I was moving sand with my new to me 1989 phase 3 580k. The motor quit. The fuel gauge had been on 1/2 for a long time so I thought that must be it. I put fuel in and followed a post on here. The manual pump is loose and no pressure on it. Checked the screw on filter and it's full. checked three bleeders and had fuel dripping. When I crank it over I don't see any white smoke. I'm not a mechanic and new to diesels and don't know what to do. I could use some advice / help. Thanks in advance.
First, you need to test the fuel shut off solenoid (located under the injector pump) - power supply operation Once the solenoid operation is verified as OK - & it still wont fire up, then you have a fuel issue. Either a blockage in supply OR air in the system OR both. Remove the fuel hose to the lift pump & verify a good supply - if none, check the inline filter, if dirty - replace it (some are located down near the chassis) then, blow some compressed air down the line to clear any blockage. The fuel should be squirting from the primer screws (the injector pump screws are done with the ignition ON) If the hand primer is loose, try giving the starter a little bump to rotate the engine a little & get the lift pump 'off cam'. If the hand primer is too worn to activate the pump you can use compressed air to push the fuel through by putting a nozzle into the fuel filler & sealing the opening up with a rag.... OR fit a new lift pump. Once fuel is squirting from the primer screws - then loosen the high pressure lines at the injectors & crank the engine till fuel is squirting from the loosened lines, tighten & fire it up.
you must check de shutoff solenoid in the inyection fuel pump maybe is disconected or have electrical problem whit te fuse
GREAT check list Alrman.!! I have nothing to add.. Hope he gets it running.
Welcome to HEF, Valerio !
Hi guys, sorry I was off line for a bit and I'm still figuring out how to get back to a thread once I've started it lol. So yesterday I had someone turn it over while I checked the bleeders that you had labeled on another thread. I have fuel pressure without bubbles at all the bleeders and on the pump itself but nothing coming out of the lines. First I checked one injector then I loosed the line at the pump. Nothing at all coming out of the pump ? Do I still need to check the solenoid? Or what's my next step. Is the pump possibly bad ?
Yes, the pump could be bad, that's why you check the solenoid first. If it's what I'm thinking, and what it sounds like Alrman is describing, then it's a common failure on cummins engines with this solenoid, and it's also easy to see move, and easy to wire open to run. Did you run out of fuel? you said you added fuel, but how was the level before adding fuel? and what did it sound like when it died? sudden like the key shut off, or struggling for a bit?
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I had thought it ran out of fuel but now I don't think so. Similar to shutting off the key maybe for less than a second it lost power but I was moving at the time. I have always avoided electrical problems on vehicles, I guess I wont be able to say that after today lol. I dont have a meter or tester. Do I need to get one or is there another way.
Also I have only owned the machine a couple of months. All the filters look brand new and the inline filter is right at the lift pump and brand new shiny. I know that doesn't mean they are clean but I do get good pressure squirting from the bleeders. How do I check the solenoid ?
All new filters when you bought it indicates that the previous owner was having problems. Connect a voltmeter to the wire on the solenoid on the pump. It has to have power when you turn the ignition switch on. Even if it does, there could still be a corroded or loose connection in the circuit.
If you put an ear near the injector pump & have someone turn on the ignition, you will hear it click if it's working. OR disconnect & reconnect the wire with the ignition on.
What does the solenoid look like. I just found a loose wire
If I could only be this lucky ??????
Johnny, do you see in the pic where that wire goes? Pulled out of that spade connector.
Yes ! You are lucky if it functions when you solder that wire onto the spade connector. That was a sorry crimp job.
Yes I didnt want to put it back on until you told me to.
Johnny, with your ignition switch on, touch that wire to the spade, you should hear a click.
YES IT CLICKED !!
So I had one injector line off. So bleed that line at the injector ? How about the other injectors ? I did not loosen any of those.
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If that's the only wire going to your injection pump, then I guess you found it. Sorry about confusing you earlier, I was thinking of a different injection pump style. If you didn't run out of fuel, then there's no need to bleed the injector lines. Tighten that one up and it should start right up.
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Mine does it every couple years. I can't find good quality spade connectors. Vibration I guess.
New, replacement solenoids have a stud and nut to attach the wire.
Absolutely makes sense...you can't do your thing if you have to babysit,so the more you learn em the less you have to watch em.....We've all been green and I always appreciated all the things that the previous "keepers" showed me....problem is these days ya show them the same thing 3 times and they still don't get it.....oops still haven't figured out the quote/post thing yet,maybe someone can tell me 2 more times
Last time I needed one my Case Dealer came up NLA. They offered no alternate number. It was identical to my Dresser bulldozer. My Dresser dealer had one on the shelf. No telling how long it had been there.
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The Case dealer did you a favor Willie. I see Messick's wants over $100.00 for one. There are a lot of vendors selling them on the internet for as low as $40 and change.
3/22/25 old messages are still helping. fuel pressure from lift pump but no fuel out of pump. thought there might be something shutting it off. now I'll go look and check. thanks
How about telling use what kinda injection pump u have and maybe some numbers.. DO NOT SCRAPE THE NAME PLATE.. its thin tin and u can easily scratch the #’s off..
U3042F840 21800165HHU A71 L-1100-1-2400 Thats all the #s on the [late top to bottom. I've had it since 2004, never replaced injector pump or lift pump. maybe it's time.
Dam.. that was quick.!! U lost me on the last post.. “Fuel pressure from lift pump but no fuel out of pump” I’m gonna assume that u have fuel out of lift pump going to the injection pump but no fuel outta the injection pump.. Loosen the 5/16 bleeder screw by the name plate and crank the engine.. it should shoot about 6ft.. If it does, snug it back up.. Loosen ALL THE STEEL LINES AT THE INJECTORS FROM THE PUMP..(or as many as you can reach) Pull the throttle wide open and make sure the long leg on the shut off lever is pointing toward the radiator..(forward) Now crank the engine until fuel starts spitting out of the loosened lines.. Once that happens, tighten the lines at the injectors and start the engine..
that's correct fuel to lift pump to the injector pump but not out. I seen the 5/16 but didn't touch it. and I also didn't touch the throttle. getting dark now. I will try this in the morning. thank you!
I can handle the 1st replacement problem, if it comes down to it.
How long has this sat unused.??
Alrighty then.. might as well stay on this thread.. unless someone has other ideas.?? See ya tomorrow..
it has been sitting since, September. I took off all the cylinders then and rebuilt them, new hoses. (winter Job) getting ready to go try again.
Let us know how you make out.
Put air to tank, opened bleeders had fuel to the 5/16 bolt turned over motor no fuel going to the injector lines. stopped turning over motor. decided to check fuel shut off had grandson turnkey off then on, could not feel it click (getting power) tried again solenoid started getting very warm. there are a few leaks on the pump (where linkage is) maybe it would be better to change it out. it's at least 22 years old. Not a bad run.
spring loaded piece i called linkage.
Those pumps were made to run, PLUS OR MINUS A BUCKET OF DIRT…
Gonna send u a prvt msg.
I will keep an eye out for it.