Here are some of our D9's pulling pans from various jobs we have done over the past couple of years. Everyone seems to be interested in this set up so I thought I would share some photos.
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Everybody say what you want. It is still one h--- of a set up just as it was 60 years ago (Does not seem like that long does it?) Oh well, time flies when you are having fun.
They are an awesome set up, thanks for sharing the pics. Would love to see more if you got them, a video would be great too.
Awesome..... but would hate to finance the U/C (s)
Great pictures they look flippon cool
Those Cat and Pans look like an interesting set-up. In a short haul spread I can see where they would really haul some dirt. I would like to work around them some time. Nice pictures too. Do you work for ESS?
Yeah I work for Ess on a pipe crew but we are always working around the dirt guys. They try to keep the 9's running on 1000 ft. runs or less. Any farther than that we will use rubber tire scrapers or trucks and hoe.
Thanks for sharing your pictures. Keep up the good work on the pipe crew, our best operators and foreman came off the pipe crews. Have you ever had a chance to take one of those D9's for spin?
Yeah I used one once to help smooth up a cut and haul rode before a big thunderstorm hit to get rid of water holes and I really liked it.
I use to boss for a outfit that ran these setup (Cat&Pans) only we had D8 and I believe 463 pans these look to be homemade. They will move some serious dirt especially if you can set your job up to double haul say after placing fill, strip topsoil heading back to the cut. Just like stated we would keep areas to under a 1000'. Everybody thinks the undercarriage expense is high but it's not, what kills a undercarriage is "REVERSE" these machines never see reverse.
That is what I was thinking. They have no heavy blade up front and they never see reverse or any steep side slopes. I would think that the undercarriage would last fairly long depending on soil types you are running in.
Of course the material makes a big difference but running hard every day you got about a year and a half out of an undercarriage but it holds up much better than rubber tires in rocky conditions.
Dirthog is 101% on the money, when people look at these setups they just cant figure how they can move dirt cheap but think of this, when using open bowl single power scrapers you always have a push dozer so here we only pay 1 operator not 2, have no tyre or powertrain or fuel bills on the scraper and so many other things aswell you would have to be dumb not to understand how this combo is not the cheapest dirt moved around within a set of parameters.
Good pictures do not see anything like this in australia would love to see pictures of them working
Onlly thing I have noticed on under carriage on this type of application is that the wear is inside the links of the rail. But, overall life is good on the undercarriage. To speed up loadings we sometimes use a D7G as a push cat behind D8K pulling a Cat No. 80 and another 7G pulling a Cat No. 70.
They are about the most versitile piece of equipment I know of, nice pics
awesome kit love a go at that d9...nice machines
You are from Missouri who do you work for? I'm from are St. louis area.
What is the reason for using planetary wheels on the front instead of cheaper free rolling wheels like on the back?
I am sure the wheels were cheap from the scraper that donated most of the rest of itself to the conversion, the planetaries would have all the internals removed so are free rolling in every sense of the word even though it still looks like a planetary.
I work for Emery Sapp and Sons
cat's and pans great shots and keep them comming and a vid would be great. thanks ts-24 frank
Didn't know they had any Dozer's pulling pans? They got much work around the Missouri area?
They sold almost all of the 9's and pans this last winter because of the slowdown. We have alot of bridge and paving work but dirt work and pipe work(which I do) are pretty slow right now, about like everyone else.
Undercarriage wear As long as the tractor stays in forward and not reverse I'd expect fairly long undercarriage life in most ground conditions. It's the reverse travel that shortens u/c life. 39.5 x 35 scraper tires are also very expensive to replace. At least tracks aren't succeptable to punctures, sidewall or spin cuts.
That kind of setup gets used here lots except it's with D8H's and D8K's some are still cable too. I have seen the occasional D8N or D8L but it works great heavy clays soils like here where we have gumbo like you've never seen before. Some of the old guys I know that run them say they're really good with trimming work since your not bouncing around like a rubber tire buggy.
Not necessarily true, McAninch had a hard time keeping up with all their undercarriage break downs. Then the operators spinning the tracks to get loaded. Most of their 10T's were slick pads. Running a dozer in 3rd gear is not easy on it. When the D10's were cutting they still needed another dozer in the cut to rip for them and some cases push them.
Or eliminate the tires...
What is the ride like on those 9630's Kolb runs with the tracks over the tires, and also does it make it harder to turn. I have seen them run that setup on 67 HWY in southeastern missouri and they are running them now here in osage beach missouri. I have been curious about them as I have never seen that setup before.
well one word ROUGH! No it doesnt effect that tractor at all same abilities. Sucks a little power away as you can imagine. The first one we had I ran to make sure if it was all right. Jeff Kolb came out and rode with me for an hour and talked to me a little bit. He said wow these are kinda rough I just looked at him. He only had to be in there for an hour I had it all day. They have done a few things to make it ride better but they are still kinda rough. But they work Ill give them that, cheap to run and no more tire repair. I thought there was no way it would work when Jeff told me about it but it does. Give credit to the man for thinking outside the box thats for sure.
I would say you will have diff/transmission problems with that Deere before too long. It is designed to work with tyres where wheelslip will protect the driveline, here you have a situation almost 0% wheelslip & extremely high torque loadings
yup defiantly, but heres the catch they bought the extended warranty or some crap and Deere warranties them 110 percent. Cab mounts going out to soon, tractor breaking in half (seen this happen), shatering the front windows out, bending the frame, breaking differentials, everything warrantied. this is all coming from the guys in Moline telling the dealer to warranty everything at all cost. Even gave us 26 inch flat screen tvs with camera's watching the cutting edge on your 2nd and 3rd pan so no more guessing if your cutting or not. All at John Deere's expense.
Sounds like that is a great deal for a company. Deere must be trying to slow Cat's business in the towed scraper market.
Yup, they pretty much giving those John Deere away. Even TJ Lambrecht has like 30 of them and sold their Challengers. Caterpillar let Kolb Demo one of their mt975's and they put tracks on it. The head Mechanic for Fabick came out and said *** take those off. Cat said they would void any warranty immediatly if we bought their tractors and put those on. On another subject heard Emery and Sapp was able to pick up another section of 54 highway. Beat Kolb by a little bit, so guess you all are getting a little work.
Do it every day here with D8K's and No. 80 Cat pans. Awsome combination. Did have to put a D7G pushing on the last job here cutting limestone. Still was cost competitive.
He more than likely knew about the same idea that cat put on their large wheel loaders in the late sixties early seventies,was it called Dystred track or something like that?? I 've seen it mentioned before on this forum. I forgot to mention but those pullscrapers have probablely been converted from 621/627's Neil
Pretty sure those are dystreads, looks like they recentred the wheels. We ran them and the beadless tyres whis are a never version of dystreat on our 980Bs and 988Bs and they were great in the rock, but the dystead would go through bushings like mad,the beadless had no bushings.
That is a very nice outfit you guys are running, keep up the good work. More pictures would be nice too
That setup looks impressive, would like to have a go in one. I saw a D7H pulling a scoop here in NZ the other day, was building up tracks on a dairy farm, only problem was the 2 or 3km round trip to the pit! what a retard!!
Here are some new pictures from some current jobs we have going on.
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Nice pics, thanks for sharing. Looks like things are picking up for you guys again?
We where fairly busy this spring and summer but it looks like things are going to be a little slow this fall but you never know. It seems the commercial work in this area has stayed pretty strong.
do you use that D9R with the blade as a push cat? we use the same setup but with smaller scrapers and a D7R but we find it's definitely not ideal for us with that type of blade because those corner bits will destroy a tire if the scrapers are working in a tight corner or something and the cat isn't perfectly straight to the scraper. those tires aren't cheap. Our guys have to be real careful with that push cat
No they don't use push cats at all with the 9's. It is extremely hard on the pans with a D-9 pulling and pushing and the 9's self load extremely well.
Most of the dozers we used for pushing had full blades. The dozer hand just had to know to back off if the scraper started turning.
They used to push load but after 3 bottoms ripped out no more of that. If you keep the area ripped if it is rocky they self load easily.
There is nothing wrong with pushing with a full blade. It isn't a good idea in rock, you can roll a rock right in to the rear tire. A cushion blade is a lot safer and faster in the cut.
I never though about rocks, but we never had an issue. Most of the rock we got into was fractured so not much big stuff and what there was got chased out and blasted. Although if your cut is done right and your not trimming the slope you shouldn't have many rocks kicking around.
nkh111 does ESS still use D9's and pull pans? Also was wondering if they are gonna be doing any laundry?
Yeah they still use the D-9s and pans. They are all in osage beach missouri right now.
wow guess my phone changed hiring to laundry? So are they hiring?
Not sure. I know they hired several new guys this past spring, but like most companies here in missouri we are slowing down for the winter months. But they usually do some hiring in late winter/spring time. Yeah laundry left me a little confused.