Caterpillar will no longer make engines for the USA Truck and Bus market 2010. http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?action=printpage;topic=10103.0
But look for a Cat/Man powered day cab by then. Where you would normally see a Peterbilt, Kenworth, Sterling or Freightliner logo, there will be a Caterpillar logo. Yep.... Some inside sources who work for Cat told me so. Maybe they were blowing smoke up my exhaust ? Who knows... Cat entering the class 7-8 truck market? :beatsme Interesting.
Cat and International are working on a joint venture to produce a vocational truck, supposedly tough enough to live up to the Cat name. I don't know if they've released a production date yet.
This was broadcast by CAT in June. They are going to build Super Heavy Duty Trucks. Oil Field etc. I think its a bad idea TBH. Develop a line of Cat heavy duty vocational trucks (dump, cement mixer, etc.) for the North American market, with an initial product offering – designed to compliment Cat construction equipment – targeted for 2010. Design and manufacture a line of medium and heavy duty commercial trucks (line haul, delivery) for markets outside of North America. Cooperate on engine development, incorporating their “best in class” technologies from both companies, outside of urea-based (SCR) technology. Develop mid-range engines for light-duty applications such as school busses and utility vehicles. Caterpillar has determined independently that it will not supply EPA 2010 compliant engines to truck and other on-highway original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). Caterpillar and their dealers will continue to provide industry-leading product support and service well beyond 2010 for all customers who operate Caterpillar on-highway engines regardless of truck brands Expand an existing remanufacturing relationship to include Navistar’s MaxxForce on-highway engines and additional remanufacturing opportunities.
Cat getting out of US engine production for heavy trucks is a huge suprise to me. I used to plow a Blue Beacon truck wash,and at least 1/2 the trucks had a yellow engine when the cab was lifted to clean the motor.I bet it was closer to 60-80% of them. To think they wont be a player in that field anymore leaves huge opportunity for Detriot Diesel and Cummins.I always loved the big 3406,even though Cat is especially proud of its parts.
I would guess the constant change of EPA regs. makes it un attractive. By the time they got the tier 3 in production tier 4 was on it's way. Constant design change mut be a PIA and take a big bite out of the profit. my $.02
They said on road is only 10% of their buisness.
It is my understanding that with Paccar going to vertical integration, and only using their own engines in the future, killed the biggest part of Cat's highway engine market. I'm sure the cost of regulations was also a big part of the decision. Basically with the truck manufacturers wanting more profit out of their complete units they are proceeding at curtailing the custom market. You order a 379 Pete or a W900 KW and you are going to be real limited on what you can specify. It's a changing world.
The Paccar engines, to the best of my knowledge, are Cummins. So the new heavy truck engine market will consist of Mercedes/Detroit, Cummins, Mann/International and Mack?
Actually the new Paccar engines are what you could call a joint venture with DAF, but also Paccar owns DAF. And Paccar built a new engine plant in Columbus, Mississippi. http://www.daf.ie/contentv3/index.cfm?fuseaction=page&pageID=10808&parentID=10793 http://www.daf.com/EN/Pages/Homepage-DAF-Trucks-NV.aspx
The initial small Paccar engines were Cummins, but the new big bores are DAF. Going to be kinda funny seeing a Cat truck with an International/MAN motor eh? Personally I applaud Cat for calling it quits. The new government mandated emmissions policies are a load of crap.(cleaner exhaust, burn double the fuel:Banghead) Clearly all the new motors are more expensive, less reliable, harder on fuel and more complex than the old ones. Not to mention they run like crap. It's good to see that they don't want to ruin their reputation any further than they already have with these ACERT disasters. I had to run one of our 2002 models the other day to move our big Morbark grinder and was reminded of just how much better those old single turbo Cat's run. Smooth, has throttle response, tons of power and well over 6 mpg. Then back to the new shakin' vibrating slow revving ACERT boat anchor so I can run at a best of 5 mpg to "save the environment".
I think Pete and Paystar have it about right. With constantly shifting regulations by governments that don't have a clue as to the economic damage they are causing with every change, why continue to beat your head into the wall when you have much more profitable markets available. I don't know where all this constant change is taking us, but I'm glad I'm mostly out of it now.
Cat should have made this decsion to quit before they came up with the great idea of the Acert. Workin on the second 3406e engine swap in an Acert truck in the past 2 months. A lot cheaper in the long run with less trouble and better fuel mileage
I was looking at the truck add's and ran into this. 2008 PETERBILT 335 Engine Specs: Paccar Engine Type: PX 8 That made me take another look. Big ass Turbo; And what is that big tank for? 800 FT LBS - 260 HP Mechanics nightmare http://www.paccar.com/engines/ The PX 8 in this picture looks a lot like an 8.3 Cummins to me. Cannot get over that big ass Tubo unit. http://www.glgroup.com/News/The-2010-US-Diesel-Engine-Landscape---Paccars-Approach-Will-Be-Most-Changed-Without-Cat-25704.html
Coolant recovery tank. The PACCAR branded engines are "based on" the Cummins engines. The PX8 is based on the ISC (8.3).
Cat truck engines are the best truck engines ever made still cant get used to living without them..
obviously you don't own any acerts. Or you wouldn't have that same tune. They really peaked in the on road market with the 15.8L 3406E. after 2000 it was all down hill for cat on road.
Yes very lucky not to have an accert.Doesn't sound like they were very good.. Got one of the last C16 600 that were made. Have owned Cat powered trucks since 1984 and haven't regretted it yet.
The family goes back all the way to the "legend builder" 1693. Even some 3408's and 3406A, and B's. owning a 06 acert made me a cummins man....
I saw one of the Paccar engines on display at an expo last year. The first thing I noticed is that a large truck size oil filter is mounted on the side of the block vertically...but upside down!!! if you ask me that is a bad start in engineering, hopefully it gets better from there.
Hate to be mean, but Cat did it to themselves from what I hear. Everybody else embraced cooled EGR, but Cat refused and spent boo-coos money developing ACERT (and the marketing to go with), and now its come back to bite them with 2010 emissions that ACERT can't meet. Just what I heard......
EGR is coming back on caterpillar engines, It looks _very_ complicated and requires alot of space since it is combined with a cathalytic unit as well, not looking forward to it.
we have about 35 ACERTS and their great. had a few problems with valve actuators but thats it. and of course cat takes care of them, even if their out of warranty! won't get that to happen with cummins! gonna have to get myself a new Pete before i can't get a cat in it anymore.
Are you still able to buy a Cat truck engine in the States.??
yes you can up in till they run out of 2009 engines, which will probably be sometime in the first few months of 2010. they can still put a 2009 engine in a truck in 2010 as long as the engine was manufactured in 2009.
I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread yet or not, but Caterpillar will be supplying engine blocks to International for a new heavy truck engine they are developing. From what I've read it's only the blocks, International will be building the rest.
i'm sure its already been mentioned somewhere but there is also going to be a Cat branded truck which is a joint venture between cat and international.
New Cat/International Engine with an International wrapped around it, boy what a great truck that will be. The happiest day of my trucking career was when my 2005 International with C13 Cat left the gates headed to Atlanta with another owner in the seat and a wire transfer in my bank account.:cool2 It does seem like Cat (truck engine wise) and International both peaked around 2000 or so and has slid down since then.
Does anyone have the link to Cat Truck Engine Specs Old and new.??
That turbo is no bigger than a standard one. You wanna see big turbo go find a picture of a 1693 caterpillar. Now that's big.