Had summer fuel still in tank and temperature dropped to -20 the other day machine fired up and idled but would not rev up pulled and replaced fuel filter added winter diesel and conditioner to tank fires up and idles little rougher then usual will not rev up still any help on the next step would be appreciated
got to get the pump and the lines and the injectors warm . lots of fireproof blankets and a heater or get it inside
point a torpedo heater at motor not to close give it time after a hour if it idles let it idle keep heater on for little while longer
If it runs, let it idle until it smooths out, then try to rev it. It will either warm up and mix up the fuel, or die. If it still won't rev, is the governor shaft moving?
I've let it idle for over an hour one time it died it will try to rev up but basically sputters it's been plugged in all day engine is nice and warm are you guys saying the pump and injector lines may not be getting warm enough to clear the gelled fuel?
What was the temperature when it was running? It ran an hour and THEN died??? If it dies quick then I'd guess the lines are still plugged, but running an hour should heat the fuel enough to mix it up, dissolve the wax and let it rev. Any chance you have ice in the lines? Did you cut open the old filter when you took it off, or pour out the contents?
It's been close to -20 today and I start it up and it sits there and idles but rougher then usual for quite a while then chokes itself out yeah I cut the filter getting it off it was about half jelled I then added half disel 911 and winter diesel and put the new one on and it basically still does the same thing
OK, I didn't think that was cold enough to do it, but sure sounds like you need to get the whole thing warm/warmer. Maybe wrap a tarp around the radiator to keep cold air from blowing over it. Keep it plugged in, run it occasionally, let the heat build up.
thats what i'am saying, its takes a long time to un freeze a line to be full flow, for it to idle tells me theres a very minium flow getting to the injectors, and you need time and heat to do its job. a diesel uses a circuiturary system in other words it lets un used fuel flow back into the tank and only uses at the injector what it needs at that instant ( thats how they cool the injectors ) . warming your filters, pump, injector pump, lines etc are the way to un freeze. with -20f hitting the fuel filter and lines it'll never unfreeze. 911 and other anti freeze aids have their place but , you cant replace time and heat , keep it warm if useing a heater, if not useing a heater and it idles put a blanket around all filters and lines so heat from block will get to them. if ya git a trouble light use some tin foil with light around it with the filter , keep the cold air off fuel areas!!! give it time !!!! 2nd thing to consider is maybe you also got some air in it ???
summer blend will start to wax back up at 30f. so id really say you need to get a light bulb around your filter and wrap it to keep it warm until you can get it to run good for 30 minutes , then get it inside right away. you cant leave it outside!!!! then and until you add at least 40 % kerosene to the volume in your tank you have now to make it winter blend and shake machine to mix and run for another 1/2 hour , dont park it outside until next fueling with good winter blend.
I will tarp it and put the Herman Nelson at the engine and see how that goes in the morning I have nowhere warm to keep it inside
i see you got a issue !!! ok 1st 911 emergency is a band-aid , howles, anti-gel etc is aok if it was added before into the tank and mixed , the real only way to make winter blend is too add kerosene thats what the big boys do ( i mean the diesel distributers ) they blend the the fuel for the region and for the temp. the guys way up north in canada have heaters on every part of their fuel system and even in their tanks. you just started off on the wrong foot. and since your stuck outside. this sucks but ya should do it right the ist time !!!! get and keep everything as warm as you can !!!!!! buy your winter blend and kero and keep it indoors to keep it warm as possible until you pour it into machine . drain the tank , this will insure you dump any water and dirt you have in tank .( look you'll see it) in between adding the winter fuel put in some anti gel ( can't hurt ). if your not positive you got winter blend add 3 gals kero for every 7 gals fuel oil still add the anti gel ( cant hurt). remove all your filters again ( i assume you put on new ones the 1st time ) . make a batch of 50% kero and 50% fuel oil with some 911 added mix well and use to fill the filters . prime system more then you think you need too. actually its best probably to do all your filter work 1st and just before you prime add your warm fuel to the tank. you might get lucky doing this another way but i can almost assure you doing it this way you won't be doing it again!!! good luck there's one other option , buy beer wait for a warmer day !
One thing about this 911 Additive that some do not understand, actually does sound strange but here is what Power Service says: Diesel 911 is a winter emergency use product. This Winter Rescue Formula reliquefies gelled fuel and de-ices frozen fuel-filters to restore the flow of diesel fuel to an engine. Diesel 911 does not prevent fuel gelling – use Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost (in the white bottle) as a preventive measure to keep fuel from gelling. Turfblazer has the right ideas, especially the last one! A good IPA is better than that 911.
I'd go with straight #1 diesel until you can run through a tankfull. At 20 below straight #1 wouldn't be a bad idea even after you get it going.
As Old Iron Habit posted about the ND farmer who kept his tractor antifreeze in a buried barrel to start it in any weather, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Not for everyone, but one way to warm up a diesel is a garden hose. Run water over the engine and tank until the ice melts off, then warm the lines and filters. It doesn't have to be warm, covered in ice at the freezing point is plenty warm enough. That assumes you're in Southern Canada with groundwater above 40F, if you're in the Arctic obviously that doesn't apply. And #1 is just as good as kerosene as far as I know, probably cheaper and maybe more available.
Tapped it in and after an hour it ran and revved well took the heat away and went to move revs went back down and I cannot move put the heat back and it was happy again got it on high idle right now going to get more fuel to add to it as it is at half a tank in hopes it gets to pure #1 fuel soon
If you have half a tank by all means fill it with #1. Use straight number one until temps get close to 30F for highs again. Then go to 50/50 blend. You will get maybe 5% less power on #1 but most machines it is not noticeable. Also fill your tank at the end of every use. Warm fuel from the return and the resulting warm tank invites condensation when it is cold. You will get more water/ice and issues if not kept full.
Thank you everyone for your help after keeping heat on the machine all day and running at high idle for hours with a full tank of winter fuel it has gone back to normal and was able to perform its job today