I think in the how high can it go thread we talked about airline fuel. Well in an emergency diesel engines can burn kerosene, trucks are more important than vacations on planes, right? Anyone here know how much fuel a normal jet engine on say a 737 burns per hour?
Google says 5000 pounds (750 gallon) per hour. About 0.67 mpg for plane and close to 100 mpg/passenger. I can do a lot of digging with 750 gallons of fuel.
I know it's barely anything to a lot of you guys but here I sit with 4 empty 5 gallon diesel cans...
Don't know about jet fuel but my sphincter tightens exponentially when the fuel truck comes through the gate to fill our 2 - 500 gal tanks..
It doesn't bother my sphincter nearly as much as my wallet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditi...el-shortage-eastern-half-us-freightwaves-says Major trucking fleets across the eastern half of the US are preparing for an "imminent" diesel shortage, according to logistics firm FreightWaves . Founder and CEO of FreightWaves Craig Fuller said "3 very large fleets" are preparing for diesel pumps at fuel stations to run dry. Drivers of these fleets received notifications about fuel shortages that could materialize in the coming weeks across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. Major truckstop chains Loves and Pilot warning about imminent diesel shortages in the eastern half of the US — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 Fuller tweeted several messages that drivers received from fleet operators. The notifications were alarming. pic.twitter.com/yFYyjzYMWE — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 Another one pic.twitter.com/eQak0zptQW — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 pic.twitter.com/b4kHLpmeIl — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 We’ve confirmed with a number of fleets they are hearing consistent messages from the stops — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 Georgia, Carolinas, Maryland, and Pennsylvania - were the specific areas that could be impacted. We heard that as many of 25% of their retail locations could see shortages in the East — Craig Fuller (@FreightAlley) May 11, 2022 He also tweeted what appears to be an unnamed industry insider explaining the historic mess hitting Mid-Atlantic and Northeast markets is a combination of crude being diverted from the US to Europe and supply chains issues along the East Coast.
Yeah but if the plane is close to empty then that mpg/ passenger goes way down. No matter it is still a huge fuel depletion, what is the daily world wide jet fuel burn? I bet it beats all other forms of transportation.
All of this has been caused intentionally, it is not incompetence...
Politics aside, this is gonna be a rough ride for all the smaller players. Just like emissions pushed hundreds of Mom n pops out of business, this will too.
It’s 1973 all over again.
What happened in 1973? That was a little before my time
Gas lines, fuel rationing, could only get fuel on odds or even days. It was bad.
A manufactured shortage done by the oil companies. There was plenty of oil in Canada and private service stations made a bundle. Oil companies took over most all the private entities and got smart on how to make huge profits. Bohica!
I've read that the "president " has canceled 2 additional oil leases, one in the gulf and one in Alaska. You would almost think someone is trying to destroy our country
We had something similar a while back here with full widespread power loss for days and 1 station open with a generator. Line was like half a mile. I always keep extra in the truck so never needed to wait in that line but I was thinking the difference between now and 1973 is that now you could go down to the station at 3am and use your card, maybe. That was my plan back then but never needed to use it.
Now , we're going to have to lock fuel caps, armor plate the cats and put your welding cables in a locked cabinet. Anything that ain't bolted down or protected will be a target to bottom-feeding vermin.
Nice to hear a positive assessment of the situation.
Just me being me, sorry, can't help it.
We've all ready had fuel stolen.
Yep, we will do that so they have something to use their grinders on... I hate thieves
Always thought if I couldn't make the coming recession in the business, I'd park everything and go into the sheriff's dept I'm sure crime goes up as prosperity goes down.
I need one of you to plan on supporting me.
The Biden administration canceled all three remaining offshore oil and gas lease sales late Wednesday as gasoline prices hit an all-time high. The Department of the Interior (DOI), which oversees all lease sales on federal lands and waters, said a sale spanning 1.09 million acres in the Cook Inlet in Alaska was canceled due to a “lack of industry interest” while two in the Gulf of Mexico were canceled “due to factors including conflicting court rulings,” in a statement Thursday to The Daily Caller News Foundation. With the cancellations, there are no more federal offshore oil and gas lease sales scheduled . The three sales were scheduled under the current five-year offshore lease plan that expires in late June. Under the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act of 1953, the DOI is mandated to issue five-year plans with a list of proposed offshore lease sales. However, the Biden administration has delayed issuing a new plan and in April DOI Secretary Deb Haaland said there is still a “significant amount of work” to do before the agency publishes the plan. The administration even suggested that the next offshore oil and gas lease sale wouldn’t take place until after October 2023 in the DOI’s FY23 budget proposal. The API and the National Ocean Industries Association (NOIA) published a report in March warning that a failure to issue a new offshore lease plan would result in tens of thousands of lost jobs and a decline of 500,000 thousand barrels of oil per day in domestic production. In November, the DOI held a 1.7-million-acre offshore oil and gas lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico. The administration, though, announced it wouldn’t appeal a federal court ruling nixing the sale in February. CBS News first reported the lease sale cancelations Wednesday evening. https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/12/joe-biden-administration-oil-gas-lease-sales/
The powers that be are mulling over price fixing as well. Politics aside, price fixing does two things- creates severe shortages at the “official” price and creates thriving black markets where you get to pay three times what would be the market price for crap because it’s all you can get. Imagine trading s crisp $100 bill for a five gallon can of gasoline that’s half full of water and you have a good idea of what will happen under that scheme.
I had a couple of 1 gallon "Gasoline" cans on a trailer where I hauled my skidsteer. These two cans actually had diesel in them, but you would have to know that. I was in back of a place working, and when I came back to the trailer, both cans, empty, were laying on the ground next to the trailer. I have always wondered how the thief's car ran after that. The cans were the red "Gasoline" cans, and I had written "Gas" on them with a marker. I "assume" the person did not check before quickly dumping them in this tank!
The vehicle in question they put the diesel in was worth less than the diesel they stole.
Shell and Chevron are reporting record earnings. I wonder how that could happen?
The answer is POLITICS. Unfortunately I can't make any further comment even though petroleum is the one product that brings us together here.
The east coast has less than half the amount of distillate products stored than average and almost 30% less than previous low. Bloomberg said the diesel in storage on the east coast is at an all-time low since they started tracking it in the 90s.
I just filled up my 3/4 ton truck with diesel today, wasn't even on the light yet. And it cost me $180 to fuel it up.
I suppose the official reason for all this is the Diesel fairy.
I remember the Carter Fuel Embargo period, Reagan came in and all seemed to run away. More about international Corporations and making lucrative calls when some idiot gets into a game play in a political sense, the internationals use that idiocy to ply their products at ever expanding profits margins. Some jerk speaks Environmentally Minded as to decisions and the rest of us take the beating.
Just filled up my LandCruiser ute, 150 litres at $2 a litre, you do the math. Fun times.
Suncor in Canada reported record revenues for the 1st quarter at 2.95 billion! Last year was "only" 880 million or something like that. Suncor also owns Petro Canada. Alberta dropped the carbon tax since they are also getting record royalties from all the producers in the oilsands such as Suncor.
America’s Diesel Stockpiles Are Rapidly Dwindling, Fuel Rationing On The Horizon The U.S. stockpile of diesel fuel, which is vital for the transportation sector and economy at large, hit a nearly two-decade low as fuel prices hit a record high Wednesday. The nationwide stockpile of distillate fuel oil — a category that includes diesel and fuel oil — declined to about 104 million barrels, the lowest level since May 2005, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) reported Wednesday. East Coast inventories declined to 21.3 million barrels of diesel fuel or about two weeks worth of supply, the lowest level since data was first recorded in 1990. “I wouldn’t be surprised to see diesel being rationed on the East Coast this summer,” John Catsimatidis, the CEO of United Refining Co., told Bloomberg on Wednesday. “Right now inventories are low and we may see a shortage in coming months.” The average cost of diesel fuel in the U.S., meanwhile, surpassed $5.56 a gallon Thursday, the highest level ever recorded, AAA data showed . Diesel, which has been characterized as the “lifeblood of the global economy,” is vital for the construction, mining and agriculture sectors. The transportation industry alone consumed 122 million gallons of diesel per day in 2020. “What we’ve seen this year has been the capabilities to turn oil into diesel and gasoline and jet fuel have diminished,” Jacques Rousseau, a managing director at Clearview Energy Partners, told The Daily Caller News Foundation in an interview. Rousseau added that diesel fuel inventory levels and production have plummeted due to a decrease in refinery capacity nationwide. Several refineries, which process crude oil and turn it into diesel, have closed in recent years largely due to the COVID-19 pandemic-induced recession in 2020, he said. Seven refineries, which processed a total of about 806,000 barrels of oil per day, have shut down over the last three years, leaving the U.S. with 124 operating refineries, down more than 10% since 2016, according to the EIA. Total U.S. operating refinery capacity fell 4.5% between 2020-2021 to 17.7 million barrels per day, its lowest level since 2013. Meanwhile, bans on Russian fuels in the U.S. and Europe amid the Ukraine crisis has put even more pressure on the American energy industry which has sought to fill the gaps in the global supply chain. Although the U.S. is a net exporter of distillate fuel oil, it imported 77,000 barrels of the product from Russia in February. “A lot of countries won’t accept Russian fuels anymore. So, that has caused a need for more diesel around the world and the U.S. is a major exporter of refined products. So U.S. diesel exports are up,” Rousseau told TheDCNF. “So, you have less capabilities, you got more exports and so what that’s doing is it’s drawing down the inventory levels in the U.S.” Increased fuel prices and the decline of diesel inventory levels have already led to higher consumer costs, he added. The two largest American transportation and freight companies — UPS and Union Pacific — have upped their individual fuel surcharges to account for the market instability. Union Pacific, which transports freight via rail, hiked its surcharge to a whopping 39% this month. In addition, the U.S. food sector has also been impacted by the higher fuel prices. Higher diesel prices are “certainly going to translate into more expensive goods,” Patrick De Haan, an analyst at the research firm GasBuddy, told CNBC. Tyson Foods, one of the largest U.S. food producers, noted that ” inflationary pressures across the supply chain” have led to higher costs in its earnings report Monday. Food prices increased 9.4% between May 2021 and April, the largest jump since 1981, according to the Department of Labor. https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/12/united-states-diesel-fuel-inventories-prices/
California is getting close to Europe diesel prices. Watching the giro d'italia and at one station diesel was 1.80 euro per liter, about $7.09 per gallon. It used to be that Europe was much more expensive than the US for fuel.
I am sure it started OK from fuel in the line, and ran OK unless the check engine light came on (lol). But starting the engine cold might be a problem base on what fraction of the gas in the tank is actually diesel
Thats exactly what it is here in Saskatchewan Canada as well. $1.99, and i felt that was "cheap" mid winter i was having to pay $2.25 while i was in the mountains.
It sounds like I'm below the average price but I went and filled up my 4 five gallon cans for 100 bucks yesterday. That's too much!
Y not. Conflict of interest? Just asking.
In UK today here was £1.83/litre or £7.32/US gallon, that is $9.00 a gallon. Since April 1st cannot use rebated -tax diesel (red) in anything other than farm or forestry work. So a lot of adjustment needed by construction and generator users.
I can't see how we can go on consuming this amount of fuel indefinitely. It's a blunt way of implementing change, but I'm sure we will see some changes certainly here in UK with $9/gal fuel. Innovation lead by necessity. Hopefully in a useful and not detrimental direction.
This is an engineered shortage. Created by politicians to spank Russians, it just so happens to fatten the oil companies since our oil is now being competed for globally. We are the shrews in the box, not the Russians.
It’s a topic for another thread but you aren’t meeting the energy requirements of trucking, construction or farming with battery or hydrogen. another factor is the same idiots who think everything internal combustion can and will be replaced by so called “green” technology are the same idiots doing everything they can to destroy power generation.
If the world in large stopped buying Russian fuel that has an impact on fuel scarcity The real question becomes is this a reaction to an inflated weaker us dollar for the amount of currency in circulation it would occur to me that this is a market reaction a weaker purchase power in the dollar
Cummins has a 18 liter hydrogen engine in a Diamler/Freightshaker on the road as a testbed currently. 18 liters, less than 1000 ft/lbs of torque and 270hp. Yeah, sounds like a real replacement. Just what Americans want, less torque and horsepower. Back to 15 and 18 speeds and miles long traffic backed up behind one semi pulling uphill. I mean, good for Cummins for at least trying to get ahead of it. Unfortunately, it sounds like there's a ways to go. Time will tell...
No conflict on my part. In the last 2 years I've been banned or jailed for making my point of view known, even banned for quoting Mark Twain FFS.
"The transportation industry alone consumed 122 million gallons of diesel per day in 2020." If the average 737 has about 6000 gallons (maybe more or less), I just saw on a web site that just american airlines runs about 5000 flights a day. So add up the others as well. Yes not all are consuming 6000 gallons per flight but it still beats the diesel number hugely.
the issue with hydrogen is currently it takes as much or more energy (I think at this point it’s more) to produce as it provides. Like “sustainable fusion reactions” hydrogen power has been “just around the corner” for many decades. at this point the research for “hydrogen power” is more or less grant farming and then there is no shortage of scammers looking to take potential investors (anything to do with “the miracle of blue gas” will be the latter)
Just released on News services, EPA going to Fix in place Derate rules for DEF Systems so will no longer be a Hazard to motoring when these monsters and RVs lose their minds as to the DEF systems. Most severe derate will be 50mph not 5, if can still see adequate emissions levels by sensors will only be a audible/visual warning and NO derating. Just have to get Mfrs to reprogram the processors to these parameters and establish that coding.
Oh, I hear ya. That makes us alumni. Cheers brother!
But isn't standard procedure to leave full and dump remaining excess fuel prior to landing? I remember reading that somewhere. Thought it to be asinine when I read it.
That is good news. So as long as HC particulate is ok, NOx will just annoy you with a moderate derate vs a forced idle?
I'm sure others will chime in. From what I was told by a pilot, pre-flight fuel load is determined based on flight route and calculated weight of cargo (passengers and bags), plus a percent extra. He said the planes almost never leave full, as that becomes extra weight they have to move, burning even more fuel on take off. In 2012, I was on a flight from Denver to Grand Rapids, MI. We boarded, taxi out to runway, and then sat for 90 minutes on a siding, waiting for clearance to take off. Pilot comes on, says we burned too much fuel waiting and we now have to go back to a gate and take on more fuel and that's what we did. The fuel truck wasn't hooked up 5 minutes and he said "we're good to go" and away we went. I don't know what the fuel fill rate was, but that seemed awfully fast to me.
As for fuel prices, I added a surcharge for customers outside a 20 mile radius from my house. $4.50/gallon for regular 87, $5.50/gallon for diesel now. I've been looking for a tandem dump truck still, and I'm starting to see prices trickle back down from their crazy highs last year. Everyone thought their clapped out, rust jacked, municipal single axle was worth over $10,000 last year, no matter what. Now they're listing for half that or less, where they were in 2019.
To the best of my knowledge dumping fuel only happens when a jet has to make an emergency landing and they still have to much fuel on board to land safely
Just in time freight is starting to see some changes caused by the fuel issue. The biggest waste is LTL shipping. Trucks running around without a full load on is a total waste of fuel and tires. I have to have to day freight is killing the buyer.
If they are over landing weight they will dump fuel. Jet aircraft are huge raw fuel polluters, and consumers. All that seems to be hush hush though, as well as the true price of the fuel, that all us help finance with our inflated prices on fuel. Hydrogen? Everyone says that hydrogen fuel cells are way more efficient at using hydrogen than is a fuel burning engine.
Only issue with Fuel Cells is from where the H2 comes from. 90% is from Natural Gas. If made from Water process then uses MORE energy to produce than delivers.
I am NOT really receptive to Battery All Electric machines, when this is a PROBLEM
BIL stated he has had to sit thru what to do WHEN these buses catch fire, NOT IF in the METRO STL Fleet he works on.
The Li battery fires for one, and then we now have Pentane for refrigerant in our freezers and refrigerators. And for what? And thanks to DPF Diesel trucks, buses, RV's etc. all on occasion catch fire as well.
Everyone thinks hydrogen for fuel cell comes from high school science experiment (i.e. electrolysis of water) but the hydrogen comes from fossil fuel as it is cheaper and more efficient.
Power sources are changing which will change expectations we attained in the last forty years. In the nineties I was told that there wasn't a part anywhere in the world that couldn't be in hand second day and there were no parts in the US that couldn't be in hand next day. I think that expectation is gone. Next expectation is any amount of cheap fuel available anywhere and in unlimited quantities. I see that slipping away right now. Things are changing and so far technologies have kept pace with societal expectations. That will be test in the next five years or so. Maybe the next item is shelves full of food and consumer goods in multiple stores a short distance from where ever you live. Hoping that my kids and grand kids don't feel that kind of hunger in their lifetimes.
You know John, as much as I respect your vast knowledge, experience, and ability in heavy equipment, your views on the current state of affairs in this country and what and why we are at this point are appalling. If our grocery stores run out of food, it isn't because technology hasn't kept up, it is because we as a society have gotten our heads stuck up our a$$es. The problems with everything right now are perfectly clear, IF a person is willing to accept the facts.
I thought he'd nailed it, right at the first sentence? Our expectations will have to change, given the realities faced.
Here in the frozen north, power sources cannot/should not change. Please tell me how in the **** we are supposed to farm millions of acres of dirt with electricity??????????????? The ******* power companies are already struggling to keep up, and we don't even have electric tractors yet. Unless you know of some magical unicorn **** that we will be able to use as fuel that will save the world???? They would not have to, if we weren't dealing with fantasies conceived by morons at the wheel, steering us right into an iceberg
The very type of idiots who are creating fuel shortages are trying to creat another type of fuel shortage https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05...ut-in-meat-consumption-in-australia/101075750
Remember. Diesel is essentially home heating oil. Wait until winter arrives. Elections have consequences.
$6.59 a gallon for diesel in my town. This is going to destroy everything as diesel trucks transport everything. Groceries, meds, gasoline, livestock feed.
The US is well on its way to becoming a third world hole. But at least we have no more icky tweets. Small price to pay.
With the current administration digging in, we don't have any options. They will keep pushing the green agenda. This last week I read where Texas was once again asked to turn up their thermostats. Said the drain on the power grid was too severe. They're only in spring, what's gonna happen come August? Our oil is not our oil. It belongs to the companies who extract and refine it. Unfortunately, they can sell for a higher profit when sold on the global market. We bid against countries in NATO and the UN. They get rich and ultimately we actually wind up purchasing fuel from Venezuela, they hate us! We, the US, have oil, gas and other natural resources. Our current government heads have tied our hands behind our backs. Diesel is the lifeblood of our country. I firmly believe this is an effort to destroy capitalism to make socialism more palatable.
I’ve read extensively on the history of communist revolutions in Russia, China, Cambodia, Cuba, and Venezuela. ALL of the things that led up to the communists seizing power are happening in the US. We currently have brown outs in major cities in the summer. How are we going to shift everything to electric when we can’t even provide for our needs now? And that’s before the leftists shut down dirty power plants and destroy the economy so there’s no money for power grid updates. Either our leaders are idiots or it’s intentional.
I'm with you, unfortunately, we're going to have to leave it there. If we continue down this path, we'll both be getting suspended or banned.
As of tonight Australia may have gone a similar path after the elections.
I have to admit ignorance in what goes on down there. I only hear and read what's available, which usually means I only see the crimes and ridiculous laws passed. Is Australia slipping into the 'isms ?
Better go search it out.
My views are my views and opinions based on sixty eight years of living on this planet and having spent some small amount of time traveling this and other countries. If you don't like them, don't read my posts.
What I find amazing is that the party which will be forming government only secured 30-31% of the primary vote.
Australia has just got to the steepest part of a slippery slope going into a sesspit joining NZ and Canada. You better sell your cattle, learn to grow dope and sing Kumbyah.
I'm looking for some tallyho papers and tuning my guitar as we speak.
Why do I have a feeling that the US is headed into the same Marxist hole?
Two sides of the exact same s***** coin.
They elected a very left leaning prime minister.
Sorry, it seems we're all in the same soup.
Here is a non-political explanation, from the Horses mouth: API | Gas Prices Explained
You know the API is an industry trade group don't you?
Folks, in order for this thread to remain open you all MUST refrain from political comments. This is a viable thread as current fuel prices are affecting us all but please keep the comments on the cause off the Board. We've had to clean things up here several times now and if it continues we'll be forced to close it permanently. I don't want to add to your frustration, so PLEASE do NOT post political comments. This policy has kept the peace here since we started and I'd like it to continue. Thanks
Local fuel supplier here told me couple days ago that the terminals are not allowing any overrides if someone exceeds their allocation. That's never happened before. Moral of the story is if he needs fuel for the station, and allocation is used up for that week, the station will sit with an empty tank until the following week.
The writing is on the wall of why and where high fuel prices are...
Must be an old map ? I haven't seen it under $6 for a month or so on the Maine/NH line.
Go to Gasbuddy.com , prices updated in real time by people on their phones. They have maps and lists of stations and a trip planner. What is interesting is how wide the spread has gotten. It did not used to be this much difference between Ca and the civilized world before prices went crazy.
California “over $5.71”... yeah like $1 over!!!
It's a gasoline one but I'm so pleased to be taking a big RV next week... And through the north east. Woop. When the prices started going up I estimated 5 bucks per gallon, or 1 buck a mile. We'll see how close we get to that, though I probably won't track it since it make me mad.
OH !! Gas ! Then it's right. $4.75. Diesel $6.19. I've been working on getting a 1999 RAV4 that's 2wd going. Gets almost 30 mpg. The poor thing inhaled a mouse nest made of the air filter !!! and I can't get the EGR code to quit coming up.....
No shortages or word of allocations in my OA. The Alaska market isn’t tied to any one particular pipeline or refinery like regions in the lower 48. It’s a more global perspective. It’s almost as easy to get a barge from Asia as from the PNW. The funny thing is I’m seeing higher prices on the road system, in some cases, as I am in the bush. That’s because the bush fuel was purchased & delivered before the ever escalating price increases.
With a global market for diesel and high demand from countries seeking to replace Russian fuel, the free market will look for the maximum profit which can be made. Even though some on this forum doubt electric vehicles there’s no disputing that the more electric vehicles there are, especially where they work best in cities, the more diesel would be available for agriculture and heavy transport. The amount of lithium mines in Australia going into high volume production in the next few years will also drop battery prices significantly and electric vehicles will be very cost competitive with petrol/diesel vehicles. We already have electric semi trailers under testing in Australia https://www.januselectric.com.au/ These trucks were already showing substantial savings compared to diesel before recent price hikes.
Our issue is not the availability of electric machines, are testing full electric trucks W Coast, AMAZON has full electric delivery vans and are Tesla Cars everywhere, HOWEVER our electrical system is in peril, plants are getting old, wind and solar are not cutting it as general Bulk delivery replacements, only new Nukes USA are in GA (2) with (2) in SC stopped newer fossil stations were built but the rants to get them closed are now working, and the newest wrinkle is Large Solar Arrays Reflect MASSIVE amounts of Heat BACK into the atmosphere causing warmer than expected regional temps around them. Nothing Humans EVER Do to "Fix" a problem have ever done more than exacerbate it or create worse.
Another type of fuel shortage looms over the US. Is there something going on here that we've missed. An updated list of USA-based destroyed Food Manufacturing Plants 1 ➖4/30/21 Monmouth Smithfield Foods pork processing plant 2 ➖7/25/21 Memphis Kellogg plant 3 ➖8/13/21 JBS beef plant 4 ➖8/24/21 Patak Meat Company 5 ➖7/30/21 Tyson River Valley ingredient plant 6 ➖10/21/21 Darigold plant 7 ➖11/15/21 Garrard County food plant 8➖11/29/21 Maid-Rite Steak Company 9➖12/13/21 San Antonio food processing, West side Foods 10➖1/7/22 Hamilton Mountain poultry processing Plant 11➖1/13/22 Cargill-Nutrene feed mill. Lacombe, La 12➖1/31/22 Winston-Salem fertilizer plant 13➖2/3/22 Wisconsin River Meats 14➖2/3/22 Percy dairy farm 15➖2/5/22 Wisconsin River Meats processing facility destroyed by fire in Mauston, Wisconsin. 16➖2/15/22 Bonanza Meat Company goes up in flames in El Paso, Texas 17➖2/15/22 Shearer's Foods Food processing plant explodes in Hermiston, Oregon. 18➖2/16/22 Indiana Louis-Dreyfus soy processing plant 19➖2/18/22 Bess View Farms 20➖2/19/22 Lincoln premiere poultry 21➖2/22/22 Shearer's Foods potato chip plant 22➖2/22/22 Fire destroys Deli Star Meat Plant in Fayetteville, Illinois. 23➖2/28/22 nutrient AG Solutions fertilizer facility burns 24➖2/28/22 Shadow Brook Farm & Dutch girl Creamery burns 25➖3/4/22 294,800 chickens destroyed at farm in Stoddard, Missouri 26➖3/4/22 644,000 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, Maryland 27➖3/8/22 243,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in New Castle, Delaware 28➖3/10/22 663,400 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, MD 29➖3/10/22 915,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Taylor, IA 30➖3/14/22 Wayne Hoover dairy farm, barn full of vows burns 31➖3/14/22 2,750,700 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Jefferson, Wisconsin 32➖3/16/22 Walmart Distribution Center burns for 76 hours in Plainfield Ind. 33➖3/16/22 Nestle Food Plant extensively damaged in fire and new production destroyed Jonesboro, Arkansas 34➖3/17/22 5,347,500 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Buena Vista, Iowa 35➖3/17/22 147,600 chickens destroyed at farm in Kent, Delaware 36➖3/18/22 315,400 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Cecil, Maryland 37➖3/19/22 Walmart Food Distribution center catches fire in Plainfield, Indiana 38➖3/22/22 172,000 Turkeys destroyed on farms in South Dakota 39➖3/22/22 570,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Butler, Nebraska 40➖3/24/22 Major Fire at McCrum Potato Plant in Belfast, Maine. 41➖3/24/22 418,500 chickens destroyed at farm in Butler, Nebraska 42➖3/25/22 250,300 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Franklin, Iowa 43➖3/26/22 311,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 44➖3/27/22 126,300 Turkeys destroyed in South Dakota 45➖3/28/22 1,460,000 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Guthrie, Iowa 46➖3/29/22 Maricopa, Az. Food Pantry burns down 50,000 pounds of Food destroyed in Maricopa, Arizona. 47➖3/31/22 Rio Fresh Onion factory damaged by fire in San Juan, Texas. 48➖3/31/22 76,400 Turkeys destroyed in Osceola, Iowa 49➖3/31/22 5,011,700 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Osceola, Iowa 50➖4/6/22 281,600 chickens destroyed at farm in Wayne, North Carolina 51➖4/9/22 76,400 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 52➖4/9/22 208,900 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 53➖4/12/22 89,700 chickens destroyed at farm in Wayne, North Carolina 54➖4/12/22 1,746,900 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Dixon, Nebraska 55➖4/12/22 259,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Minnesota 56➖4/13/22 Fire destroys East Conway Beef & Pork Meat Market in Conway, New Hampshire. 57➖4/13/22 Plane crashes into Gem State Processing, Idaho potato and food processing plant 58➖4/13/22 77,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 59➖4/14/22 Taylor Farms Food Processing plant burns down Salinas, California. 60➖4/14/22 Salinas food processing plant 61➖4/14/22 99,600 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 62➖4/15/22 1,380,500 chickens destroyed at egg farm in Lancaster, Minnesota 63➖ 4/19/22 Azure Standard nation’s premier independent distributor of organic and healthy food, was destroyed by fire in Dufur, Oregon 64➖4/19/22 339,000 Turkeys destroyed in Minnesota 65➖4/19/22 58,000 chickens destroyed at farm in Montrose, Colorado
So how many of these companies are connected? Are the loss adjusters looking into it?
Your posting on the wrong forum to open that can of worms and that information is widely under reported here not that you cant find it but you have to go looking for it On another note my fuel supplier said march and April both were record months in revenue and gallons pumped so in part I do believe we have a shortage of infrastructure capacity the local tank farm supplies by pipeline is pretty well maxed out in pipeline capacity to the point there talking more about shipping fuel by rail to meet demand Also the tank farm moth balled a new terminal build out it would have increased there truck loading and storage capacity by close to 20 percent but the investors backed off due to current energy policy making the ROI of such an investment a pretty big risk
First be careful where you source your facts from. Large solar PV arrays don't cause warmer temps around them unless you're comparing them to a forest. Simple physics will explain this. In fact testing on Australian farmland with sheep grazing below and around the panels has shown to be beneficial to the sheep who take advantage of the shade in hot weather and find plenty of grass to feed upon. The farmers get paid for the use of their land every year as well as the wool or meat from the sheep. That's a bonus in Australia where seasons are variable. When I was young the State Electricity companies were at the final stages of electrifying rural areas which had previously relied on 32v generators & lead acid batteries or kerosene fridges and pressure lamps. The amount of demand back then was just for a few incandescent lamps, radio and fridge. If you were really well off a washing machine was an available luxury. Now our electricity consumption is massive in first world countries and developing countries want the same. To turn around our electricity production from fossil fuels to renewable sources is a massive undertaking . But power companies have done the math and know that it's not cost effective to build fossil fuel generators or even in some cases maintain them well, as the cost of renewables will keep going down as they increase in scale and technology improves. One point that seems to be lost in the discussion about the change from fossil fuels to electricity is that local renewables increase the economic independence of any country that imports fossil fuels. When you fill up your tank with diesel in most countries you are sending billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and other middle east countries as well as Russia. This increases the leverage these countries have over ours, holding us to ransom with real or manufactured shortages. Don't forget OPEC is a cartel, a type of organisation that is illegal in most countries. In Australia we have led the world in home rooftop solar. We are one of the cheapest places in the world to have rooftop solar, less than half the cost per installed watt than sunny Texas. Initially there was a lot of Govt subsidy to get this happening but that has faded. However the scale and competition in the sector has led to steadily decreasing costs and the next step is lower battery storage costs which will enable many home owners to run virtually off grid and avoid the massive increases in power costs much of Australia is experiencing due to high coal and gas prices on the world market. In fact the cheapest electricity in Australia is in the Australian Capital Territory where our National Capital City is located. See https://www.environment.act.gov.au/energy/cleaner-energy It has now achieved a 100% renewable electricity target and is phasing out the use of gas.
I'm not sure how energy "independence" is gained by installing solar panels built in china vs. oil pumped by the saudi's, either way someone has your number. But dream away. That and going 100% on solar and wind is a pipe dream. If the wind doesn't blow and its cloudy, you're in a world of hurt. I have a big hydro dam a mile from my house. But to tell the rest of the world they need to go hydro because its cheap and renewable, doesn't make a lot of sense if they don't have a river with a couple bluffs to throw a dam between. Not much hydro made in the outback I imagine. Wind isn't great because the cost and short lifespan makes for pretty expensive power. Looks nice with the subsidies. But they sure don't last very long. I love the idea of nuclear, I just have problems with humans as a species being responsible for dangerous waste for 3,000 years. That's pretty long term thinking, that I don't trust companies and governments to follow through for. I think that we are going to see a continual shift to renewable, but if you have a aluminum smelter going, there's got to be a constant reliable power generation grid to run a industrial society.
The fun thing about nuclear is you could use the waste for more power generation or other purposes but we had a certain politician who outlawed that and literally made it so that you have to store the waste instead of recycling it, as France does.
You can choose to buy from China if you like but we have a manufacturer here in Australia, you have a number of manufacturers of solar PV in the USA so you can choose to keep the money in your own country if you like and not send it to Asia. Also 90% of solar PV cells made globally use using Australian invented and developed technology from the University of NSW here in Sydney where continuous improvements in solar PV technology continue. I think you are being misled by believing solar and wind combined with storage, (battery, hydro & hydrogen), is a pipe dream. The large private and mainly foreign owned electricity companies in Australia and elsewhere are focusing electricity production on renewables. These are major companies with shareholders to satisfy. In Texas it's happening even more than California and to quote Texas specifically: "Texas also surpassed other states in the amount of storage it has under construction or in advanced development, reaching nearly 20,000 megawatts, followed by California at nearly 14,000 megawatts. Texas is experiencing a rise in renewable energy deployment not necessarily due to concerns over human-caused climate change, but rather because of the low costs of renewable energy sources like solar and wind development." What is often not understood is that when power is becoming cheaper to produce then there's a lot of money to be made in storing it. Large scale battery tech and even distributed battery tech will be extremely profitable along with hydrogen which can also be used directly in industrial processes like steel manufacturing. One of our large steel companies in Australia is setting up facilities for just this process as well as energy production one hour north from here. Currently they have budgeted a billion dollars for that project. By the way the largest aluminium smelter in Australia plans to be running on 100% renewable power by 2029.
Our government wants to use a broad brush and expect all renewables to be available everywhere. Renewables have a distinct local bias. Just like CO's comment about the hydropower, there are locations which favor PV solar, and locations that favor wind. Lets see how the PV solar numbers work in Atlanta, GA, with 60+ inches of rain and lots of bird poop, or Minneapolis with short day length, and compare the numbers to Midland, TX with lots more day length and no rain. We have a local fight about a proposed wind farm. The only people who favor the wind farm are those with site contracts (including 2 of the 3 county commissioners). Some of the contract information has leaked, and the contracts contain anti-disparagement clauses. Those who signed the contracts are forbidden to voice any reservations, and those contracts are the most lopsided documents that can be imagined.
We have PV SALES companies US, not manufacture, not to any level of Commercially viable for Base Load power as will be needed for a round of nothing but EVs. PV Cells do not heat the Ground, the Reflected Sunlight is Heat for lower Atmosphere regions, it is becoming a real problem in those areas with Acres and Acres of cells. Are presenting this Reflected heat as PVHI, or Photovoltaic Heat Island Effect, is very similar to what occurs around mass areas of asphalt and concrete. Wind turbines in KS/NB/IA &TX are known to alter wind currents where they also are affected by general Ground Heating created Turbulence effect on the air feeding them, many sites have to secure during high daytime heat as become too erratic on delivery. And again Megawatt delivery has a Second Aspect, Capacity Factor, Nukes run close to 97% full power time Duty Cycle or delivered capacity, Coal is around 87% with CNG systems at around 65%, Wind and Solar barely make 25-35%. If CANNOT get that up toward the 90% factor then are buying a Pig in a Poke.
Texas might not be a good example to use. I lived in Texas for 44 years. Helped build almost all of the lignite-fired generator plants. Of course, many of those plants eventually switched to Wyoming coal. We never had any lack of electrical power. now, most of the coal-fired plants are being scrapped and replaced with windmills, solar panels, and in some cases, gas-fired plants. All of a sudden, what to we have, you guessed it, brown outs, power failures in the winter, and warnings to conserve electricity when it get over 90 degrees. Windmills and panels do not work on calm cays, and cloudy days, AND days when ice and snow cover the windmills and solar panels. We got out of Texas while the getting was good. Oh, even after last winter, and early warnings about lack of power for this summer, they are still demolishing coal-fired plants in Texas. Pure stupidity. Jeff
CO, Bagnall Dam got a Renewal on Life Span License as is closing in on 100 years in service, AMEREN's KEOKUK IA plant has done similarly where upgrades and inspections keep them alive, FOR NOW. Bagnall's License Document renews now at Ten Year intervals so when it is Dumped on will be a SEVERELY Bad Day for Lake Ozark shore line owners.
Table rock turned its turbines around 1960. None of the generators have ever been out of the hole. Its a great grid buffer, easy to ramp up and down for stabilization. I'm going to bet it will get new turbines when it needs them, but its going to cost big $$$. There's some california lake homes that are no longer going to be lake homes when they pull those dams out. I don't see that happening in lake of the ozarks, because I tend to think we're not as crazy as california people, but who knows. You have exactly one manufacturer of solar panels in australia, and from what I read they don't make very many. Its almost exclusively chinese panels. We all carry around phones designed in california here, but churned out of a chinese factory, but I'm not foolish enough to think that's the same as them being made here. I tend to think you would be more "energy independent" burning your own australian coal to run your own factories, than shipping your coal to china and having them burn it, to make solar panels for you. Either way the coal gets burned. Whatever makes you feel good.
Apart from anything else there's more carbon produced making lithium batteries than vehicle of the same size produces burning fossil fuel so all this green stuff is 100% ********. With out a doubt Australia should be using nuclear power as it has some of the largest deposits of uranium in the world on one of the most geographical stable islands for base load. Last month Brisbane averaged 3 hours of sunshine a day and boy are the city slickers squealing about their power bills. Some of the smarter ones crunched the numbers including the installation costs of solar panels and they don't stack up financially.
I, like everyone else sees a lot of reasons why things probably won't happen as envisioned. Seems many of you are saying change isn't possible because? But them again there were lots of reasons for why we couldn't possibly go to the moon in 1962. Seven years later we made it there. Dick Tracy in the comics had a wrist phone in the sixties, now we have hand held mini computers that do far more than just being a phone. We now have the beginnings of a renewable power industry. I'm not about to predict the future of that industry.
I work on a lot of individual home complete island power systems. Very expensive to start, maintenance can be $$$$ but if you build it right ($$$$$) then you have to do little to nothing for it over a long time. Makes one feel mighty smug when the grid is having problems. Still I like my commercial power, for now. But it is nice at least knowing how to pull the plug, if it came to that.
3 months ago I was talking to a friend at the power company during the day they were throttled way back on most plants because of solar and primarily southern California on really sunny days makes to much solar power so they pay az to take it and at night there buying power back from AZ on cloudy or rainy days that's probably not an issue of having to much power I have had countless people try to sell me solar it never penciled it takes twenty years to pay off with the subsidies now if are power bill goes up 100 percent in 20 years I can pay it off in 15 but without a reasonable storage possibility your still paying 65 bucks for base service being hooked in to the grid the law says you have to be hooked in so why invest in solar there is no payoff unless you live in that house 25 years Every pannel I looked at will be at 70 percent production or less at 20 years so once you pay for it it needs up graded to be cost effective the power companies keep making loopholes to not pay squat for the extra power created by solar and I bet its 10 years before grid storage is close to a thing Since SRP shut down Navajo generating station power has gotten way more expensive here in 2 years like 15 percent that was a coal plant and one of the largest power plants in AZ next to the nuke. The single biggest customer for power from that plant was the CAP canal that carried colorado river water across the state needless to say the price of water has risen dramatically My house is one of 2 houses on my street of about 30 houses that does not have solar on it this area and the entire phx market has an insane amount of residential solar that is not provided by the utilities but extra solar is bought for about an average of 6 cents a kilo watt in my neighborhood and then sold back at 11 cents or at 25 cents for peak hours Until an entire house can collect store run the whole house load and charge there Tesla off of there stored power and make that ROI back in 10 to 12 years with a life span of 15 years minimum then it will never work and subsidies are not making it work better
Solar is not a viable option in the southeast, we just get too much rain and cloudy days. Wind is a no-go as well. However we are blessed with hydroelectric ability. APCO has 7 hydro dams located on the Coosa river alone which is where most of my electricity comes from. APCO has 14 hydros, 3 coal fired, 6 nat gas, 1 nuke and finally 2 solar fields. The solar portion is just PR. No matter how hard you pound on a square peg it will not fit in a round hole. There are smart renewable power options but one size solar doesn't fit everywhere.
I think it is hard to say the price of renewable energy will continue to go down as new technology is developed. The fact that it isn't developed yet tells me that the cost of that new technology is unknown, so saying the price will decrease is a hope, not a promise. Also, the fact that China controls most of the rare earth mineral access in the world is a major issue in new technology development, even in the creation of the technology we already possess. I think renewable energy should be a part of the process of developing energy sources, but it will not be all of it and I don't think it ever will, unless something completely evolutionary is created. Nuclear I think should be a major contributor, but seems to get little attention, except in shutting the reactors down.
You don't have to predict the future to see what is happening now. And if you can't see what is happening now, then how are you going to predict the future? So right now, the price of electricity is rising to make renewables competitive. That is being dictated, more so than market forces. The other thing that is happening is grid reliability is going down to match renewables inconsistency and justify grid improvements needed only to use more renewables, but will be paid for by all grid users and other producers. It wasn't long ago that electric producers were required to meet reliability requirements to be tied to the grid, that has been reduced/eliminated? in order to subsidize renewables. Then when base load power is made to function as peaking power, but paid lowest commodity prices, there's no reason to maintain the reliability they're not being paid for, and you end up with Texas style blackouts. Now, solar is amazing power, for $200 I can buy a panel that, as long as the sun is shining, will produce more power than I can maintain for maybe ten minutes. $1,000 will produce power equal to a work horse. So solar is real power and a solar powered society is completely possible, but we're not going to get there by substituting solar for coal power, (OR EV's for gas) and a coal powered grid fueling a society efficient enough to use solar, could well be more efficient than the solar powered one.
Nuke is the most expensive power there is, it also makes diesel exhaust seem very clean when something goes wrong and thousands end up with cancers. Krypton 85 is more of a so called green house gas than is Co2.
Not really true Worked nuke 21 years, main released gas off the system was Nitrogen, krypton was a minute amount of a years worth of the gas that we purged and allowed to decay away for months prior to release. Gas system reduced radiologic gases to a minimum and any H2 recovered was run thru a recombiner to make water discharged thru the system as that had tritium to decay off. Cost at the nuke per Kwh was less than $.05 Mainly due to using the fuel for 18 mos then reloading a third new and running additional 18 then on next reload the last of the first load was exchanged so got 3 18 mo cycles on 92-94 assemblies out of 196. They are 11” square and 14 ft long with only 4-6% of that entire assembly enriched uranium. Was a fully constructed ready to implement recycling facility at Savannah River until 1998, built in 1972, sat unused until dismantled due to regs placed by the Fed that banned it being used. Is around 40% reusable fuel in a 3 cycle ‘burned’ nuke assembly, just can’t due to regs, the French do that regularly. Dirt burners unless pass the half century mark and do not convert to CNG are at around $.07-.08 kwh on Gas are above $.15, Combustion Turbines are close to $.24 kwh even wind and solar are over $.06 due to capacity factor limits Most odd power sources not base load are peaking value only or used supplementally. Only really cheap electricity is Hydro but the Greenies do not like the impoundments. Bagnall dam here even with upgrades and massive improvements where is over 90 now makes electricity at less tha $.005 kwh, just not sustainable due to water loss over time. All hydros have to await a flow change or impounded water level recovery. Bagnall’s capacity factor is just 65%, Callaway Nuclear was 97% the largest dirt burner here was at 77% at Labadie.
Not of solar cells we don't. I think there is an assembler of imported components, but no actual manufacturer that starts with raw sand. The Sydney plant that did make them shut down decades ago as it was too expensive to make them here. As for the ACT being 100% renewable. It really isn't. It has a big extension cord into NSW. We are seeing the folly of the renewable revolution right now. It is not cheaper once you factor in storage. You more then double the price then. Right now fossil fuels are powering Australia, with a bit of wind. https://anero.id/energy
All sources of power are important and all will be needed no matter the problems. Even the dragons in Texas are happy that wind and solar are available right now. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-wind-climate/index.html
When you factor in the huge costs to build and maintain the plants its much higher than you think. The whole industry is likely highly subsidized, similar to airlines paying for fuel, they aren't paying pump price, though we are lead to believe they are. Hydro generation is the ultimate cheapest power but we pay way more than we should for it. And again similar to airline fuel we pay high for fuel so they get it dirt cheap. We pay high for hydro power so nuke looks cheap.
I don't have facts on the costs of either but have been in both types. I can say that the size of a nuke plant is little different than the size of a coal plant. I know there is some extra shielding and a containment building but a coal plant has huge stock piles, a stocker / feeder with miles and miles of conveyor belts, a railroad or two and millions of dollars in heavy equipment just to feed the plant. Water usage is about the same but the effluent coming off the coal plant not a lot less hazardous than the spend rods from a nuke. It's not just the smoke in the air. It's the ash dumped on the ground and left in giant piles or settled out in huge ponds. It's the reclaim of mining areas back to pre-mining contours and vegetation. I think that neither type of power plant will ever receive government subsidies or incentives for production in the near future. I also think that nuke plants will be run far beyond their design life because coal plants are currently not being built. Businesses are just moving on from that type of fuel.
Thought this was funny. Called a local station that sells off road fuel… price 5.86 Call another station for off road fuel… price 5.89 Drive in town and buy 25 gallons of on road fuel for 5.49 *** so much for saving 70 cents or so of Ohio taxes.
They do that just because they can. Typical of any sort of retail outlet, they add on all they can get away with.
Kwh price from a source plant is based on the cost to build and maintain, gets figured to a thirty year loan completion then they refinance against value of plant to run next thirty often decreasing the cost per kwh. Power stations work to net zero cost/payback on the loans against operations, they do not ever make a profit just ‘sell’ the power generated to the parent company at end costs. Nuke generally has 500-700 employees, dirt burners tend to have less permanent staff but function with multi facility roving repair crews so in essence have close to same MW to MW output for employed personnel. Previous employer had four dirt burners tied at the hip this way. Coal plants burn unimaginable volumes of fuel, Labadie is 2400mw output(Max) and burn roughly 180 car loads of PRB coal in 18-20 hours where on hard coals was less than 140 same time frame. That is 80 long ton coal per car, some have pushed that to 100lt. Callaway used 92-96 $750,000.00 EACH new assemblies over 17 months with refueling occurring during the 18th. That price is rising but so is coal. Plant for plant and sub assembly support equipment nuke and dirt burner similar. Containment ‘Can’ and support buildings for radiologic systems is about same as coal handling expenses. Callaway 2 at 1160mwe the completed unit as 1 was initiated but never built absorbed the costs of the mechanical systems for the second to be built unit at $2.1billion 1980 dollars, Rush Island Coal station completed in 1982 two units at 1200mwe, the final two units there never built and not purchased so did not require the absorption process was built at $980 million so essentially same price unit for singular units. Nuke required extensive lead time initiated purchases to construct as fewer suppliers, coal burner was out a year on lead time as been explained by engineers where could almost be bought on as constructed basis. Union Electric already had the Reactor vessel, the steam generators and all hard mechanical machinery for the second nuke much was scrapped in the late 90s as costs had already been absorbed. Kwh prices are related to those and the built in decommissioning expenses paid as plant operates. Callaway currently has $3bil banked to decom the site. Oddity of nukes spent fuel, the plants do NOT own the fuel assemblies, are leased from DOE, they or rather WE own those spent assemblies as are removed from use. BTW, never heard on ANY subsidies or subsidized expenses at the nuke, company bought, paid for and paid for installs of everthing.
Ugly part of Nuke work was the INCESSANT regulatory morons up everyone's bidness trying for promotional advantage 'discoveries', Callaway 2 was in Construct phase during the Carter Reagan Years with Severely high interest rates and then TMI went off. Around a third of the facility was in construction where knee jerk 'Updates' 'Uprates', Increased Safety protocols were to be installed, 99% of which are NO LONGER INSTALLED or utilized. Biggest expense at the Nuke was Knee Jerk decisions on part of Regulatory that does nothing but add expense, has little value when look at broader perspective. Callaway sits atop a high spot, some 250 feet ABOVE the Missouri River on a Plateau, we were required by Fukushima responses to implement Flooding Concern Remediations. For Chernobyl the response was EMERGENCY Fuel Cooling similarly to TMI issues where NRC could not validate any of the scenarios from either occurring at Callaway so those did NOT happen a second time. Ameren UE pays the NRC Reps in plant not the Fed, also paid any and all off site inspectors from other stations thru INPO(Independent Nuclear Power producers Organization) while at the site. Was always some form of Politically motivated Junkit occurring in the facilities around the US.
A 'New' Fuel Assembly Spent Fuel Dry cask on Transporter moving to storage cell, Filled cells on right with ventilation caps. Steam Generator when those arrived, THREE Year Lead time. One of Four. 743,000 lbs from France as do not make these here anymore. AMEREN Spent a great deal on Callaway while I was there, all those expenses were included in the $.05/kwh price
When nukes were first being built, the comment too cheap to meter was thrown down, not really true but expense to generate power was not that high. BTW PRB Coal is currently $30+/ton not including transport fees. so around $500,000 +/- per DAY(24 hrs) running for 2400mwe just for fuel at dirt burner. If mix Hard Coals for better burn they run in the $60-80/t rate and changes that up drastically. for a dirt burner that equates to over 200mil in fuel at 17 months, the nuke fuel at 71mil, will be some higher today but still under 100mil but paid all at one time. Dirt burners can no longer release ash to public except cinders(bottom Ash) anymore than a nuke can ship old fuel offsite. Dear Lord help us if HAVE to go full CNG supplied power as the CTG units can use near as much per minute as a common natural gas supplied home uses in a YEAR. Converted Dirt Burners use three times that.
Always loved the Water Distortion Views on the Spent Fuel Pool. The Top of the assembly which is 14' long never gets above 14' below the top of the pool water when out of the storage cells. Getting those lovely hanging bustards into the outr cell boxes with water flow currents was a BUGGER!! The Transfer Slot is 32' top of wall to bottom of slot. The four little eyelets across the wall are a gate to hang across the opening to dewater the Cask Loading Pit in Left Photo, the filters in that hanging basket we had to lift for Emission Evaluation, NEVER LEFT Water Coverage and did not receive a dose level of any value doing that but they were determined by a underwater detector to be well over 3x 10 to the 3rd as to millirem from the contaminants within them. They stay IN THE POOL until can load into shipping casks in the water to ship offsite for burial.
It reminds me of the old movie in the early 50's "The Day The Earth Stood Still", and Gort the robot that had power that could not be revoked. Thinking about Chernobyl, Fukushima etc. If this gets out of the bottle it is out of mans control, that is what makes it so dangerous, and that pollution is orders of magnitude higher than the use of earth generated mineral oils and fuels. The materials used to build and contain this stuff is instantly turned to worthless junk as well. How many billions of gallons of water are stored at Fukushima right now? All the waste from these plants is still at the plant. Water that is cooling the waste is constantly venting the nasty stuff, as well as the reactor it self, which has increased our back ground radiation how much higher than say in 1930? And we wonder why cancer took off like a jet plane starting in the 1950's?
A nice heated pool for swimming in winter.
Misconceptions abound, we were NOT allowed much dose at all at the nuke and sensors everywhere were looking for it, nothing gaseous vented off the spent fuel and any radiologic waste was sequestered in cubicles then vented thru activated carbon scrubbers with their own monitoring systems. The reactor in a PWR does not vent as is under pressure. 600psi matter of fact. As the gas levels accumulated they would be forced back into solution and released in the let down make up system. Water cannot but stay liquid even at 565 degrees except the nucleate boiling at surface of fuel tubes. I had to fully understand the mechanism prior to being a operator in plant. I was allowed 1/10 the radiation levels most doctors receive in a hospital and far less than that of a airline pilot at altitude. Are so many Misconceived notions of how these machines work and what emissions they produce as to make head swim. I received MORE radiation Dose when hauled rock from a quarry or worked the pit and as received barium for internal organ inspections than I ever received in Plant. I got to enter some of the nastiest regions of the facility both on or off line and was tech on fuel receipt for ten cycles. Everything you stated are incorrect. The FSAR Final Safety Analysis Report is available online for every active US Nuclear power station. The worst radiologic incident where Callaway Techs had to estimate actual received dosage was at a Coal Burner where a Source metering system that measured flow density off a coal bunker was failed to be stowed in its receptacle. The welders that accessed the bunker received a massive instantaneous dose yet survived, never happened at the nuke. One Super got gassed during the vacuum fill of reactor coolant system after a refuel, set off detectors in several buildings and was taken Home to gas decay off, had to poop on paper plates and bring back to plant, nothing showed in his waste stream. He is retired and teaching at Fulton MO University over 75 years old. As to Waste, will see a Tank mounted to a Low bed Trailer on the Highway on Occasion, that will be radiologic waste from a nuke source or site. Clothing work materials as Maslin or rolls of sheet plastic are taken for incineration often to condense the volume for burial, radioactive activated metals are taken to a metal melt facility and processed into containers to transport radioactive materials tools or components, the radiation levels of these are hard to discern from background to which there is a ABUNDANCE of. Crushed Stone, freshly excavated clays, coal, some petroleum products, Boric Acid, and several other COMMON items at home have radiation levels far in exceedance of those levels inside a Nuke Plant. Spent fuel remains at all sites except TMI 1, all that mess was removed, bottled up and sent to NM for study on what went RIGHT in that event. Was on First fuel load when accident occurred ad was a H2 flash burn explosion in the can NOT a Radiologic release event that had to be vented off again THRU SCRUBBERS. No person outside of the plant grounds received any more dose than a normal day at TMI. Now Fukushima was different, H2 venting into Reactor Buildings(NOT Containment buildings) on Boiling Water Reactors accumulated inside, only took a slight static spark to set those off. The mess was due to that style(Mid 70s) BWR plant design and the fact the Japs had determined to place standby emergency generation BELOW Grade in the facilities and Fuel for them in Above Grade tanks that were swept away. Best radiation Shielding is H2O and so may not be able to detect it once they do release said liquids that have been filtered to extremes.
Very interesting inside information on how a nuke plant works DM. Thank you for taking the time to write it up.
Incineration? Melting metals? That is a huge amount of smoke and gases to have to collect so none of that radiation escapes, into the atmosphere. All plants around the world are constantly venting the stuff. There is not enough vessels to contain it all. So is this not true now? It sounds like this is the most dangerous part of the industry.
until you work in one you will continue to exaggerate and over imagine issues, not worth my time to illustrate you are still misconceiving and exaggerating. Over 21 years spent literally weeks in a fuel pool storage building entered the reactor building at power worked the Radwaste systems building. Always monitoring and monitored for radiation levels always aware not to let the potential Genie out. When cite the idiots you have look really bad.
you know people dive in those pools right? https://what-if.xkcd.com/29/
It seems to be one of them " love em or hate em" issues. While there may be misconceptions, there seems little doubt that the repercussions from Fukushima and Chernobyl were serious and remain so. The long term storage of spent fuel and waste appears to be an unresolved problem, possibly the ultimate in " not in my back yard". Wind and solar power have issues that need improvement, but don't seem to carry the long term risks of nuclear power. Unless they alter the planets atmosphere or rotation, in which case we really will be in the ...
Assisted the divers teams during my time at the Nuke, also assisted engineers as we 'Surveyed' or Audited the assemblies in the pool, never had a diver become sick nor high radiation level presented as were given strict work basis regions and NO Deviation allowances and divers STOOD ON TOP of the storage racks within feet of the assemblies. Worked with the crews that transferred the oldest assemblies into dry cask storage, another misconception on the part of Media, as usual. The casks are Stainless Steel, 1" thick with a internal cell arrangement to situate the assemblies, the steel is a Borated Alloy to preclude any chance of stray neutron fission events. Can is Loaded UNDER WATER, the lid then set on top of it(Lid and base plates are 2" thick Borated SS) the water filled can is transferred to a washdown pit and surveyed for carried contaminants, Our pool is kept clean enough they have not found ANY. The upper lid is then welded in place robotic welder and a dewatering system forces all the liquids out while Helium is placed in the vessel. After some twenty eight years in the pool the earliest assemblies are still making heat of radioactive decay, not enough for reactivity but enough to complete the evaporation of the water in the cans. Dependent of the known radiation level of Each assembly can be from 28-33 assemblies per cask, some have support mechanism tooling or other machinery also placed in the casks. The access ports are sealed then welded shut, then the First Can loaded into a SECOND SS can and the assembly capped with a solid lid then moved to the transporter bottle. The tank on the transporter remains On the transporter, that is lowered to the top of the storage cell(IN GROUND), the internal cask lifted and a bottom plate opened then the cask lowered into the hole. We were issued EXTRA radiation monitors/dosimetry for inspecting the storage yard, where did have/still have a list of items to inspect on the vent lids for the residual heat, came to find did not need those, LESS Than 2 millirem at contact on those lids, NON Detectable outside 1 meter above background. The Above Grade storage cells are similar, are Concrete outside on some, others are SS with a concrete liner and the sealed SAME Bottles emplaced inside them. Each assembly can vary dependent if has Burnable Poison insert or replaced control rods insert or thimbles from 1200# to 1545# Our system was produced and is operated by HOLTEC Intl... Dry Cask Storage and Transportation - Holtec International Metal Melt is Controlled, the effect of melting steels is such the materials self decontaminate/encapsulate to a reduction level safe to handle bare handed. ALL Metals in fact ANY metal has radioactive properties as a raw ore to finished product. The Human Body has radioactive isotopes within from nearly every mineral vitamin source and a Whole Body Count will reveal what one has ingested due to release level radiation signatures. Bananas are the most severe with a potassium isotope that will show a spike in a WBC that technicians get a laugh off as spot it, can last up to FOUR DAYS until you absorb and process the mineral. Radon is present ANY TIME earth is disturbed, Farming, Grading or excavation, Mining. Concrete in of itself is a severe Alpha emission radiation release that never goes away. Without some level of Radioactive materials or Radiation we would not be alive. Radiation in Everyday Life | IAEA Natural Radioactivity in Building Materials | US EPA Natural Radioactivity in Food | US EPA
This was the base design for Callaway, its twin is Wolf Creek in Burlington KS, only two US Built this type. All four Loop US Nukes are similar. BWRs are in a variety of types, Fukushima was a really early GE Design, Allis Chalmers actually built a BWR but fuel was not ever installed and it was dismantled several years ago. Nuclear Reactor Cutaway Schematic -- Snupps (Standardized … | Flickr Inside the "Can" while Steam Generators were replaced. That crane and the EIGHT Steam generators all went thru a Side Hatch on the structure.
The Poopie Suits we wore are NOT for Radiation protection but for physical contaminate protection so do not carry the particles outdoors. Practiced Donning and doffing protective clothing annually as well when had to access areas of known contaminates. Oddest things ever to happen as a Fire Brigade Member was accessing the Can during a refuel in Street Clothes to remove workers that had injured themselves, was in areas had never accessed without protective gear, came out Clean anyway. Had portal monitors at the entry gate, had to pass those before exit gate would unlock, had several instances of Medically Treated Office Staff (Barium is one nasty) that would stop all access/exits until they had been escorted to work station, and again if had ingested the materials for upper or lower GIs would have to poop in bags for removal from plant. These workers would set off portal monitors at thirty to forty feet OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
No matter what huge amounts of metals are scrapped never to be available again. Well maybe in a few million years or so. I bet a huge 1 inch thick stainless steel container is a bit pricey. What is the stainless? 321 ? It would have to be a 300 series stainless that will not corrode, ultra expensive inconel would work too. None of this work and expense is needed for hydro power. Every one of these plants has to be near a river or some sort of natural water source for cooling. So when the Fukushima happens again, either here or some other country it all ends up in the ocean or a river that sooner or later hits the ocean.
Only purpose for These metals is containers for other radiologic materials, recycled for as long as practical then at final use burial. 303 austenitic ss Casks are designed such that as develop a repository or Recycling facility can be transported safely. Heat was determined as decreasing at a faster rate than expectation, radiation levels beneath the vented covers as well. BTW been running metal melt program since 1987. Waste from wind turbines is far from recyclable except towers and generation equipment. Blades still end up in Landfills as do the nacelles. Capacity factor is the killer for renewables, should they ever get it to a viable level then will accept this junk science. The wind industry had been lucky with smaller low mw rated generators, have now moved to larger double digit capacities and the next shoe drops, Generator cooling systems, add major amounts of devices coolants and piping to these.
The real issue is that fossil fuel use is going to be restricted as time goes on. Doesn't matter the cause of climate change and it doesn't matter your perception of what you consider the future. Right now there is enough weather happening that is out of normal patterns to sway the electorate to force changes. Nuclear is going to be a major factor for power in the future. The same issue is coming up for hydro power and fish. The question will come down to heating your house, lighting up the night and powering your computers for the internet or fish. Fish are eventually going to lose when push comes to shove.
They don't have to be located near a river or ocean for cooling. Tower cooling works as well. I don't know how much water that uses but not a huge river anyway. Here in California, suddenly they don't want to shut down the last nuke anymore after shortfalls have been announced.
Cooling Tower evap rate at Callaway was 16-19,000 gpm summer and around 10-13,000 gpm in winter, both temp dependent, five mile long piping from MO river to site to keep filled.1mil gal/ft inside the tower basin.
Mornin BV, as to Diablo Canyon the end result will be determined by PG&E. Been thoroughly flogged by CA state people where I do not see them being particularly sympathetic here.
Oh there will still be fish-just not game fish like steelhead and salmon. All the anglers and sport fishing shows will turn to Carp, Squaw fish and Sucker derby's. Those fish can survive no matter what and people will figure ways to cook and eat'em with out spitting too many bones. It will start a whole new industry of special high powered Carp boats and special Carp fishing gear. Angling for the 150 lb Carp.
Yes, but they are nothing but a lap dog also. They are absolutely under the state's thumb and if the state wants they will nationalize them. The trouble with Diablo Canyon is they are already several years down the road to wrapping the whole thing up. They will have to pull a lot of rabbits out of hats to keep it operational much longer. Of course all it takes is one rainy winter to fill all reservoirs and everyone will forget about power shortages and then it will be closed up for sure. And then the next drought will hit.
These were the first deliveries from Holtec, unloading agents had some fun.
I really did enjoy the work I performed at the Nuke, just got too broken and aged to continue.
The was one of Three Condenser sections we replaced years ago under the turbine in the turbine building. Blue ends are Water Boxed from/to Cooling tower, the three sections worked in series as a Hi Pres Condenser, Intermediate Pres Condenser and a Low Pres Condenser, all reflecting the level of vacuum in the associate wet well compartment these units sat in. This was Center Section Intermediate Condenser. Reason for change was Cupro Nickel allow(Fallback to Dirt Burner mentality) of tubing, essentially a mountain of Pennies that as corroded became a plate out in all too many other heat exchangers we had on the Raw Water Side. Upper section bundles condensed the majority of steam from the turbines, the other two lower bundles would further sub cool the condensed water in a vacuum, maintained at around 12" Hg.
The early years at Hanford waste was dumped in common steel 55 gallon drums then deposited in the tunnels on the Hanford reservation. Not unusual to see a 5' jack rabbit or 20' rattle snake.
Rad tech I worked with went to the contractor at Hanford after retired Callaway, train cars full of clothing, tools, some lower level and some nasty level contaminated materials as pipes, fittings, pumps,in those tunnels, engines also went in and sealed behind them. Tunnels are in various states of degradation Considerations as to filling them with flowable fill concrete has been discussed. Hanford is filthy, was nothing considered as few could rationalize how much damage small particle contamination could cause. Thoughts and prayers for your Father’s eternal rest being done with that mess TS.
I'm just so happy there is no such thing as fossil fuel, that is a catch word used by some.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fossil-fuel-rockefeller-idUSL1N2QQ1UK https://www.gsi.ie/en-ie/education/earth-resources/Pages/Fossil-fuels.aspx
America needs America's oil
America needs a lot of things, and most of it isn't going to happen.
Yep
Bahahaha
Real science denial, because it doesn't fit the agenda at hand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
Did you read the article that you cite? If you did, then what is your point?
You will own nothing, and be happy - Klaus Schwab
i will have to do some reading, don't know Klaus Schwab. Does Les Schwab Tires count. Les Schwab had a lot of philosophies tooo.
Chairman World Economic Forum.
Les Schwab--dead owner of Les Schwab Tires. He has a book too.
Yes the very first part to explain what it is, and how other planets with no bio have hydrocarbons. Of course the rest of the article will be in support of the agenda. Its Wikipedia. And only supports "Main stream" well financed "fossil fuel science". We are now living with nice over priced fossil fuel science. Only reason for bringing it up.
I have just fitted two brand new batteries into one of my 155's , cheap now compared to a tank of diesel for it .
The World Economic Forum is basically an unelected body that has influence in government. The interest is up and the stock market's down and you only get mugged if you go down town.
Actually,---I have little interest in things like World Economic Forum. Those people care less about the little guy, and the little guy is going to have zero effect on them. If you act crazier than the crazy/ criminals down town they will have nothing to do with you either.
The World Can’t Get Enough Of US Diesel As Exports Surge Bloomberg By Chunzi Xu (Bloomberg) –The US is exporting diesel at the fastest ever rate as the global market’s thirst for fuel remains insatiable. As much as 1.39 million barrels a day of diesel has left the US Gulf Coast so far this month, around 10% higher than the previous daily record for month set in July, 2017, according to oil analytics firm Vortexa, which began trading the data in 2016. Adding gasoline, fuel exports out of the Gulf Coast topped 2 million barrels a day in the first half of July, also a record. Strong exports highlight just how much the world is still relying on the US for the fuel that powers the global economies, farming and industries. Gasoline is the top transportation fuel in the US but not the rest of the world and the effort to secure diesel is intensifying as demand continues to outstrip supply. The bulk of US diesel exports are headed to Mexico, Brazil, Chile and Argentina. Fuel crises have been unfolding in parts of Latin America, leading to violent protests and political upheaval. These countries have pulled a greater amount of diesel from the US Gulf Coast in recent months. In addition to Latin America, the arbitrage for transatlantic diesel exports has also improved with a stronger European market and a drop in freight rates, spurring more shipments from the US Gulf Coast to Europe. Read Also: Could The U.S. Ship More LNG To Europe? Global diesel strength is showing up in prices at the pump for US drivers. The average retail diesel price has fallen 3.6% in the past month, compared with a 8.7% drop for gasoline, according to auto club AAA. Diesel strength is also underpinning the so-called 3-2-1 crack spread, a measure of refinery margins for turning crude oil into fuel, at above $44 a barrel as of Friday. That is one reason refiners are running at near record rates in the US at a time when domestic gasoline demand has softened. Gulf Coast refiners operated at 98.1% of capacity last week, the highest since December 2018, according to US Energy Information Administration data.
Am I the only one who thinks that oil that comes from our country (as a finite resource) should MAYBE stay here for our future use?!
The oil is out of the Strategic Reserve and over a million barrels have been exported to china .
Of course not. That's not the globalist way.*************************************
Alaska cracked open the oil revenue piggy bank and will cut us a $650 energy relief check on September 20th, combined with the PFD. $3,200.