl, I think you Californians need to call in Sarah Connor before your economy gets Terminated.
I am soooo glad I'm no longer involved in fleet maintenance supervision in California!
Pete, I was thinking about this today, as I was watching the smoke coming from the exhaust on our Volvo, by those standards, we would be up for about $100,000 a day. I can't belive you were fined that much for a small amount of smoke coming from a loaded truck. How do they assess the fine? Everywhere you go, trucks and buses produce some smoke, especially the older ones. If that was the fine 10 years ago, what sort of fines do they have now and how strict are the regulations? I am wondering, does this occur all the time, or did you just happen to cross paths with an over zealous EPA officer? We certainly don't have the same problems here, yet, no doubt they are coming. Rn'R.
I think it's 5 seconds for black smoke. I think it's 5 seconds for black smoke here in Calf. I used to get warning notice in the mail. They have made it so people report smoking exost, this causes a letter to be sent that your vehicle license number was spotted. We had at one time 4 GM 350 car diesels, built in the early '80 by Olds. and Cad. on the road. I have not got any in quit a wile. I have 1 car left. I gave several away because I was told that this is not a car lot by the wife, and I did not want to take money from the state for retireing the car. I just got a car buy offer from Calif. to buy my older vehicle from bankrupt state. This is the same bankrupt state that want the Fed to baile them out. Barney Frank is drafting the states bail out right now. Any state that takes the state bail out will be controlled by Fed. The fed directed by Obama administration has all ready directed Calif. to reinstate laid off government workers and pay cuts or loose Stimulus Money! Open Union Pay Back!
the maximum fine i could have received (for a company) was $110,000, dont know if it has gone up since then, a magistrate decides how much the fine is. the legislation is fairly loose, normally if your vehicle emits visible smoke for over 10 seconds and an epa officer sees you you get a fine ( infringment notice) in the mail for about $150, cant remember the exact amount.. they dont measure the smoke or video it, it is just the epa officers visual of it. the unfair part of it is if some one in the epa decides to take you to court rather than issue an infringment notice the fine goes from $150 to what ever the magistrate decides (up to a possible $110,000..) i had been in the readymix concrete industry (owning concrete plants and concrete trucks and tippers) for 25 years and never had a problem with the epa, then we got a new inspector who came and did an inspection of the concrete plant approx every 6 months, the best way to describe it is that we had a personality clash, he was an very unpleasant person, to properly describe him would get me banned from this site. i believe i was taken to court as a result of his actions. the crazy part about whether you get the $150 infringment notice or go to court facing a possible $110,00 is up to some pen pusher in an office, imagine if the same rules applied to say speeding, do 30 klms over the speed limit and a cop issues an on the spot fine for approx $300 and you lose 3 points, or some cop decides to take you to court where the maximum fine is $110,000 for the same offence. do i hate the epa YES!!!!!!!
we have our problems here darryl however it sounds like california is a whole lot worse as far as smoke, old engines and bankrupt states.
With a passion, no doubt. That is just not right, that one person can do that, because of a personality clash. I'm not sure how I would re-act in a situation like that. The EPA come around here checking on the local Hanson Quarry and concrete plant, but we are off the beaten track, so fortunately we do not see them and I have never heard of anyone out here being cautioned or fined for excessive smoke. Darryl, I thought we were becoming over regulated, but since being here on the Forum, I have been amazed at the amount of regulation in the US, affecting just about everything you do, so I guess we still have it pretty easy out here, well for the time being, anyway. Rn'R.
Is it that you boys are genetically directed to avoidance of proper implementation of the correct legislation on that island? As yet we up here havent gone down the heavy handed air pollution route but every truck and car is tested annually unless its a historic and then it is exempt. Our epa is afraid to go after our biggest polluters here as they are mostly semi state organisations,but will rape any member of the agri,forest community for a minor /modest breach of the regulations ,a classic reg here is the spreading of cow's manure you cannot spread it on land after the 15 of Oct or before the 15 of Jan,as it may pose a run off risk ,so all animal by products have to be stored .Since the implementation of these rules the weather in Oct/Nov and Dec has been relatively drier than January but woe be tie you if you venture out to spread it massive fines etc etc but come the day in Jan and it could be milling down rain but off you go and they wont say boo to you I have seen people spreading manure through locks of water in fields in January but it ok according to the gurus
Subscribe to the ARB's email notifications, it will make you sick to your stomach. I have watched them fine their own cities and counties. The California ARB is like a state funded Mafia. Watch your back.....
the fines for blowing smoke are pretty ridiculous compared to a lot of other offences, however it seems from reading this forum most countries/states/counties have some sort of over the top ridiculous penalties for seemingly mild offences, NSW australia may not be the easiest place but it is certainly not the worst, california anti pollution laws sound very frightening, i like california, have been there many times, glad i dont run trucks or earthmoving machinery there.
That's right Stock, it goes back to how we came to be here in the first place. Old traditions die hard. Rn'R.
And now, they just let anybody in... ... :lmao OCR...
I think its time for a revolution. I would go on but Im sure I wold get banned!:usa
Yep, even you would be welcome, OCR. :OMG :falldownlaugh Rn'R.
In Use Off Road Diesel Regulation Outline In Use Off Road Diesel Regulation Outline. These kind of laws happen when unelected people (Zarrs) are allowed to create laws. This is not what made America great.
it is hard to believe thay are doing that .i hope those regulations never come to australia.
Unless people become aware that this is not needed and is a means of control and say NO it will spread.
IIRC, Deere has spent more developing IT4 and T4 engines than it has on any other project....ever.
AutoZone Settlement Totals $90,000 AutoZone Settlement Totals $90,000 AutoZone West fined for selling non certified aftermarket catalytic converters . Air Resources Board Release 09-58 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov June 24, 2009 AutoZone Settlement Totals $90,000 SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board reached a settlement with AutoZone West, Inc. for $90,000 in March for selling non certified aftermarket catalytic converters from AutoZone stores in California. An ARB investigation showed that AutoZone, headquartered in Memphis, TN, sold non-certified catalytic converters from its California stores between January and March of 2009. “Vehicle emissions are the main contributor of smog-forming pollutants in California,” said Chairman Mary D. Nichols. “Automotive retailers are required to stock products that meet California’s clean air goals.” As of January 1, 2009, all new aftermarket catalytic converters sold or installed in California must be able to comply with certification emissions standards for five years or 50,000 miles. Manufacturers must first demonstrate through emission testing that the catalytic converters meet the required performance levels and obtain ARB approval before they can legally offer units for sale in California. AutoZone paid $90,000 in penalties to the California Air Pollution Control Fund for funding projects and research to improve California's air quality. In addition to the penalties, AutoZone took quick action to remove any remaining non-certified product from its California stores, and it is enhancing its restricted product system to prevent similar violations in the future. California's air quality measures are in place to prevent excessive emissions that can negatively affect public health. Ozone, also known as smog, can cause difficulty breathing, shortness of breath, coughs, heightened asthma rates, cardiopulmonary ailments and premature deaths. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB’s mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
Ocean-going ships off California's coast must use clean fuel! California gets a lot of stuff like Crude OIL, and container shipping. If these ships choose not to port here prices could jump, and shortages happen over night! Seattle, or Portland would be happy for the business, and just add extra freight charges for trucks or trains. Ships use low cost bunker that has more BTU's. This should be very interesting to see what happens. Governor Schwarzenegger's comment on regulation added to previous press release. Release 09-62 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 1, 2009 Dimitri Stanich 916-322-2825 916-716-8047 cell www.arb.ca.gov Starting today ocean-going ships off California's coast must use clean fuel Requirement will reduce exhaust and annually prevent thousands of premature deaths SACRAMENTO: Beginning today, July 1, all ocean-going vessels within 24 nautical miles of California's coastline must use cleaner burning diesel fuel in order to comply with a new state regulation aimed at reducing the emissions of oxides of sulfur and nitrogen and diesel particulate matter, a known carcinogen. "This new measure will help coastal residents breathe easier and reduce pollution in our oceans and waterways at the same time," Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said. The requirement, adopted in 2008, will annually affect nearly 2,000 ocean-going vessels, both U.S. flagged and foreign-flagged, visiting California. The vessels will have to use lower-sulfur marine distillates rather than the highly polluting heavy-fuel oil often called bunker fuel. "This comparatively simple switch for ships will have huge benefits for Californians," said Air Resources Board Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "People living along the coast will see benefits overnight: cleaner air and better health." Using the cleaner fuels will be phased in, but significant emission reductions will be immediate. Initially, 13 tons-per-day of toxic particulate matter emitted from the vessels' diesel engines will be eliminated. Reductions will increase as the fuel sulfur content is progressively lowered through the regulation's phase-in. Today's switch will eliminate about a 75 percent of the diesel PM, over 80% of the sulfur oxides and 6 percent of the nitrogen oxides. In 2012, when the very low sulfur fuel is required, reductions of diesel particulate matter will be 15 tons daily, an 83 percent reduction compared to uncontrolled emissions. Sulfur oxides will be reduced by 140 tons daily, a 95 percent reduction and nitrogen oxides will be reduced by 11 tons per day, a 6 percent reduction. Reducing ship exhaust will eliminate an estimated 3,600 premature deaths between 2009 and 2015 and lower the cancer risk by over 80 percent. In addition, the emission reductions will assist the South Coast Air Quality Management District meet its 2014 federal clean air requirements for fine particulate matter. The reductions are also needed for ARB to achieve its targeted 85 percent reduction of diesel PM by 2020. Air board representatives explain that the regulation is extremely cost effective. The fuel is readily available and complying with the regulation would typically add $30,000 to a California port visit, roughly one percent of the typical fuel costs for a vessel crossing the Pacific Ocean. The shipping industry maintains that a typical voyage for a container vessel from Asia to U.S. west coast costs a company two to three million dollars. For a container ship with consumer products, this cost increase equates to an extra 12.5 cents in the cost of a plasma TV. For a cruise ship passenger, using industry's numbers, this would add about $15 to a fare. Diesel exhaust contains a variety of harmful gases and over 40 other known cancer-causing substances. Currently, diesel PM emissions from ocean-going vessels expose over seven million people in California to high cancer risk levels in excess of 100 in a million for lifetime exposures. In 2000, the ARB developed its Diesel Risk Reduction Plan that set the goal of cutting diesel emissions by 85 percent by 2020. The plan includes a series of measures designed to achieve that goal. As part of that plan the Board has adopted measures that require the use of low sulfur diesel fuel in most applications statewide, tighter tailpipe limits on in-use diesel trucks and buses and to control emissions from port equipment and ships operating in California waters. For more information on the new regulation covering vessels go here: http://www.arb.ca.gov/ports/marinevess/marinevess.htm . For more information on ARB's efforts to address diesel emissions go here: http://www.arb.ca.gov/diesel/diesel.htm . The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB's mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
I have a question...How would anything in this country get accomplished without diesel engines? I'm all for "going green" but the people in charge (them, they) need to provide a viable alternative that is cost effective but still provides equivalent horsepower to current engines. Do we not have scientists for this type of work? I work with my hands but would gladly operate a machine that cost less and did less "suppossed harm".
I predict a large expansion of port facilities South of us in Mexican waters so the shipping companies can bypass much of the new rules. Then the dirty air will be someone elses problem. It always comes to $$$$. If it is cheaper to go somewhere else than to comply, that is what will happen. More port jobs soon to be going away I am afraid.
Dispatch Trans. fined $22,875 for emissions violations Dispatch Transportation, Inc., failed to conduct diesel truck smoke tests Air Resources Board Release 09-69 July 28, 2009 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov Fontana company fined $22,875 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board last week fined a Fontana, Calif. heavy-duty diesel fleet $22,875 for failing to inspect its diesel trucks for compliance with the state’s smoke emissions standards. ARB investigators found that Dispatch Transportation, Inc., failed to conduct diesel truck smoke tests in 2007 and 2008, as required by state law. “To be competitive in today’s economy, being a green business is essential,” said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. “Proprietors who think business-as-usual means bypassing California clean air laws are making a reputation as dirty dealers.” Under the penalty, Dispatch Transportation must: • Ensure that staff responsible for compliance with the diesel truck emission inspection program attend diesel education courses and provide certificates of completion within one year; • Instruct vehicle operators to comply with the state’s idling regulations; • Complete heavy-duty diesel engine software and control technology upgrades in compliance with regulations; • Supply all smoke inspection records to ARB for the next four years; and, • Properly label engines to ensure compliance with the engine emissions certification program regulations. The California Air Pollution Control Fund, established to mitigate various sources of pollution through education and the advancement and use of cleaner technology, will receive $17,156.25; $2,859.37 will go to the Peralta Community College District to fund diesel education classes; and, the remaining $2,859.38 to the California Air Pollution Control Financing Authority. Failure to inspect diesel vehicles can lead to an increase in harmful airborne particles that Californians breathe. In 1998, the ARB listed diesel particulate matter as a toxic air contaminant in order to protect public health. Exposure to unsafe levels of diesel emissions can increase the risk of asthma, bronchitis and other respiratory diseases. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB’s mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards. The energy challenge facing California is real. Every Californian needs to take immediate action to reduce energy consumption. For a list of simple ways you can reduce demand and cut your energy cost, see our web site at http://www.arb.ca.gov A good way to do this is say home and live off the government hand out!
Keep in mind these fines are not about trucks that actually ARE poluting too much, only about the lack of proper documentation that they were tested. If this had anything to do with ACTUALLY clearing the air, they would only fine people if they tested the trucks and they were out of spec and putting out too much smoke. Reality has nothing to do with this program, it is all about $$$, and the state can find more pockets to pick by clerical mistakes than actual mistakes.
New CARB WEB site! The Truck Stop at is a new CARB web program to see if there is funding or compliance issues. http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truckstop/diesel/reveal.php My Results were, 0! According to your information you may need to upgrade your diesel equipment. Review the regulations and funding assistance in the table below to see if they apply to you. * Speak to an ARB diesel representative about regulations and funding opportunities: (866) 6DIESEL (1-866-634-3735) from 8 a.m.-5 p.m. Mon.-Fri or email at [email protected] . The following regulations may affect your truck: Regulation Basic Regulatory Requirements Funding Assistance Options Heavy-Duty Vehicle Inspection Program (HDVIP) Applies to heavy-duty diesel vehicles traveling in California. Random roadside inspections of excessive smoke, tampering, and emission control label compliance. More Information None Idling Reduction Program Applies to commercial motor vehicles (trucks and buses) over 10,000 lbs. gross vehicle weight rating, including sleeper berth trucks during periods of sleep and rest. Limits idling to five (5) minutes within California borders. Shorter idling limits apply to the operation of every school bus, transit bus, school pupil activity bus, youth bus, general public paratransit vehicle, and other commercial motor vehicles when within a school zone. More Information None Periodic Smoke Inspection Program (PSIP) Applies to all California based fleets with two or more vehicles. Must perform annual smoke and tamper inspections of their fleet vehicles and repair those with excessive smoke emissions. Smoke inspection and maintenance records must be kept for two years. More Information None Truck and Bus Regulation Applies to trucks and buses over 14,000 lbs gross vehicle weight rating, certain shuttle buses, and certain yard trucks. Reporting requirements start in 2011. Performance requirements between 2011and 2023. Small fleets are exempt from clean up requirements until 2014. By January 1, 2023 all vehicles must have a 2010 model year engine or equivalent. Truck-tractors (GVWR over 33,000 lbs.) entering ports and intermodal rail yards must comply with the Drayage Truck Regulation until 2021. Starting in 2021, they must comply with the Truck and Bus Regulation. More Information Yes Emission Control Label Inspection Program Applies to all heavy-duty diesel commecial vehicles operating in California. Requires engine label, called an Emission Control Label, showing that the engine meets the required federal emission standards applicable for the model year of the engine. More Information None Vehicles and engines found out of compliance with applicable regulations may be subject to civil penalties. Penalties accessed may be up to $10,000 per day. Is funding assistance available to upgrade my equipment? None Funding assistance is limited, but it may be available. To find out if you qualify for financial assistance: Review the Funding Assistance options available in the above table, or go to the Funding Assistance Page. * Speak to an ARB diesel representative about regulations and funding opportunities: (866) 6DIESEL (866-634-3735) or
About everything that can be said regarding this issue has been laid out here, but one thought i haven't seen is the idea that after you spend the added 30 or 40 grand to upgrade to the latest emission technology, that old 1995 machine that worked just fine will continue to operate in another country by a new owner. The EPA has to understand that China and India are quite happy to produce the smog for you. You don't have to do it yourselves. And at the rate the EPA is going, you wont be doing anything for yourselves. You don't produce much emissions on welfare. I will say this though. I own several new diesel engines. It is amazing how little fuel they burn, and how clean the oil stays. Seems to me tier 3 is good enough. Leave the particulate filters on the shelf.
August 1 deadline for CARB reporting. This is a reminder of the August 1 deadline for all small fleets to report their in-use off-road diesel vehicles to ARB. You are receiving this email because you signed up for the off-road (ordiesel) email list. The preferred method for reporting is using the online reporting system (DOORS) https://secure.arb.ca.gov/ssldoors/doors_reporting/reporting.php Instructions for using paper forms to report are also available on this web page. Note that if you have entered your fleet data in DOORS, but not selected “Request Review” in DOORS, your data is not yet submitted. You must request a review prior to 11:59 PM on August 1, 2009, to meet the deadline. The option to request a review is on the second dropdown menu immediately after logging in to DOORS; it is the very last option below “Enter fleet data online”. Requesting review sends your information to ARB staff; they will review the data and assign Equipment Identification Numbers (EINs) to your fleet. EINs must be placed on your vehicles within 30 days of receiving your EINs. If you have already requested a review, or received EINs, please disregard this email. If you have questions, please email [email protected] , or call (877) 59-DOORS. Large or medium fleets should have reported and requested a review by April 1, 2009, and June 1, 2009, respectively, but if they have not, ARB staff strongly encourages them to do so as soon as possible.
The only thing left is to register your firearms!
What is going on in the U.S. Seems like we are getting more government rules then we can handle! It has prevented Diesel cars from being sold in quantities in the U.S. Also Diesel Fuel was higher then regular gas until recently. I can only visualize that the people making the rules care nothing about our economy. Meanwhile the rest of the world that export to us do not have to follow the same regulations.
It has also been stated that if nothing is done in respect to not to not force retirement of equipment, or scrap it. The same levels would be attained in 3 years. That was before we lost all the work. Remember we still have NO real energy policy. What happened in the second world war, the allies took out German refinery's, cut off gas and diesel that shut the Germans war machine down. This is in fact what is going on right now, we are being shut down from within our own Government's. Oh yes Calif. says they are the leader. Yes, Leading lams to slaughter.
Lawrie You think you have problems, Here in Australia the gov is pushing ahead with a carbon sceem that will eliminate coal burning,will not even consider nuclear fuel and wants the alluminuim industry out.Lawrie
Irk Do you have any hard information on this to share with us? I would think something that serious would be widely known
Lawrie Jerry, its called :the carbon polution reduction sceem" all industries that produce carbon will be taxed on there carbon emissions, hence coal fired power stations, alluminuim smelters, mines, God only knows what these workers will do,the estimate is 80,000 jobs to go just from mining industy alone,BUT the gov will creat 50,000 green jobs,these turn out to be only work experience jobs for a max of 26 weeks planting trees. I,m sure once the unoins realize what it will cost they will apose it , Lawrie
as i understand it there will be a tax on carbon pollution which will mean goods and services that create carbon pollution will have to pay a tax, the result will be some things will cost slightly more, EG. electricity produced by burning coal.who knows how many (if any ) jobs will be lost, all sorts of people are making all kinds of predictions on job losses, as for the unions opposing it i doubt whether that will make any difference, the government is making the decisions.
Why carbon tax could cost us Wednesday July 29 2009 OF the various new taxes expected to be proposed in the report of the Commission on Taxation, to be presented to government in a few weeks, the so-called carbon tax may prove to be the most politically sensitive. The carbon tax is a fundamental demand of the Greens in government. The party's chairman, Dan Boyle, has sought a review of government policies, speaking of too many continuing "policy errors" and perhaps he sees the carbon tax, already postponed twice, as one of these. Nevertheless, it could be argued that the imposition of a tax on fuel in the midst of an economic crisis seems somewhat perverse. It will affect the price of home-heating oil, electricity and gas, even the humble peat briquette. It will drive up the price of other goods because of increased transport costs. Some measures might be expected to protect the vulnerable, particularly where home-heating costs are concerned, but there will be no escape at the petrol pumps. Dublin Bus would pay an extra €1.8m in carbon tax each year and Iarnrod Eireann is already talking about fare increases. In a report today, the Economic and Social Research Institute predicts that a carbon tax would raise about €500m a year, but sensibly suggests that this should not go to Government coffers. Rather the money should be used to reduce income tax rates and PRSI levies to help restore the country's competitiveness. The Commission on Taxation is also expected to urge the neutralisation of carbon levies by reducing income tax. Why then introduce a carbon tax at all, especially if it will have no effect on the State's finances? The government has set us a target. We are to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 3pc a year until 2012. If we fail to meet our Kyoto targets, the taxpayer faces fines running into hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of euro in carbon credits By taxing fossil fuels, the Government hopes to discourage their use, thereby reducing our exposure to sanctions in the future. It is a bizarre scenario, and the Government should heed the ESRI's advice, and perhaps that of the Commission on Taxation, and move to minimise the impact of a carbon tax on competitiveness and on personal misery. Taken from the Irish Independent
that sums it up well stock,governments make decisions to win votes..
MotorCycle dealers fined $268,000 not certified in Cal. Release 09-72 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 13, 2009 Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov ARB investigation leads to $1.875 million judgment against Viva Motor Sports, Inc. for selling non-California certified vehicles Sacramento - Thanks to an investigation launched by the ARB in 2006, the Los Angeles County Superior Court in June issued a $1.875 million judgment against several companies for importing and selling non-California certified motorcycles and off-road recreational vehicles. Defendants in the case include Viva Motor Sports, Inc., of Los Angeles, along with DEC 26, Inc., BH Motorsports, Inc., Nitro Motorsports, Inc, and their associated businesses, all based in the Los Angeles area. "There are plenty of great motorcycles that meet clean air standards. Most dealers know this and carry only bikes that have their California smog certificate. Those who try to cut corners put themselves in a lose-lose situation," said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Violators pay penalties and damage their reputations while putting public health at risk." The companies will pay a total of $268,000 and the balance of the fine will be stayed, pending no further violations. In addition, the defendants are permanently enjoined from acquiring, offering for sale, or selling uncertified motor vehicles for use, registration, or resale in California and falsely representing that a vehicle is certified. During routine inspections of area retail establishments in 2006, ARB investigators observed a variety of all-terrain vehicles and on-road motorcycles for sale that were not certified to California's strict emissions standards. Investigators traced the models to their importers, Viva Motor Sports, and the other cited companies. Hundreds of the vehicles had already been sold to California residents. While many purchasers returned them for refunds, those who chose to keep them are subject to "registration stops" which prevent future registration in California. Vehicles that do not meet California's tough emission requirements create higher amounts of smog-forming pollutants, which can then exacerbate respiratory ailments and negatively affect other health conditions. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB's mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards.
WWW.KILLCARB.ORG Tea party in sacramento on the 28th i plan on being there
Dualie Great find. I will be sure to spread the word. Maybe it is not too late yet???
God willing its not. IM looking at getting some signs made for my trucks i just haven't settled on what i want them to say yet. The more people we can get there the better. I think we have ONE CHANCE to let them know were serious that the family's of California simply cannot shoulder the burden that AB32 would create on them. The cost is simply to great to do nothing.
August 1 deadline for CARB reporting, a total failure. Dualie thank you for finding and posting killcarb.org I am email others about. The CARB August 1, 2009 dead line has been a total failure. As of August 1, 2009 only 6000 contractors are legal. Does this mean the brown shirt's will ignore the violations by unregistered, UN-CERTIFIED CONTRACTORS? With a bankrupt state I think not, but who knows. CARB has caused so much equipment to leave the state that is not going to be replaced. We are now have 3 world reasources thanks to Cal.EPA, Carb. Does anyone know what is going on with the trucks. I have been told so many things and I cannot what is the real law on it. Frankly I think the industry is shutdown it could hold up the brown shirts of the Cal. EPA, CARB programs. But who knows, if we can wake up people. Our industry still has very few that think they have to comply with off road diesel regs.
My local Cat dealer told me that only 10% of the largest contractors werre registered and legal. If CARB were to get serious enforcing it, so many contractors would go under that most work would grind to a halt. Not that there is much work left to stop anyway.
Here is some more in case anyone still wonders why the state of Kalifornia is broke. One gestapo minded public?? agency fining another. All California diesel fleets must be regularly examined for emissions compliance. Release 09-73 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 18, 2009 Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov City of Fresno to pay up to $1 million for new diesel vehicles City also fined $49,250 for diesel emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board last week fined the city of Fresno $49,500 for diesel emissions violations at multiple fleet centers and entered into a settlement that will bring the city\'s fleet of diesel vehicles into compliance with state regulations ahead of the mandated schedule. ARB investigators found that the city had not been testing, measuring, recording, and maintaining the records of their on-road vehicle fleet\'s diesel smoke emissions. \"The city of Fresno went through extraordinary steps to resolve these violations and work with us to craft an effective settlement that will provide cleaner air for its residents,\" said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. \"This settlement not only remedies the violations but goes much further to reduce emissions from the city\'s off-road fleet ahead of ARB\'s regulatory timeline.\" Under the settlement, the city must: * Ensure that staff responsible for compliance with the diesel truck emissions inspection program attend California Community College diesel education courses and provide certificates of completion within one year; * Instruct on and off-road vehicle operators to comply with the state\'s idling regulations; * Complete heavy-duty diesel engine software and control technology upgrades in compliance with regulations; * Supply all smoke emissions inspection records to ARB for the next four years; * Confirm that all engines are properly labeled to ensure compliance with the engine emissions certification program regulations; * Retire eight off-road heavy duty vehicles by March 1, 2010 and replace them with new vehicles at an estimated cost of $400,000 in order to comply with the 2011 requirement one year early; and, * Pending budget approval, retire an additional seven to 12 off-road vehicles by March 1, 2011 and replace them with new vehicles at an estimated cost of $350,000 to $600,000 in order to comply with the 2013 regulatory requirement two years early. In addition, the city is not allowed to apply for any funding from the Carl Moyer Memorial Air Quality Standards Attainment Program for early compliance with the off-road vehicle rule. The California Air Pollution Control Fund, established to mitigate various sources of pollution through education and the advancement and use of cleaner technology, will receive $36,937.50 of the $49,500 fine; $6,156.25 will go to the Peralta Community College District to fund diesel education classes conducted by California Community Colleges statewide; and, the remaining $6,156.25 to the California Air Pollution Control Financing Authority to guarantee low interest loans for fleets purchasing diesel exhaust retrofits or new engines or vehicles. Failure to inspect diesel vehicles can lead to an increase in harmful airborne particles that Californians breathe. In 1998, the ARB listed diesel particulate matter as a toxic air contaminant in order to protect public health. Exposure to diesel emissions can increase the risk of asthma, bronchitis and other respiratory diseases. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB\'s mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards. The energy challenge facing California is real. Every Californian needs to take immediate action to reduce energy consumption. For a list of simple ways you can reduce demand and cut your energy cost, see our web site at http://www.arb.ca.gov #####
And the sad part is CARB wouldnt CARE
Some Dealers gave out wrong info, why? I was working in Wilton, CA just before the cut off and a contractor, rancher told me what his dealer told him, it was wrong. I told him what the off road law was and helped him and his brother register. I have another friend that I forgot to contact, CARB would not register a '96 580 SL. before August 1, cut off. That was wrong too!, and the guy bought a new Case 590 M from the RENO store for about 20K cheaper that the store in Stockton offered the machine to him for it was the same machine and the guy had demo it at Stockton, dealers arn't selling maybe Case will be like Cat and start an auction? That way the US can redistribute new construction equipment to the 3rd world quicker, that will make smiley happy as we bleed out. I have another friend that had no problem registering a '95 Case 580 SL. Both '95-96 had tier 1 engines.
California in 5 years? There will some contractors left, maybe?
I said F IT and im refusing to register anything. I know several guys doing the same thing i am. We all feel if they actually get this gestapo plan to action all registering the equipment will do is let them know where to find it. F-EM. They can work to find it.
The only problem with no registering is $10,000 per day per machine if carb find it operating. I think you might be playing with fire. That could work for a wile but some do good-er that registered will be turning you in I am afraid. If we all were all to organize on road and off road union non-union there would be enough power and money to make a point of what has happened and a backlash to reverse this could take place. CARB can or will fund this with fines. No telling how much to renew each year, I think that is going to be another killer drain on what money we will have next year.
Out reach to Indian Truck Drivers Truck and Bus Regulation Fact Sheets in Punjabi Language. We have posted several fact sheets in Punjabi language. They are the Overview of Truck and Bus Regulation, the Health Benefits, the Small Fleet Provision, and the Agricultural Vehicles Provision. These fact sheets can be viewed at: http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onrdiesel/documents.htm . Only in California, The people that speak NATURAL Born and speak English do not know what is going on so lets treat the immigrants a whole lot better. They will not push them guess why?
Calif. Smog, Big Brother's Plan, It's Comming: Copied from DarrylMuellers link: Seems to be a contradiction in terms here... Or, maybe it's another brilliant one of these: OCR
http://www.killcarb.org/news.html HELL IT MIGHT BE WORKING!!!! Im going to DEFINITELY be in Sacramento on the 28th for this Tea party! If we push hard enough and loud enough we might actually get this state back on track. and as far as playing with fire... You cant get blood from a turnip. And if it comes down to it im just going to fake some numbers to look like their registered.
IF you want a REAL EYE OPENER!!! read this little document about the man that proposed and submitted these regulations http://www.killcarb.org/Tran.Fax-Apr-24-2009-09-47-51-16351.pdf
http://www.killcarb.org/rally smith flyer.pdf heres a flyer to the tea party convoy
Calif. Smog, Big Brother's Plan, It's Comming: Holy, you know what!!!... keep digging Dualie. If the credibility of these people, that work for government agencies, can be undermined; the least it can do, is cause a delay in the implementation of these stupid and idiotic rules. This stuff is junk science at it's worst. OCR
There are several problems facing contractors related to this CARB BS. Some owners have demanded all non registered machines be removed from their property. My largest customer did this. Fortunately I got registered the day of the deadline. Most government projects will have the registration numbers checked out by the agency inspector on site. CHP is supposed to check equipment moved through scales. Thanks to the awareness of the CARB regulations, but lacking detailed understanding (who does anyway) some city, county, and other agencies are coming up with other neat roadblocks as part of the permit process for new projects. One job I have been working on for several years has another phase. Lead agency now says all equipment used for new phase must be 2006 or newer???? 2005 not good enough, even though it is identical to the 2006 model??? Another job says all equipment must be tier 3 One more says tier 2 or no work. Yet another one says no tier 0 machines. All the rules CARB put in are out the window when every city, county, water district, power company, etc. have their own rules, and none of them match. Basically in CA if you can't afford brand new iron, you will suffer. This kind of action will kill small businesses, and usher in the huge, well funded corporations.
Sounds like California has gone off the rails. The bureaucrats have gone insane. It's no wonder Americans abhor big government.
I have been following this thread quite closely, thinking I am glad that I do not operate equipment in California, I just can not believe some of the things I am reading. We do not have anything like those restrictions and I am thinking it will never get that bad here. Well have look at what appeared in our daily paper today. "In Parliament during debate over greenhouse gas emission targets and the environment, Mr Rann regularly compares his environmental credentials to those of Mr Schwarzenegger and will be able to discuss the issue with him. South Australia has passed legislation to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in SA, mirroring laws in California. In March last year, Mr Rann talked about his desire to meet the former action film star. "It is interesting about meeting Arnie," he told Parliament in March, 2007. "I hope that later this year I will get a chance to meet Arnold Schwarzenegger." Mr Rann compared himself to the former Mr Universe by talking about his brief acting stints in movies since he was elected Premier. "We have almost parallel careers," he said." And then this: "While national governments can sign protocols, it is the states like California and South Australia that will do the heavy lifting on the issue," Mr Rann said. "It is leaders like the Governor and the Canadian premiers, as well as the South Australian Government, that have determined the rate and extent of reform on climate change." Mr. Rann is the premier of South Australia and he met with Arnie today. Do you think we could be in a bit of strife? Rn'R.
More like the lunatics have taken over the asylum....
i too have been following this thread R&R, if i was in SA i would also be nervous about the premier meeting arnie, luckily the govt, in NSW is in so much trouble they dont have time to consider stuff like this, the opposition are not much ( if any ) better so i reckon we have at least 10 or 20 years here before any future govts. in NSW will be implementing these crazy policies.
Well Pete, we can only hope that his aspirations to be a "movie star" are stronger than his aspirations to reform climate change. Rn'R.
yeah, lets hope so. it's hard to believe this insanity is really happening in california..
Don't be led into a false sense of security, if the governments both in or out of parliament are as equally incompetent then I would be very nervous ,it is at times like this that the radical zealots gain support from sane peoplle who want to give the " so called establishment "a lambasting in the polls and when they the green zealots gain the balance of power the main stream parties will prostitute themselves to hold on to their tenuious position of power. Given this opportunity the rampaging green zealots and leaf licker's put a strangle hold on a state or country using a previous misguided state to justify their goals.California is now completely in this mire of regulation and beauracticity and is slowly but surely being sucked into bankruptcy under this guise with the greens worldwide now advocating that we must all strive to be like "California " but I don't think that is a feasible way for any government to lead it people. In other threads here we all have slated other countries for their ability to produce goods a segnificently reduced cost and in the process they have decimated their environment,I am not an advocate of this practice and do believe that the world is a finite fragile piece of rock that we must care for,all anyone of us want is a level playing field with the same restrictions applied equally to everyone. My wife job has just emigrated to a economy that has laxer emissions and waste controls than here which results in a higher profit for the corporate body.
I asked, in another thread, about CARB, and whether it enjoys the support of the voters there in the state. (And yes, before anybody bothers to correct me, I know they're appointees, not elected, but my point then was that the people who do the appointing do have to respond to the wishes of the voters.) If I recall correctly, the consensus was that, unfortunately, the voters of California do support what CARB is about. I sincerely feel badly for all of you out there that have to put up with this, and suspect that you may be right in that it's going to kill the little guys off. A lot of them anyway. At the same time, there's plenty of work that is too small for the big corporations to be interested in, and either somebody's going to do it, at a profit , or it's not going to get done. The end result of that is that the pain that those of the green persuasion are causing will come back to them and be taken out of their wallets. Good for the survivors; bad for those who fall. It behooves the rest of us to pay close attention to the outcome, because in essence, California is serving as the "guinea pig" for that model of government/business interaction. Let's all hope that some sensible level of compromise is the end result...
Yeah, they have a bad habit of adopting Carb standards for the rest of the country a few years down the road. This just keeps raising the costs for everyone with minimal return.
Even if you don't live in California i urge you to send a message to CARB here http://www.arb.ca.gov/lispub/comm/bcsubform.php?listname=truckbus08&comm_period=1 If you think this is a "California problem" then do nothing about it. But don't come here for sympathy when it spreads to your state.
Coachella Valley construction company fined $31,950 Release 09-82 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 9, 2009 Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov Coachella Valley construction company fined $31,950 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined Dateland Construction Co., Inc $31,950 last month for emissions violations during 2007 and 2008. An ARB investigation showed Dateland Construction, based in Indio, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel trucks as required by California law. "Inspection and maintenance costs for a diesel truck fleet are far cheaper than paying penalties," said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Public health suffers the consequences when a company ignores clean-air laws." Annual smoke emissions tests are required for diesel truck fleets, in conjunction with ARB's roadside smoke inspection program; the law ensures that all vehicles are properly maintained, tamper-free and free from excessive smoke emissions. As part of the settlement, Dateland Construction is required to: * Guarantee employees responsible for conducting the inspections attend a training class on diesel emissions compliance testing and provide certificates of completion within one year; * Provide documentation to ARB that the inspections are being carried out for the next four years; * Ensure all heavy-duty diesel vehicles have their software updated with the latest low-NOx (oxides of nitrogen emissions) programming; * Instruct vehicle operators to comply with the state's idling regulations; and, * Ensure all diesel truck engines are up to federal emissions standards for the vehicle model year and are properly labeled with an emission control certification label. Dateland Construction agreed to pay $31,950 in penalties: $23,962.50 will go to the California Air Pollution Control Fund for projects and research to improve California's air quality. The Peralta Community College District will receive $3,993.75 to fund emissions education classes conducted by participating California community colleges; and, the remaining $3,993.75 will go to the California Pollution Control Financing Authority which guarantees loans to off-road vehicle fleets that need to buy exhaust retrofits to comply with state regulations.
Anaheim waste hauler fined $85,000 for emissions violations Diesel fleet owners are required to inspect and document trucks for emissions compliance. Release 09-81 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 9, 2009 Karen Caesar (626) 575-6728 www.arb.ca.gov Anaheim waste hauler fined $85,000 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined Anaheim Trucking $85,000 in July for diesel emissions violations. An ARB investigation showed Anaheim Trucking, based in Anaheim, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel vehicles during 2005 and 2006. The company also failed to comply with the solid waste collection vehicle rule by neglecting to install proper emission-reduction devices, required by law. "Companies that ignore clean air requirements must pay the price," said Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Controlling diesel emissions is a top priority to protect the air we breathe." ARB offered Anaheim Trucking an opportunity to settle the violations for $50,500; the company rejected it. Their actions led ARB to file a complaint with the State Attorney General's office. Subsequently, the case was settled for $85,000. If Anaheim Trucking fails to comply with the regulations, an additional $115,000 will be added to the penalty. As part of the settlement, Anaheim Trucking is required to: * Guarantee employees responsible for conducting the inspections attend a training class on diesel emissions compliance testing and provide certificates of completion within one hundred and twenty (120) days; * Comply with all Periodic Smoke Inspection Program (PSIP) requirements; * Retrofit the appropriate number of solid waste collection vehicles with the best available control technology; and, * Comply with all requirements applicable to solid waste collection vehicles. Anaheim Trucking will pay $85,000 in penalties: $68,000 will go to the California Air Pollution Control Fund for projects and research to improve California's air quality. The Peralta Community College District will receive $8,500 to fund emissions education classes conducted by participating California community colleges; and, the remaining $8,500 will go to the California Pollution Control Financing Authority which guarantees loans to off-road vehicle fleets that need to buy exhaust retrofits to comply with state regulations.
And their budget grows yet again
Sad... This is a way for the makers to keep selling there new models and lets the big contracting companies get bigger and eliminate some of their competition. Gone are the days of saving up your money and buying your first E120 or D7 and starting your own business. The free market is systemically being dismantled. Soon everybody will have to have one of these PC200-8 Hybrids for about $280,000. http://www.komatsu.com/CompanyInfo/press/2008051315113604588.html
Valspar fined $218,000 for consumer products violations Release 09-80 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 8, 2009 Gennet Paauwe (916) 322-2990 www.arb.ca.gov Valspar fined $218,000 for consumer products violations 'Goof Off' among products illegally made available SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board last month fined paint and coatings giant Valspar Corp. $218,000 for violating clean-air regulations between 2007 and 2008. ARB investigators found that Minneapolis-based Valspar sold, supplied or manufactured for sale three consumer product lines that exceeded California standards for volatile organic compounds, including the well-known 'Goof Off' adhesive remover. "Smog is still a serious health concern in California," said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Consumer products contribute to our air pollution problems and our enforcement teams are on the lookout for violators." Valspar fully cooperated with the ARB investigation. Their violations include: * 42,012 units of 'Goof Off The Ultimate Remover,' a general purpose adhesive remover, exceeded the 20 percent VOC limit; * 7,006 units of 'Goof Off Graffiti Remover' exceeded the 50 percent VOC limit; and, * 4,555 units of 'AFTA Adhesive Remover Cleaning Solvent,' a general degreaser, exceeded the 4 percent VOC limit. Valspar no longer owns the 'Goof Off' product line and stopped selling the AFTA product in California. The company will pay $218,000 in penalties to the California Air Pollution Control Fund for projects and research to improve California's air quality. VOCs are building blocks that help create ground-level ozone, or smog. Smog can damage lungs, cause coughing and chest tightness, and worsen asthma symptoms while also affecting crop yields. It is particularly harmful to children, the elderly and those who have preexisting health problems.
Help Stop CARB Diesel Regs California assemblyman, Roger Niello, is leading a bi-partisan group of state legislators to send a letter to the California Air Resources Board (CARB) requesting a temporary suspension of the agency's recent regulations on in-use on and off-road diesel engine emissions. California voters should call their state representatives as soon as possible and urge them to sign the letter. Read about three regs' affect on one contractor's business, suggested talking points, and how to find your California state representative here . Remember, this is not just about California. Nonattainment areas all over the country are lining up to adopt these same regs.
Californi is fineing up the whzoo! I have tried to only post a brief idea of what the enviro-IwanttosayitbutIcant have been doing to kill California Businesses. Please support any effort around the Country to expose this. Do an internet search for "CLIMATEGATE". You will see much more clearly than ever before, please get this into your congressperson heads! I have a friend that bought a new machine because carb said that his 96' backhoe could not be registered, he will be loosing this bacckhoe along with his house, NO WORK = NO MONEY to pay bills. 9/16/09 ARB fines marketers of gasoline-powered blenders $240K Engines used to power appliances were not CA-certified Sacramento – The Air Resources Board this month fined Orange County-based On the Edge Marketing and CSK Auto Inc. of Phoenix $240,000 for selling gasoline-powered blenders using illegal uncertified small off-road engines to California businesses and residents. 9/21/09 Southern California waste hauler Arakelian Enterprises fined $270,000 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined Southern California waste hauler Arakelian Enterprises, also known as Athens Disposal Company, $270,000 this month for diesel emissions violations. 9/21/09 Gold country waste hauler fined $18,375 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO- The California Air Resources Board fined Waste Connections Inc. $18,375 in July for emissions violations in 2008. 10/7/09 West coast marine cargo company fined $35,625 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined APL Eagle Marine Services $35,625 this month for emissions violations during 2007 and 2008. 10/7/09 ARB investigation leads to $33,000 judgment against Bay Area dealer of "pocket bikes"Vehicles were uncertified, illegal to sell in CA SACRAMENTO - An investigation by the Air Resources Board has led to a $33,000 judgment issued in June by the Alameda Superior Court against Alameda-based Scooter Importers for selling uncertified off-road vehicles and "pocket bikes." 10/12/09 City of Ventura fined $8,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined the city of San Buenaventura, also known as Ventura, this month $8,500 for diesel emissions violations that occurred in 2006 and 2007. 10/23/09Southern California waste hauler fined $500,000 for diesel violations Company cited for failing to self-inspect its fleet and install emissions filters SACRAMENTO - The Air Resources Board last month fined Montebello-based waste hauler Key Disposal, Inc., $500,000 for failing to adequately inspect its fleet and retrofit some of its vehicles with diesel filters as required by State law. 10/26/09 Southern California disposal company fined $219,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined waste removal company EDCO Disposal Corporation $219,500 last month for emissions violations during 2005 and 2006. 11/9/09 Santa Maria company fined $22,875 for emissions violations at Salinas terminal SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board last month fined a Santa Maria, Calif., based company $21,675 for failing to inspect its diesel trucks at a Salinas fleet center for compliance with the state's smoke emissions standards. 11/16/09 Tehama County commercial recycler fined $7,950 for emissions violations. SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined commercial Recycler Omega Waste Management Inc., also known as Specialized Fibers, $7,950 last month for diesel emissions violations during 2007 and 2008. 11/17/09 JLG Harvesting, Inc. fined $21,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined JLG Harvesting Inc., $21,500 last month for emissions violations during 2005 and 2006 at its Salinas, Calif., terminal. 11/17/09 SACRAMENTO- The California Air Resources Board penalized Donaldson Company, Inc. $650,000 last month for selling mislabeled and illegal parts throughout California in 2007, with required corrective actions costing over $1.5 million bringing the total costs to over $2.1 million for the company. 11/24/09 SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board last week fined Washington-based Cablecom $19,800 for failing to inspect their diesel trucks for compliance with the state's smoke emissions standards. Complete info is located on the carb site.
Calif. Smog, Big Brother's Plan, It's Comming: This seems to be a somewhat interesting "development", Darryl. I don't know if you've read about it or not, and I'll let you sort through all the links... looks like a bit of "damage control" taking place. You might want to do a little digging! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident Check this out, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy And, check the two blogs, at the bottom. On edit: The first link, might be what is referred to as "Climategate". It's kind of an on going story, I didn't see that part when I first read it. OCR
Personally I think it's time to take Caterpillar's lead here, just make an announcment that we all just shut er down, we are outta here nuff said!!!
Thanks Darryl for keeping up the posting! The climate issue is probably a moot point for California in that they are using the pollution tool to say that weak people and kids are being put at "risk". I say "risk" because it can't be proved how many people are dieing early because of pollution in the air. The government in California is playing the violin right now and watching the state burn. The reaserch and statistics that were used to justify these restrictive laws were put in question some time ago but the legislature has refused to listen. All this makes it obvious to the blue coller public that the issue is one of power and money and never was about public benefit.
The same thing is happening on a "global" scale John. Although it's a little early to be condeming the whole AGW camp, it wouldn't surprise me if the spectacle "Climategate" is widespread.
Research fraud spurs CARB member to call for truck rule suspension From: Land line Truck Magizine 12/3/09 http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2009/Dec09/113009/120309-02.htm Research fraud spurs CARB member to call for truck rule suspension. It appears Christmas may be coming early for truckers this year. A brewing scandal at the California Air Resources Board has resulted in one CARB board member calling for the suspension of CARB’s most expensive truck rule to date. Written under the authority A.B. 32 – the 2006 law that addresses global warming, the Truck and Bus rule requires trucking fleets to acquire diesel particulate matter filters and upgrade their truck engines beginning in 2012.Most small trucking businesses – including fleets of one to three trucks –will be exempt until 2014. Numerous California and national news organizations reported this week that several top CARB officials, including CARB Chairman Mary Nichols, knew a year ago that the team leader and researcher on diesel pollution fatalities was a fraud and hadn’t earned the doctorate degree he claimed on his resume. The revelation came at least as early as December 2008, the day before CARB considered and approved its controversial Truck and Bus rule. The rule, which CARB research then estimated would cost the transportation industry $6 billion to $10 billion to comply with, requires diesel particulate filters and new engines for commercial trucks and buses on California roads and highways. According to emails posted at www.killcarb.org , a CARB board member unearthed the scandal that top agency officials had managed to keep quiet for more than a year by asking Nichols and other CARB board members about the research and qualifications of agency employee Hien T. Tran. Go read the rest at: http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2009/Dec09/113009/120309-02.htm You are aware that FED EPA and other State's have been adopting California's CARB's rules, for all engines including Heavy Equipment and Farm Equipment, it's like a cancer to our industry's.
CARB's own numbers catch them with their pants down CARB's own numbers catch them with their pants down : AGC projected off-road diesel emissions using the same model that CARB used to justify its In-Use Off-Road Diesel Vehicle rule, substituting only the actual California fleet inventory numbers gathered during this year's initial phase of the rule (it required off-road diesel registration). Found that no more retrofits are necessary to meet CARB's NOx-reduction targets through 2025, and nothing needs to be done until 2014 to meet PM-reduction targets. Guess CARB made a few mistakes estimating the California fleet back in 2000, then used the bogus baseline to draw up their rule. AGC asked CARB to revise the In-Use Off-Road Diesel Vehicle rule to apply the requirements prescribed for small fleets to all fleets. They're certainly expecting something to change. It's going to take a loud and persistent chorus of objection and demand for change to make any difference at all. You can reach CARB at Postal mail: Clerk of the Board, Air Resources Board, 1001 I Street, Sacramento, California 95814 Electronic submittal: http://www.arb.ca.gov/lispub/comm/bcsubform.php?listname=dec09update&comm_period=N E-mail: [email protected] But I would recommend adding messages to your CA-state assemblyman, and the governor's office. Lest you think this is only a California thing, AGC has identified 33 states that are likely to pick up California's In-Use Off-Road Vehicle rule and enforce it -- many of whom have already adopted California regs on autos and truck diesels. If you want a headful of what might be going on well beneath the rhetoric of ClimateGate emails, here's an interesting discussion of some of the computer code that was used to analyze climate data. 'Course this is just a blog posting. I got no way to substantiate these propeller heads' assertions. Climategate: The Smoking Code The disturbing coincidence between the Tran Transgression/utterly faulty baseline data in California and ClimateGate is what appears to be pattern hubris. How could ego be so strong in a group of scientists and regulators that it would justify forcing such incredibly stupid, crushing regulation on fellow citizens? More on that link here - ClimateGate Comes to CARB
CARB to Look at More Flexible Truck & Bus Rule; Rewriting Challenged Research Report From today's TruckingInfo.com "The California Air Resources Board Wednesday directed its staff to come back in April with a new provision that would give truck fleets more flexibility in cleaning up their diesel emissions under the state's Truck and Bus Rule that was adopted last December, in light of the recession's effect on the industry. "At the Wednesday CARB meeting, staff made a presentation on the impact of the recession on trucking emissions, saying overall trucking activity was down 10 to 18 percent. According to Leo Kay, CARB spokesman, the agency has seen reductions in emissions that they hadn't counted on before passing the Statewide Truck and Bus rule, especially as fleets have more trucks parked in the lot." "Separately, the board addressed the issue of Hien T. Tran, the lead scientist and coordinator of the study used to justify the new rules. Tran had lied about holding a Ph.D. in statistics from the University of California Davis, but his Ph.D. was the mail-order version. Senior air board officials knew about it before the vote, never revealing it to the public. According to Kay, Tran was disciplined, bumped down two pay grades and the board plans no further action against him." ". . . the Board directed staff to withdraw and redo the health report that carried Hien Tran's name. The implementation of the rule will continue to be carried out during this period. Kay described Tran as a bit player, who primarily compiled data, and emphasized that the science is still the same, regardless of the controversy over Tran's credentials."
Here is another example of why California is going broke. The state government is full of corruption and "do-gooders" who know what's best for everyone else. WOW! This guy Tran lied about his Phd and falsified test results and when he is found-out, he doesn't get fired, he gets "bumped down 2 pay grades". Big deal! In the private sector, if you falsify your resume you get fired the minute they find out you lied! Thank God he is working for the State of California, where a good liar is considered a valuable employee.
Smog, Big Brother's Plan, It's Comming: LOL, lol... :lmao OCR... :thumbsup
Not the only state where that's a prerequisite for employment.
They think that they must do everthing they can to "save" us. The end justifies the means in their minds. This is a very interesting topic. Thanks for keeping us updated!
The real offense here is that some of the Air Resources Board members, including the chairwoman, knew that Tran was a fraud BEFORE THEY VOTED ON THE TRUCK & BUS RULE. And they decided not to tell anybody. It would just be their little secret! Tee hee. And they figured that would be OK . . .
The following was sent to me after they were given the latest from the AGC pointing out that the recession has reduced emmissions to a point well below what they require: ""Just a heads up, a CARB staff unofficial response to AGC's study is that yo=u can make data say anything you want. In other words I think they are dism=issing the study and will have to be taken to task to accept the study. "" This comes as no surprise to me, from the agency with the most experience at making the data say whatever they want it too.
Never go through because of all of the upset farmers and others? You got to be kidding. The people that get elected thumb their noses and the voters and do what they damn well please. Case in point, Healthcare. Nobody wants this damn mess that has gone through House and is in the Senate but it will be shoved down our throats want it or not. Tier 4 and what ever else when ever they want it will be done no matter what all of us have to say. Rotten mileage and no power because of increased emissions standards? They could care less. Ram it down our throats. It is time for everyone to go vote for somebody different every two years. Big problem is that most people are more worried about last Sunday's football scores which have no effect on our day to day lives than this kind of stuff which has the potential to wreck our industry and ability to earn a living. As for me, it won't affect me much because I am old enough I am getting ready to sell out and quit.
:Banghead Another side effect of the new laws is that your used Trucks and Heavy Equipment is worth a whole lot less now because who wants to buy something that will need re-powering in a couple of years. I recently found out that surplus Diesel Trucks being sold by City, County and State agencies can not be re-registered in California. They must be shipped out of state or scrapped for parts. A friend who works for a local City told me that they use to get about $20K for a surplus Fire Truck when it went to auction. The last one they sold, thanks to the new laws, went for $3,500. So, the tax payers take a $16,500 hit!
Just think, on the firetrucks, as well as others, they used to be bought by smaller towns that do not have the budget to buy new, but can get by for years with a retired unit from a larger city fleet. Now they can't buy that $20K firetruck anymore, and they can't afford a new one either, so they go without. How does that help anyone?? Now they are only good to be scrapped out for parts. The CARB laws are robbing people of their equity and it affects public and private fleets. Of course the public fleet owners will now cry for a tax increase to cover all the additional costs, and that will rob the private owners of even more equity. The people making up these rules have no idea what it takes to make it in this or any other business. Any one of them would go broke in short order. Their experience is that if they need more money, they get a budget increase, or raise money through fees and fines. This road we are on will continue until there are people in charge that understand what it takes to successfully run a business. In the nanny state of CA, where most have there hand out crying for the state to take care of them, I don't see real business leaders getting elected.
Same is true here in Wisconsin. Nanny state nanny leaders, nanny everything. As far as the ones making up the rules going broke in short order trying to run a business? HA, those states are all broke already. California, Nevada, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota and New York just to name a few. In our fair state of Wisconsin, 6.0 Billion deficit on 52.0 Billion budget. County property tax of 8.0 percent in Dane County for this year. (We call it the Socialist Republic of Dane). Nothing will change until the bastards are all thrown out every term. Get your heads out of your a---- and start to VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Exactly! Even small contractors use to purchase used specialty equipment (Cone/Traffic Control trucks, dump trucks, street sweepers, vactor trucks, etc.) from municipalities and now they can't unless they plan to use it for parts. OH, one more interesting story. A local city recently went out to bid for two new street sweepers. Part of the bid involved taking two existing street sweepers in on trade (Cost of New Sweepers - Trade-in of old sweepers). Guess what? Because of the new laws, no one wanted to take the old sweepers in on trade!
I addressed the used equipment in my '07 resonse to CARB I think it worth posting because in the area of asthma I am an expert, and how will new business start? California Air Resource Board PO Box 2815 Sacramento, CA 95812 July 11,2007 Off Road Diesel Regulations First let me say I have had asthma all my life or 62 years. In the past 10 years I have had only very minor asthma. I don't think a lot of the claims can be proven that diesel fumes cause asthma. I had asthma before I was around diesel fumes, and now I am around diesel all day long and my asthma is improved. Most of asthma is allergy related. This is treated with antigens and bronco inhalers. There are some common sense measures that could have already been in place to reduce breathing diesel exhaust. Buses have caused this problem for years. Vehicles and equipment with horizontal low exhaust pipes need to be changed so fumes are not blown out at ground level and into people’s faces. This is just common sense, but not all equipment and vehicles have vertical exhaust pipes. Vertical exhaust pipes could provide a very cost effective way to keep people from breathing fumes. In the past CARB took the diesel industry down a very rough road with low sulfur fuels that damaged most of the fuel systems and caused leaks and break downs and lot of expense. The fact is the fuel should have been tested and problems corrected before use. We have been forced to use low sulfur and ultra low sulfur fuel all at the cost of performance and more fuel usage. The fact is the power has been taken out of the fuel. We are paying more for fuel and getting less in return. To set goals that that are unattainable does not work, does not solve a problem that does not exist. Now we are told to scrap or sell our fleets. Well- maintained equipment that has been properly cared for should provide income back to the owner like it was intended when it was purchased. Our businesses run on sound financial principles. Your proposed regulation is not founded on sound financial principles. You cannot rewrite how we run our business unless you provide a way for us to do it. For me to replace a four hundred thousand dollar piece of equipment that I may use 400 hours a year cannot be justified unless you pay me to do it. The money has to come from somewhere to replace the equipment in your proposal. We have good years and we try to save when there are bad years. That is just good sense. We cannot go and buy equipment without being able to pay for it. If we do, we go out of business. I have been taking very good care of my diesel off-road equipment for over 40 years. Under the proposed regulation I would have to liquidate and go out of business because it cannot be retrofitted. Also, all of the 15 owner-operators that work with me cannot comply with the proposal. The technology does not exist. It does not seem reasonable to OUTLAW THE USE and force well-maintained, good productive equipment into retirement to be sold out of state. This is a plan that must have been conceived by people that have no economic insight. It only seems logical that as the equipment ages it will be replaced, or will be operated very few hours a year. Contractors must have spare machines that can go into service. If not, work won't get done and contractors face liquidated damages. I cannot afford new equipment. I buy used equipment 5 to 10 years old this is all I can afford to purchase. How many years will I have to wait for used equipment to meet the standards that new equipment can meet? Where will affordable and viable equipment going to come from? You need to answer this before any new standards are even considered. "We have to be able to allow good operating equipment to remain in service until it can be replaced. If you do not allow equipment to be replaced through attrition, you will ruin the majority of contractors, which are small family owned business." I will be praying that CARB will think about the economic impacts. We bought equipment as an investment. We have worked hard to preserve that investment through proper care and maintenance. We have done our part; don't change your mind after I have made the investment, taken care of the investment and have been a good steward. Please don’t wreck the heavy construction industry in California. Sincerely Yours, Darryl Mueller President Well they didn't listen 80% of small businesses are impacted and on the way to failure. I have 1 guy that CARB would not register 1996 580 so he bought new and is well on his way to repo & bankrupt and loosing his house. Does CARB care?
What does postponement of CARB Off-Road Diesel regs say about early compliance? Don’t go celebrating the California Air Resources Board’s postponement of enforcing its off-road diesel emissions regulations as some kind of triumph of the free market over regulation. Confirmed diesel hater and CARB chair Mary Nichols has saved her job for the time being, but she’s not going to let these regulations go away. What role did contractors in CA who have been upgrading engines for the past five to eight years play in bringing about this postponement? Could similar voluntary compliance by contractors in the many other states considering implementation of CARB regs forestall the spread of diesel emissions regulations? Something to think about
Forgive my ignorance, but can someone give me a quick rundown on the different ways an engine can be made compliant? Thanks
Replacement with a newer engine or retrofit with a technology (all diesel particulate filters, at this point) from CARB's verified technology list. CARB-Verification Makes These DPFs The Right Investment A slightly different set of regs for on-road diesels CARB Demands Exhaust Update of On-Road Diesels There are local regulations springing up in various areas -- New York City, New Jersey, Illinois' Cook County, Vancouver -- that roughly mirror the CARB rules. They may offer a little more lattitude, or a little less, in terms of technologies that satisfy the requirements. If you're in an unregulated area, you can get ahead of the curve with financial assistance from the government by applying for federal and state grants to help clean up older diesels. How to Get Uncle Sam to Pay for Equipment Updates L
Trucking companies hurt by CARB environmental rules! This gets right were we all make our living, or taking away our means of making a living, please get involved in your state and federal laws! http://www.martinezgazette.com/news...ing-companies-hurt-recent-environmental-rules Trucking companies hurt by recent environmental rules By Jesse Lanum Special to the Gazette January 9, 2010 The trucking industry is preparing for the first of a series of crippling regulations dealt them courtesy of the California Air Resources Board (ARB), whose goal has been to combat the side effects potentially caused by diesel emissions. Over the past several months, the science behind these regulations has come under increased scrutiny, specifically due to the credential fraud committed by one of ARB’s lead researchers. All Drayage diesel trucks older than 1994 must be retired from service. Those built between 1994 and 2003 must undergo a costly retrofit — a soot trap ranging in price from $12,000 to $25,000, depending on the age of the vehicle. Leo Kay, the Communication Director for the ARB, said that there are approximately 20,000 affected trucks in California. ARB offered $11 million in grants for the affected truckers. Each trucker could potentially receive $5,000 toward the retrofit of their diesel. The regulations were set to go into effect on January 1, 2010; however, there was not enough money to go around, and truckers were recently afforded two weeks grace. The diesel particulate matter the regulations is meant to curb what is known as PM2.5. According to ARB’s research, PM2.5 is known to cause premature deaths. Len Serpa, owner of the Len Serpa dump truck company in Martinez, said that his company will be heavily affected by the regulation. “We have only one 2008 truck,” said Serpa. “That would be the only truck to meet standards. We would have to throw the rest out.” Serpa is a member of California Dump Truck Owners Association (CDTOA), which has called into question the credentials of the ARB scientists responsible for demonstrating the dangers of diesel emissions. The organization discovered that one of the lead authors had lied about having a doctorate from UC Davis. ARB reported that the credibility of the peer reviewed work on PM2.5 was buttressed by the doctorate of Hien Tran. They later admitted to discovering that Tran did not have the doctorate. In fact, he had only recently purchased a doctorate from Thornhill, an unaccredited online university, according to consumerfraudreporting.org. Tran was reportedly demoted but retains a position with ARB. His scientific work cited in moving forward with the regulations will be redone in the future, but the regulations will not be delayed in the interim. In response, Lee Brown, the Executive Director at CDTOA, wrote a letter to Gov. Schwarzenegger asking him to call for an immediate investigation of ARB. “The scientific basis for CARB’s on-road diesel regulations is the October 24, 2008 CARB Staff Report on PM2.5 and Premature Deaths in California by lead author Hien T. Tran. However, lead author Tran admittedly misrepresented his qualifications and education, as he did not in fact have a Ph.D. from UC Davis as he had originally claimed,” Brown wrote. Schwarzenegger has not yet responded to his December 9 letter. Brown drafted another letter to the President of the UC system, asking him to release ARB scientist and UC Berkeley professor Dr. Michael Jerret’s data on PM2.5 harm. Brown claims that Jarrett has been secretive with his work; moreover, the data he is using comes from the East Coast and has been unjustly extrapolated to California. Dr. James Enstrom, an epidemiologist at UCLA with thirty-five years of experience, is the only scientist to have completed the most comprehensive study on the effects of PM2.5 in California. Dr. Enstrom found a risk factor of zero for Californians with respect to PM2.5. Instead of using those results, the ARB scientists used a study that took place in the Netherlands, among others, to come to their findings. “The association [of premature death and PM2.5] is extremely weak by epidemiological standards. The initial findings were not supported by subsequent studies,” Enstrom said. “A lot of particulate matter in California is just road dust or from forest fires,” Enstrom added. Enstrom has written a number of letters to Jerrett as well as other ARB scientists, hoping to understand why they have chosen to bypass the only comprehensive state data available, and he has not received a response. “California has the fourth highest life expectancy in the country,” said Enstrom. “Life expectancy is too high for this to make sense.” Many of the big trucking fleets were able to update their vehicles for coming regulations, but it has been a different story for small businesses and lone owner/operators. Those who support their families by driving their own trucks are forced to ante up or be cut out of business. Brown said that ninety-five percent of the trucks in his organization would be off the road with the coming regulation. In 2007, CDTOA membership was at 1400. As of today, membership has dropped to 800. “What does cause tremendous health affects is unemployment,” said Enstrom There are more emissions restrictions coming, and it doesn’t stop with trucks. Tractors, boats and construction equipment are on the chopping block as well. Kay said that, by 2020, California will have reduced diesel emissions by eighty-five percent. Due to the economic downturn, a few of the regulations affecting tractors and construction equipment have been delayed, but they’re not delaying the restrictions to loosen the noose on California workers. The slowdown of industry is essentially good news for emissions regulators. “A lot of people aren’t working right now, so we may be reducing diesel emissions enough just by having those trucks off the road,” said Kay. Enough refers to federally mandated restrictions of state diesel emissions. In order to be awarded federal money for highway repair, Kay said that California must cut diesel emissions. “We’re trying to balance the need to protect the environment and the economy,” Kay said. ARB documents on diesel particulate matter going back to 1977 can be found at cdtoa.org.
More fines to pay for CARB Inforcment Sunbelt Rentals fined $98,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board last week fined Sunbelt Rentals $98,500 for emissions violations in 2007 and 2008 around the state. During a routine investigation, ARB investigators found that Sunbelt Rentals, headquartered in Fort Mill, S.C., failed to conduct diesel truck smoke tests in 2007 and 2008 at 20 of its California fleet facilities. “Californians depend on clean air as part of living a healthy life,” said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. “When companies violate air quality laws, we all lose.” Kern County company fined $14,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board has fined Sturgeon & Son, Inc. $14,500 for emissions violations during 2007 and 2008. An ARB investigation showed Sturgeon & Son, Inc., based in Bakersfield, Calif., failed to properly inspect some of their diesel vehicles, as required by California law. Failing to conduct these inspections can lead to an increase of toxic diesel particulate matter in the air. "Diesel exhaust contains toxic particles that are dangerous to human health," said ARB Enforcement Chief James Ryden. "Every effort companies make to keep their heavy-duty diesel vehicles in compliance with ARB's regulations helps to save lives." General Produce Company fined $30,900 for reporting violations SACRAMENTO - The California Air Resources Board fined General Produce Company $30,900 last month for reporting violations during 2006 at its Sacramento, Calif. facility. General Produce failed to submit a one-time report for their transportation refrigeration units at their facility, as required by law. TRUs are refrigeration systems that are powered by diesel engines that control the environment of temperature-sensitive products in refrigerated trucks, trailers, railcars and shipping containers. "Companies that fail to submit the reports required in this and other diesel fleet regulations set the stage for further non-compliance and continued production of harmful emissions; they also create an unfair advantage over compliant companies," said ARB Enforcement Chief James Ryden. San Bernardino County waste hauler fined $307,200 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Burrtec Waste Industries, Inc. $307,200 in November for emissions violations during 2005 and 2006. An ARB investigation showed Burrtec Waste Industries, Inc. located in Fontana, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel vehicles. The company also failed to comply with the solid waste collection vehicle rule by neglecting to retrofit some of their diesel vehicles with the required emission-reduction devices. "Trash haulers work hard to move waste out of our communities, and they burn a lot of diesel fuel close to where people live and work,” said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. “That's why California law requires that their engines be maintained and inspected to keep pollution as low as possible." Newman company fined $37,000 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board last month fined a Newman, Calif. heavy-duty diesel fleet $37,000 for failing to inspect its diesel trucks for compliance with the state’s smoke emissions standards. ARB investigators found that Mello Milk Transport, Inc., failed to conduct diesel truck smoke tests in 2008 and 2009 at its fleet facility, as required by state law. “Reducing diesel particulate emissions is the most important thing we can do to protect the public against the harmful health effects of air pollution,” said ARB Chairman Mary Nichols. “Businesses that do their part by maintaining their vehicles help keep our air healthy.” Chemical Transfer Company fined $6,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Chemical Transfer Company last month for $6,500 for diesel emissions violations. An ARB investigation showed Chemical Transfer Company, based in Stockton, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel vehicles during 2008 and 2009. “All trucking companies must properly inspect and maintain their diesel vehicles to ensure that California’s emissions goals are achieved,” said ARB Enforcement Chief James Ryden. “The emissions from diesel trucks are very detrimental to the public’s health.” Petaluma company fined $20,000 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board last month fined a Petaluma, Calif. company $20,000 for failing to inspect its diesel trucks for compliance with the state’s smoke emissions standards. ARB investigators found that Golden State Lumber, Inc. failed to conduct diesel truck smoke tests in 2009, as required by state law. “Diesel particulate matter is a hazard to all Californians,” said ARB Enforcement Chief Jim Ryden. “By taking steps to reduce soot emissions, companies that operate in the state help clean the air.” Long Beach company fined $31,500 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Bragg Investment Companies $31,500 this month for emissions violations during 2008. An ARB investigation showed Bragg Investment Companies, based in Long Beach, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel-powered vehicles for excess emissions. “Routine diesel inspections are a top priority in protecting California's air,” said ARB Enforcement Chief James Ryden. “Companies failing to conduct these inspections can lead to an increase of toxic diesel particulate matter in the air. The law requires owners of California-registered truck fleets to regularly inspect their vehicles to ensure that their engine emissions meet state air quality regulations. Napa Company fined $14,400 for emissions violations SACRAMENTO – The California Air Resources Board fined Biagi Bros. $14,400 this month for emissions violations during 2008 and 2009. An investigation by ARB showed Biagi Bros., based in Napa, Calif., failed to properly inspect their diesel-powered vehicles for excess emissions. “Diesel exhaust is the most common air toxin in California and is detrimental to public health and the environment,” said ARB Enforcement Chief James Ryden. “Routine inspections are an essential component in reducing harmful emissions, and providing clean air for the public.” The law requires owners of California-registered truck fleets to regularly inspect their vehicles to ensure that their engine emissions meet state air quality regulations. Here is how CARB will effect cost to consumers! My trash bill went from $70.00 to $139.00 per month in 2.5 years. As California's tax base moves out of the state along with employment chances, this is just a preview of change that needs to be stopped.
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"California Crack Down"! CARB what's next! The Fed EPA! This was on the front cover so it caught my eye, "California Crack Down"! A lot of interesting information, this junk will be national if it is not stopped! Go to page 16 the article starts, http://www.digitalmagazinetechnology.com/a/?KEY=equipmentworld-10-04april#page=15&zoom=0 After I read the article, and that Cal. was waiting from the EPA, I remember something like they had got a waver, Yes they did in 6/09, EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “This waiver is consistent with the Clean Air Act as it’s been used for the last 40 years and supports the prerogatives of the 13 states and the District of Columbia who have opted to follow California’s lead. So there must be another waver needed? Does anyone know? Or more guess work? I guess the key points are, EPA will follow Calif unless we get a change in leadership, Calif construction is in such bad shape, and investments made on equipment to make money had to be sold at huge losses that could have been put in storage as has been done in the past and made ready to go to work when things improve, which is way down the road. I hope your construction spring season is a lot better than we have had in the golden state. I am so glad I planted hay last fall, so I have something exciting to look forward to.
Off road importer fined $250,000 Importer illegally sold uncertified vehicles to statewide dealership . NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Release #:11-04 Date:01/18/2011 CONTACT: Mary Fricke ARB PIO: (916) 322-2990 OR 916-322-2638 [email protected] Southern California importer of off-highway vehicles ordered to pay $250,000 judgment Importer illegally sold uncertified vehicles to statewide dealership EL MONTE, CA - An investigation by the Air Resources Board led to a $250,000 judgment issued in October 2010 by the San Bernardino County Court against Montclair, Calif. based NST, Inc. for the illegal sales of uncertified off-highway vehicles. ARB investigators found NST, Inc., also known as New Star, owned by John Cheng, illegally sold at least 52 off-highway recreational vehicles such as ATVs, dirt bikes and go-karts to California dealerships starting around May 2006. Investigators discovered the illegal sales while conducting routine dealer inspections. “California has clean air laws in place to protect residents from these recreational vehicles that can pollute up to 100 times more than a passenger car," said ARB Chairman Mary D. Nichols. "Businesses that sell equipment and vehicles illegally will pay penalties, especially businesses that are repeat offenders.” NST was issued a Notice of Violation for selling ARB non-certified vehicles. Because a settlement could not be reached, the case was referred to the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office for prosecution. A judgment was ultimately entered in the amount of $250,000 for Health and Safety Code and Business and Professions Code violations. In 2006 NST settled with ARB for $80,000 for the importation, sale and delivery of non-certified pocket bikes and scooters. Because the owner of the company was a repeat violator, ARB officials sought the highest financial penalty in the 2010 case. Additionally, dealerships and distributors throughout California that bought from NST and subsequently sold the illegal vehicles to consumers were also cited. Vehicles that do not meet California's tough emission requirements pose a real danger to residents. They create higher amounts of smog-forming pollutants, which can then exacerbate respiratory ailments and negatively affect other health conditions such as shortness of breath, headaches, birth defects, cancer or damage to internal organs. Smog is a combination of smoke and other particulates, ozone, hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other chemically reactive compounds which, under certain conditions of weather and sunlight, may result in a murky brown haze. The primary source of smog in California is motor vehicles. The Air Resources Board is a department of the California Environmental Protection Agency. ARB's mission is to promote and protect public health, welfare, and ecological resources through effective reduction of air pollutants while recognizing and considering effects on the economy. The ARB oversees all air pollution control efforts in California to attain and maintain health based air quality standards. CARB is on he attack. Southern Calif. had smog before cars, it's Ozone created by trees it's in the history books, Regan knew this!
Economic Leakage is the results of regulation cause business to leave the state! Check this link; Down load this 9 page PDF and send to your state leaders, so this does not happen to you! AB32: Letter to Assembly Member Dan Logue Regarding Economic Leakage File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View May 13, 2010 ... following the implementation of AB 32 through the California Air Resource Board's. (ARB's) Scoping Plan (SP), compared to states that do not ... www.lao.ca.gov/reports/2010/rsrc/ab32_logue/ab32_logue_051310.pdf Legislative Analyst Study was Ignored! In December AB32 was became law! This kind of stuff is not sustaninable!
Ca Dump Truck Owner Sues CARB http://www.equipmentworld.com/ca-dump-truck-owners-association-sues-carb/
This is Very Depressing News! I read this yesterday and today I had to post this that the Feds want to mandate New Equipment. It is bad enough when the State goes nuts. But to work on Federal Funded Sites they want New Equipment. Please write to these jurks and ask them to think before they continue to wreck out Country! "Particulate matter from diesel to cause Asthma has been lied about and is not proven!" Enstrom because he disagreed about health problems caused by particulate matter, and is expert and researched particulate matter for years! http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2011/Sep11/090511/090711-06.shtml So this is just another case to ignore and continue to push for more laws, just like Global Warming! http://www.compactequip.com/index/webapp-stories-action?id=832 Three Important Construction Issues that Need Washington’s Attention Compiled by CE Staff — Nov 11, 2011 Good government needs specific direction. Giving money and power to our leaders sometimes feels like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. Democracy doesn’t work real well unless you decide to help work it. And since knowledge governs ignorance, here are three important pieces of legislation and funding that you and your congressional leaders should use to help drive the country and economy. From diesel engine emissions to housing funding, these ideas can empower the construction and landscape industry. New Legislation to Fund Cleaner Diesels for Federally-Funded Highway Projects Emissions from diesel construction equipment will be significantly reduced at major highway projects in the most polluted areas, thanks to the Clean Construction Act of 2011 introduced in October by Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) and Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.). The Associated General Contractors of America (AGC) and the non-profit Clean Air Task Force (CATF) signaled their strong support for the bipartisan legislation that would provide state transportation officials the authority and funding to incorporate the use of clean construction equipment on federally-funded transportation projects in PM2.5 Nonattainment and Maintenance areas. “On behalf of the Associated General Contractors and the Clean Air Task Force, we thank Reps. Hanna and Edwards for their strong leadership, commitment and vision in ensuring that the air we breathe and the projects we build are simultaneously strong and healthy for the communities in which they are built,” said Conrad Schneider, advocacy director of the Clean Air Task Force. “This legislation provides a targeted approach to reducing emissions from construction machines that will be used in the areas of the country that are struggling to meet federal air quality standards. We are thrilled to be standing side-by-side with the contractors in support of the Clean Construction Act of 2011,” concluded Schneider. “This proposal will help safeguard construction jobs and rebuild our aging network of highways and bridges while protecting the environment,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, CEO of the Associated General Contractors of America. “It reflects an appreciation of the fact that how we build infrastructure is often as important as where we build it.” If you would please write or call your AGC person and ask them who in the "H" are thy representing contractors or new equipment dealers? This gangrene thinking must stop. Just the other day I was picking up seed at and there was a 706 farm tractor. I struck up and interest in the tractor. "Then I saw it a hole in the block, that was required by law!" That hole was done so the tractor would be scraped! "And the farmer would recieve $20,000. State & Federal tax dollars" I don't think God will honor this waste that is going on. If you are a used car dealer Cash for Clunkers took good and other cares to the crusher! God will not honor Waste!
Sounds to me like more welfare for the large well funded corporations who can afford to go out and buy new equipment. The small and mid sized contractors are forced out of the market because we can't afford the new iron. These regulations are the death of many small family owned businesses.
Cash for clunkers BS comes to the yellow iron... The EPA is out on a mission to destroy diesel engines. Somebody mentioned fire equipment. Our newest tanker at my department has one of those regenerative systems on it. 45 minutes for it to cycle, and once that is started, if you shut the engine down during the cycle it fries the computer. On purpose, so you can't bypass the cycle. I have a feeling that is going to cost lives sooner or later. We can't have the efficient small diesels the Europeans have. Makes too much sense and are actually energy efficient.
Fire Trucks are broke down because of $30,000 EPA filter! Do you know that requirement for diesel engine. The exhaust is cleaner that the air it takes in! Or the diesel engine is a air cleaner. This is a government fire department, but what for small business to do? Go out of business? http://www.firehouse.com/news/top-headlines/required-epa-filters-make-calif-fire-trucks-fail SAN DIEGO -- Fire trucks across the country are breaking down at record rates because of faulty filters the Environmental Protection Agency forces them to use. The 10News I-Team learned San Diego City Councilwoman Marti Emerald is asking the region's congressional delegation to petition the EPA to change their rules. Additionally, Rep. Bob Filner is scheduled to meet with EPA officials and ask them for an exemption on the fire truck filters. Filner sent the EPA a letter last week saying, "Fire equipment is breaking down or having to be taken off-line, at times putting lives and property in danger." The EPA forces every diesel-powered vehicle to have a filter to keep soot out of the air, including fire trucks. The filters usually burn off soot before clogging the engine, but fire trucks don't do enough long-haul driving to get hot enough to burn the soot away. "I think that would benefit public safety immensely if we did not have to follow these same rules," said Kevin Ester with the San Diego Fire-Rescue Department. Ester, who is in charge of fixing fire trucks in San Diego, said the filters cost $30,000 each. The EPA has not said if they'll give fire departments a pass on filtering their diesel vehicles. Departments across the country have had similar problems with the filters as SDFRD. Right now the military and construction industries are the only entities with an exemption. Do you have more information about this story? Click here to contact usCopyright 2011 by 10News.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Just when you think it can't get any worse I get a reminder of the fines coming in the new year! Hear is the CARB e-mail from a bankrupt state bureaucrats! Next phase of regulations will kick in starting 2013, learn now how to comply. ARB PIO: 916-322-2990 Contact: Karen Caesar 626-575-6728 [email protected] SACRAMENTO – The Air Resources Board is reminding truck and bus owners to check now to see if their vehicle fleets are among those that will have new rules to follow as of Jan. 1, 2013. As the new year begins, heavy duty trucks and buses (more than 26,000 lbs. gross vehicle weight rating) with 2000 – 2004 model year engines will likely need diesel soot filters as required by the state’s Truck and Bus Regulation. The rule is part of California’s Diesel Risk Reduction Plan, which includes a suite of regulations designed to reduce harmful diesel emissions from a wide variety of sources. In 2011, similar requirements took effect for 1996 – 1999 model year engines. There are exceptions (low-mileage or emergency vehicles, etc.), however, the majority of registered trucks and buses in this vehicle category will need to take steps to comply with the regulation. “Our efforts to reach out to the trucking industry have yielded positive results,” said ARB’s Enforcement Division Chief James Ryden. “We have enforcement and compliance assistance teams all over the state who regularly inspect vehicles and educate owners, and recently, we’ve been pleased to note a compliance rate of more than 80 percent.” Ryden specifically cited “Gear Up for Clean Truck Month” in August 2012, where teams of ARB and California Highway Patrol officers stepped up enforcement efforts and inspected more than 4,000 trucks at 40 different locations, including CHP weigh stations, random roadside areas, distribution centers, fleet facilities, truck stops and other sites where trucks and buses are present. Business owners should note that non-compliant vehicles (including out-of-state vehicles) may not be legally operated in California. Penalties start at a minimum of $1,000 per violation per month and will increase significantly over time. In addition, non-compliance can result in a Department of Motor Vehicle registration block on your truck or bus, and/or having your vehicle impounded by CHP until it is in compliance. For more information on possible penalties, see the “Enforcement” link at Truck Stop/Enforcement at http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truckstop/azregs/enforcement.htm Other new diesel-related rules besides the Truck and Bus Regulation will be enforced starting Jan. 1, 2013. Vehicle owners may want to take note of this information in order to place equipment orders and prepare for compliance. Deadlines coming up quickly for diesel vehicles include: December 31, 2012: • Transport Refrigeration Units with 2005 model year engines must be replaced with Ultra-Low-Emission TRUs. January 1, 2013: • Under the Truck and Bus regulation, diesel truck and bus fleets must either install diesel soot filters (or upgrade equipment) on trucks with 2002 – 2004 model year engines or meet phase-in option requirements. • For vehicles covered under the Drayage Truck Regulation, 2005 – 2006 engine model year trucks greater than 33,000 lbs. gross vehicle weight rating must have diesel soot filters. • Tractor-Trailer Greenhouse Gas regulation: - Owners of fleets with 20 or fewer affected trailers must register if they want to use a compliance option that will allow them up to four additional years to participate in the Small Fleet Compliance Plan. - Low-rolling resistance tires are required for 2010 model year and older tractors that pull 53 foot-long box-type trailers. - SmartWay aerodynamic requirements must be met by all 53-foot or longer box-type trailers not using a phase-in option. To make sure you and your fleet are ready for 2013, call 1-866-6-DIESEL (1-866-634-3735), or visit http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truckstop/truckstop.htm for more information. ====================================================================== You are subscribed to the newsrel mailing list. To UNSUBSCRIBE: Please go to http://www.arb.ca.gov/listserv/listserv.php and enter your email address and click on the button "Display Email Lists." To unsubscribe, please click inside the appropriate box to uncheck it and go to the bottom of the screen to submit your request. You will receive an automatic email message confirming that you have successfully unsubscribed. Also, please read our listserve disclaimer at http://www.arb.ca.gov/listserv/disclaim.htm . The energy challenge facing California is real. Every Californian needs to take immediate action to reduce energy consumption. For a list of simple ways you can reduce demand and cut your energy costs, see our website at www.arb.ca.gov .
I feel for you & others in California, Darryl. Can't say that I'm unhappy to be out of that vastly over-regulated conglameration of legal problems since 2006. Additionally, I can not see any modest to great improvement to California citizens lifestyles that CARB and other agencies brag about. Southern California is a complete disaster, from Sacramento to San Diego! Only big question in my mind, is why are so many very rich folk and any individual businessmen still there? We all know why the poor and illegal are there. Not a great feeling to have folks point to Egypt, Syria, Irag, California, Afghanistan, and Haiti, as completely failed states!
True that, Stock! Some folk even reelected a champion liar to be president of the United States, and he has a vast herd of potential top tenners, in this regard, in his administration!
While you're entitled to hold any opinion you like, I'm pretty sure that last comment falls outside of the "political discussion" rule: :cool2 (And I said "pretty" sure, just to be polite.)
In the letter that we got, it says in big bold letters....."THOSE WHO FAIL TO COMPLY, WE CAN AND WILL PUT YOU OUT OF BUSINESS". Now my question is......these carb people.. do they wear body armor? Those are some awful threatening words. It's just a matter of time before someone goes postal on someone who is threatening a mans livelihood. Right or wrong, its just a matter of time and I won't be a bit surprised. Everyone has their breaking point. It will happen. And these huge fines? Where does the money go? In someone's pockets? What about our 8th amendment? Excessive bail, cruel punishment .
I see nothing political about it. Humor, sarcasm maybe. Point is, the heavy equipment industry, as related to mining and earthmoving or other general construction projects, is being hugely over-regulated by government bureaucrats and their political and business benefactors. If twere only California, who would care, other than ole RollOver Pete? Except that out of state competition for work in California has now been stifled, closed off, and limited to mostly California contractors only, as who else in their right mind is going to install all the very expensive environmental stuff on their equipment to work in Florida, Maine or Iowa? Likewise, California contractors are not likely to maintain expensive and poor quality environmental controls out of state. I've been down that road before. Seems to me to be a case of unfair business regulations that some court should take up. Which would come out on top? The trucking industry, the railroads, the aviation companies; all are going to have to kow-tow to the environmental crazies in California, or no longer allow their equipment to go into the state. That will be a real job killer for owner-operators and a whole lot of other people! How long before personal cars or pickups older than a couple of years, going to not be allowed in the state, particularly diesels? My guess, if the CARB people are allowed to continue, not long! Personally, I do not believe that any state has a right to enact regulations that strangle federal inter-state commerce or other states. This will only lead us back to the situation the original thirteen colonies were in with nothing allowed to go from one state to another because of differences in taxes, rules, and regulations. The only way out of this mess, is a political process.
Unfortunately I think this is what has to happen and I say this with the utmost sympathy for my friends and members who live and work in California. The machine has gotten so big and so entrenched that the only way to stop it is let itself implode. The pencil pushing government workers are not going to back down as long as they receive a paycheck. When the results of their over-regulation result in no tax income which equal no gov't payroll checks, the old proverbial phrase "The buck stops here" comes into play. This will cause great pain and strife for the innocent who have to endure the turmoil that will go along as this process works out. Barring a societal shift, I just don't see anything changing until this happens and this saddens my heart. I disagree as I believe in State's Rights. If California wants to enact rules that smother their industry, then it's their right to do so as a State. Just like CO and WA voted to make mary jane legal. Now don't get me wrong, I don't smoke it and don't condone it but the people of those States voted to make it legal and they should have the Right and ability to not only do that but also deal with the effects of what they choose - just like California.:cool2 With choices come consequences, it's the first thing you learn when you become an adult and leave the nest. Now my above post is not about the validity or debate of individual laws that States choose to enact or forbid but rather an argument that a State and it's people, have the right to govern themselves, how they choose. They are the ones that have to live with the consequences of their choices. Of course the Constitution prevails and no State law shall supersede the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.:usa
About what, CARB, or the Presidency? I think it's a given that any discussion of CARB is going to contain politics, but since it's directly related to our industry, it's not prohibited. This 200+ post thread is evidence of that. Your post #199 though, didn't really do anything to tie the Presidency in with the details of the CARB discussion, but it did make an explicit, negative, comment about the highest politically chosen official in the land. If you want to make a case that clearly relates a Presidential lie to this industry, that will also be fair game for discussion. You didn't do that in post #199 though, which is why I found a reminder (to all), of the political discussion rule to be in order. It's the old an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure principle.
See? See that? Now you got CM going off in five different directions. :Banghead :tong
I just heard Rush Limbaugh talking about the left coast wackos today. The apparently passed their own cap and trade bill which effectively will raise rates for electric produced by coal plants. I dont know how much more this economy can take its really ashame. I think its rediculous that the government can force you to change your vehicle. Thats like telling you your car without airbags needs airbags installed and if you dont theyll take your car. I like the tire law thats really a joke someones paying out big bucks to get that passed. Sad thing is NJ will likely follow suite.
5 directions?? I do my best to keep going in one direction, which is usually the wrong way.... at least that's what my better 1/2 says anyway... :laugh
Many of the rich and stupid have come to Washington State. They got gay marriage passed. The got pot made legal. They are running businesses out. Heck I can't even buy a Twinkie anymore!
John, I don't guess it'll make you feel any better, but, as soon as we heard on the radio other day about the first gay "marriages" there,and the pot, my wife said, " Oh good, maybe now most of our loonies will move to Wa". You can always move to SC, we can always use another skilled man who is willing to work, and it's warmer.
Please post the letter scan it I have or wife tossed it with the garbage!
In December of 2011 Ca Cap In Trade went into effect. In July a report against it was released it said business and people would leave.It's called Economic Leakage! I have attached it. The good thing is we still have in www. My intent is to educate as meany people as possible. It seems we have a media that only reports emotions and ignores facts that chip away at the greenhouse "Global Warming Myth". And with out CO2 no trees and no oxy, and we die! We have a huge feed problem going on nationally right now because the corn is going into a 10% gas blend, EPA Mandate. In CA Zacky Farm, is now bankrupt, dairymen shooting them selves in the Central Valley because of feed costs loosing the farm. Seems people chase after carbon credits & tax are not thinking when they waste food supply instead allow drilling?
Mitch504, Thanks for the heads up. We are seriously thinking of Idaho for now. We will pursue that intensively after the first of the year. I'm pretty sure that a North Carolina loony doesn't have near as many colorful feathers, or ideas, as those from the nation of California.
Idaho seems to be the place. I can't find a buyer, I will be out of here
oh please don't hate me from being form NY but i'm willing to buy all the equipment you guys have to get rid of, because what you guys have on the west cost we don't have on the east or its so rare and scares that i rather have my own... anyone selling anything cheap and functional i'm always down for a good deal!!! delivery wont be a problem i have the proper resources to move these things cross country
It's coming to you also via EPA. Cancer spreads from West to East it's about population centers having the control.