Operator was complaining that no one wants to work anymore and that’s why they can’t get anybody to run machines. Followed up by telling me he’s been at a multi million maybe billion dollar company for 15 years and makes $25/hr as a supervisor. Next experienced operator made $23. Scrap place I worked at paid $24?/hr for a very high COL area and had the same issue. Wonder why.
I got shovel grunts that make almost 25 these days my top tier guys are in the mid thirties
Mebbee he's only worth $25 per hour, and management knows it? Some guys just can't put 2 and 2 together and realize that a little effort and less b!tching sometimes gets rewarded? Just because it seems like everybody, everywhere is making $30+, doesn't automatically make YOU worth $30+.
Well people here complain about all the people from other countries taking all the jobs. Problem is that they will work. Peat moss companies, fish plants, a couple of the boat builders, all the minimum wage coffee shops, and places like McDonalds pay to bring them in and house them because no one wants to work. They don't miss their shifts, they are always on time, and they put their head down and work. One of the places I plow, a smaller contractor does the sidewalks, and they clean off and move the company cars. He was on his own Friday morning because his employees wouldn't answer their phones to come in. Most of our truck drivers are 60 plus, because they can't get younger people. They all want to get famous on youtube and make money with videos. My favorite one was a 20 year old leaving early because the job was too boring. Oh and the ever popular Friday afternoon, do you need me to stay.
For 150 years an ounce of gold was worth 20 Dollars. Then in WWII it suddenly jumped to 30 dollars per ounce. How did that happen? We were funding a World War with deficit spending. We printed enough money to cause 50% inflation (as measured against an ounce of gold). Today an ounce of gold is worth 2000 dollars. This means that in just over 80 years we've printed so much money that the US dollar has lost 100 times its value. For every one tax dollar that was spent in 2023, an additional 38 cents were created & spent out of thin air. Another interesting tid bit - gold mines remain in operation world-wide. The global supply of gold is always increasing, which means the value of gold should be always decreasing - but it's not. There's a reason the rich are buying up all the land.
When McDonald’s starting wages are only a couple bucks less, your wages are low. Doesn’t matter what the company “thinks the guy is worth” if he can get a job paying 50% more by changing jobs why would he stick around? And you missed my point. I wasn’t talking about his value, I was referencing his own contradiction of: “no one wants to work here” and “I’m not paid enough”
Since you list Earth as your location, where are you located? Cost of living varies tremendously across the country, continent and planet. Everything is relative.
Eastern Kansas now but before was front range in Colorado.Kansas is lower cost of living than Colorado but I’m just comparing jobs in the same market. Union operator is listed as starting at $30/hr, a guy starts with a low paying position with high turn over. Easy to get in with minimal experience and then he jumps to something better but the original company can’t figure out why no one sticks around. (If you already knew what I meant I apologize for the redundancy.)
I'm not sure why I'm debating this subject, but comparing McDonald's wages to legitimate, skilled trade wages is an unfair comparison due to the current situation in the national workforce. These fast food service jobs always were, and should still be considered entry-level, unskilled, low wage jobs. Due to good times and ****** parenting for way too long, the pool of potential workers for these places has been reduced to adults who should be working jobs that traditionally paid higher, living wages. But, with the younger generation refusing to, or not being required to work at all, in order to have employees, these places have been forced to pay double what they should be paying to keep the doors open. And now, because of this, I as an employer should be forced to base my wages against McDonald's?
This was a machine that I came to 10 minutes after the lube man (That gets compensated very well) just serviced!
Compensated very well how? By whose standards? Legitimately want to know, I’ve seen some places that pay very well but can’t find good help, usually they’ve got a bad habit of hanging onto poor employees for too long. Sometimes it’s a place that realizes they’re way behind and jumps up the pay scale but they’re still behind or have a bad culture from the people that were willing to work for the low pay.
What do you do, or what role do you play in a business to make you the authority on what constitutes a proper wage?
The world is what is yelling at people to get off your lawn because you don’t like it won’t change the economy. People are the way they’ve always been. The generations before you said the same things about your generation. So yea if you want good help you have to pay for it. Always has been always will be. If the only way for a business to be profitable is by paying people as little as possible because they’re other choice is starving, how does that make sense for anyone but the business owner? My work jumped their pay probably 25%? higher than everyone around and now they have the cream of the crop to choose from. Now they’re more profitable than ever because good happy employees make more money.
Making Union master agreement HDR scale
Well let’s look at your posts here looking for employees? As someone who has been an employee what were you offering that made you a better choice than any other job in the area? Based off your own response to your post, nothing. As a person who’s hired and fired employees I know I want people that value themselves and I get their input on what they want for a wage, compare it to similar positions including benefits and such. Then I let them prove if they can back up their determined self-worth. Everyone has the God given ability to decide what they’re worth in this country. Someone else deciding that or complaining about it gets too close to ending statements in “comrade” for me.
Not sure what HDR is? Is this one of those infamous guy can never be reprimanded or reassigned union positions? I can see a bad apple getting in there and making a mess out of it. Does that mean he is worth the wage based on his skill sets? Probably not but what is the position worth for someone that can actually do it?
Well, you are the one that started this thread stating your opinion that too cheap of wages are the reason employers can't keep or find help, so..... What response are you referring to?
Heavy Duty Repairman (heavy equipment mechanic) $50 hr range
My first post was about a manager complaining no wants to work and without even taking a breath complaining they don’t make enough. I thought the irony of it was hilarious, perfect example of typical management. If they felt that way about their position I’d bet all the people that moved on from the company did too. But in their head their situation was different rather than empathizing with others it’s easier to label and dismiss them.
To the point that if entry level jobs are paying 5 to 8 bucks an hour less than a high skilled job the skill is not valued well now if we are comparing entry level construction labor to McDonalds and there is at least a 5 buck gap then the outfit is putting a reasonable value on developing a skill. If you have been at it 20 years and only make 10 bucks more than McDonald's you either need a new company to work for or you suck a lot Maybe it's true people don't want to work but I think it's only to a point there is such opportunity in any industry right now that rivals construction with equal pay and less physical demand or in the tech world pays 40 to 50 percent more than construction does with less physical demand This means the youg guys we get to chose from are the ones that feel through the cracks or refused to go into the military or can't pass a drug test because the good ones that the industry relied on the way it was 30 years ago those type have better options right now And the older guys that need a job are not high performance any one with experience is employed for good money and if there not they quietly find a job and jump for a better outfit or more money And if a lube guy worked for me and was payed scale and left that he would either fix it on his own time or need a new job either way he is not worth his scale
Its funny i have a great long term memory and the guys i remember complaining about wages were not the best workers. I really have never work at a place were i didnt think the wages were far. One place i worked they had a strict rules about no talking about wages. One day one of the guys said what he was making it was the same as me. That was odd because i was certified in several things he wasnt. It really hit me funny but i was making good money and looking back if i would have said anything someone would have been fired .
Thats a good job around here.
This is a deal that has no good or maybe right answer and probably never will.
I see both arguments here............everybody is right in their own respect. I see young people that feel like they are owed everything without doing much the most. It's a sad situation that will not get better. I also see people busting their ass daily for not enough pay in my opinion.
I work in the oilfield in western Kansas and it's not much better, pay is 20+ with no experience and people still need their mom to wake them up, still doesn't mean they will show
Well said Doug. One needs to factor in the local cost of living, company benefits, job description, state/local taxes, etc. in order determine if a wage is "competitive".
AND just because Company A is paying $47.89 per hour for an operator, it doesn't mean that every other dirt mover in the state has to match that or pay more. [HINT, HINT, same goes for McDonald's] I'll say it one more time. Pissing and moaning that if you can make $X of money per hour at McDonalds, why can't these other places pay way more than that, go cry in your beer.
He would get an a-- chewing from me.
Was a farm foreman and shop forman for the same rice/walnut farm for 15 years, climbed the ladder up to $25/hr was it enough? no but some of these guys cant compete with the bigger farms/companies wages... tractor operators were making $21... I was putting in all the hours, did everything but sign the paychecks... finally realized that i wasnt valued for what i was putting out and they "couldnt" afford to pay more, seen dozens of workers come in for a week just to leave after we / I invested time in training them, So I have seen it from both sides. the young guys "most of them" granted i'm a young guy but i say I was born in the wrong era bused my ass every day to do my job the best I could, isnt the case for the workers we were getting. So you know what I did? Changed the channel, invested in myself, bought a service truck and took the bull by the horns, i never complained about pay, just did my job. like it was said here above, the ones who complain about pay also scoffed and whined if they were asked to do anything more than sit in a cab or to check their equipment. Its a people problem, not being taught good work ethic or just keep your nose to the grindstone.
If the average American had their paycheck tripled, they'd have the same buying-power as 4 years ago. Debating over 25, vs 30, vs 45 dollar per hour wages is avoiding the elephant in the room - which is that our nation is on the cusp of a Great Depression or Hyperinflation event. Ask yourself this - why are the rich buying up all the land?
I would like to know. Why are they buying up all the land? And what are they doing with it?
I felt I actually Made more money at $17/hr 5 years ago, my wife and I were just discussing that the other day.
When money is expected to lose appreciable value, the goal is to exchange (spend) the money for something tangible today, that will not lose applicable value tomorrow. Historically people purchased gold. The problem is that gold is only a viable investment when someone buys it back from you. Land however always has value. If the US dollar were to completely collapse in a hyperinflation event (where the US switches to some form of new global currency - which might actually happen), land will not collapse. It will retain market-value within the new form of currency. Note that Costco recently sold a few billion dollars worth of gold, while land values continue to climb. This is alarming. Investors buy gold when they expect high inflation. They sell their gold & buy land when they expect something worse. A guy at work used to joke by saying when the crap hits the fan, a person could be walking down the street with a ham sandwich in one hand, and a bar of gold in the other. He'll be shot & killed for his ham sandwich, and left for dead holding the bar of gold.
^ money is imaginary and only works if both parties agree on the value of money, which is the same on USD, gold, or a trade good. Real estate is great, essential items are always useful, and appreciable items such as non emissions engines are a safe bet. When I started in the oilfield I would make in one day what was all week at Walmart and I was only making 13.50/hr. Now a overnight stocker could probably make 80-90% what you start on the oil field especially how people don't make 5 days for overtime
Thanks to [shall remain unwritten to abide by the rules] there are a lot of places that have to pay DOUBLE, that's right, DOUBLE base pay rate for overtime. FURTHERMORE, overtime is not "after 40" anymore, it's any time after EIGHT HOURS IN ONE DAY. THANK YOU [**********] for this crap.
If you're in the AG industry (in COMMIEFORNIA anyway) and employer has under 25 employees you still get screwed for overtime, it was anything after 12, then dropped to 10, last year was 9, this year 8.5 and next year anything after 8 is overtime then they threw in if you work consecutively 7 days the 7th day is double time, so we got Sundays off .. they're slowly implementing this, but all it did was take your "overtime" hours and made them hire a few more people to get things done and everyone goes home after the "regular" time, which hurt, sometimes all you get to bank on is your overtime hrs. Or my personal favorite... after your regular time, clock out and then clock in for the next farm entity... LOL
The elite are going to starve the middle and lower class to death.
With federal labor laws as long as your making more than minimum wage employers can really do whatever that want to. They could not pay you overtime and as long as your making more than minimum wage it's a ok.
Where is this at? Surely not here. If an employee gets pissed and can prove with timecards they're owed back wages, they will get it. Heard it happen too many times. Our state doesn't require double time or OT after 8.........yet.
Look up the federal labor laws, it's all over. Example if you make 20 an hour and work 60 hours and they only pay you 1200, and if the federal minimum wage is 10 (I don't know what it is) and if they pay you anything over $700 the employer cannot be held liable federally. You either have a state law or a contract. This is why there is variance in overtime time calculations as you get more than min wage so really anything can fly. Always figure earning per year and time worked when getting a job and not hourly rate.
I am interested in continuing this conversation on money. I will start a new thread.
Interesting-the read on ideas/thoughts, many factors to think about. I live where I do {Walla Walla} because I don't care for high populated areas riddled with low life crime. Do I make less {yes}, Do I have less stress yes, and obviously I'm ok with that. My area pays less that's just the way it is, a tradeoff from over populated/congested struggle bus life. * But there a few parameters missed in above posts-like some actual graphs by population based on {Income by household type} & {Earnings by educational attainment}. By looking at it from a geographical stand point. I will use my town Walla Walla & Mercer Island as examples-from one end of scale to the other. I don't like the ads either-but. The Two Links. * Walla Walla, Washington Population 2024 * Mercer Island, Washington Population 2024 * The above is about pay scale, not necessarily about wanting to work. * Below is one of the best books I've read on The Great Depression, rather long. Contains many facts no one really ever considered.
Land prices are definitely going crazy here. A quarter section will have multiple bidders at one million dollars. Many times there are investors buying up the farmland. Prices 5 years ago were about 300 to 400 thousand a quarter. We wondered how anyone could afford the new JD X9 combine at one million dollars but now farmers have multiples of them.
Price of property--have to look at commercial property values, prices per sq ft, and is drastic depending on area. Nationally $130 square ft, industrial was a total of 48.6 billion. Commercial in Bellevue Wa. $600 a sq ft. Just depends on location to how crazy it is.
Developed and established orchard ground in Northern California is going for 18-27k/ac and as high as I’ve heard 35k/ac, Rice ground is over 10k/ac. Small plot of 40 acres went for 400k last year, another one popped up for 890k for 10 acres of rice field and a shop with no house. Insane
Remember that million dollars only gets you a combine, still gotta dish out another 100k for a header, if you can get one. Old boss bought a “new” case 9250 combine and waited 3 months to get a header for it, showed up 3 weeks before harvest, needless to say I could see him sweating bullets from across the shop
Tomorrow morning I head back to Spokane to pickup parts I took up on the 24th of Sept. Crank & rods were finished but cylinder heads are still not done. But the owner of the shop sold me a set of complete new loaded castings with same cast # for a 100 over rebuilt cost each. * Problem is the young guy he has working has family issues and is--it seems constantly sick. So not showing up for work. It isn't a case of pay it's a case of priorities, which he seems to have problems with. In talking to owner { nice guy running a very good diesel machine business, this is the third new-be he's dealt with recently. He's having a tough time finding some- one that can keep on course, work is backing up. And his main machinist is going to retire in about a year. He admits he is in a predicament with keeping the doors open. It's about the only one left in eastern Wa. It's a great trades skill that still has a large future but real tough to find help.
Our local engine shop closed their doors after 30 years from the same issue. Owner had a great customer base and capacity to take on more work, but nobody wanted to take over the business. Rich did great work, he did a handful of projects for me and my buddies over the years.
A little military trivia - Submarine base Bangor, Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, and Keyport Undersea Warfare Center each had an auto hobby shop on base for the sailors. Back in the late 90s you'd see enlisted men rebuilding engines, or putting gears into their jeep, or a lift kit under their truck. Today all three hobby shops are permanently closed. The last one to shut their doors was Subase. A passive-aggressive note was left on the door stating: "Sailor's don't know how to fix cars anymore, thus we're shutting our doors indefinitely" (presumably the note was left by a disgruntled employee). The problem is that the note was 100% true.
Ive been saying for years now that inflation is a mith, prices ain't going up, the value of currency is going down which in fact is deflation.
When people decided that they needed to be able to make a living by flipping burgers for the drive-thru, that was the beginning of the end.
Sadly all to true and with that goes the attitude the world still owes them.
Yeah--it's a menial job, no one really needs fast food, bad for peoples health, creates allot of trash and rubbish, leads to obesity. Flipping burgers is for total lowlifes not looking to get ahead in life. Strictly a starter job with no future---------except for the owner---he or she have a good life as a business person touting how they are creating employment, feeding merica with salt, grease & sugar, and making a bank deposit daily---hoping the lowlifes hang around flipping burgers for their benefit and keep their lifestyle in -place. * Don't like the price--make your own sandwich.
Your comment has some merit. It is not completely accurate. It is a a great job to have if you enjoy meeting people that live in your area and want to get out of the house...
Almost all of our fast food and some dine in restaurants are foreign owned and operated. It is rare to find someone working in them that has English as their native language.
My point is---it's better to have people working doing what ever rather than others paying their way. Not everybody is going to be on the top scale of life's endeavors. As far as accurate----there is no one set of opinions or ideas that are truly accurate.
I've got days I wish I was flipping some burgers
I did it in high school, also washed dishes at two restaurants. Dealing with public? The two hardest things to prepare breakfast egg orders and steaks. There are folks that can't be satisfied no matter how hard you try, would b!tch if they were hung with a new rope.
Flipping burgers relies on discretionary spending, meanwhile jobs that help support a nation go without the workers required. It's very screwy.
Reality is pretty scary. Wife is a FF Aholic, NEEDS FF or goes into DTs, stopped at a MickeyDs to sate her need for a McBiscuit as went to MN for the Trailer, a Sausage Biscuit and coffee were close to $9, for ONE Serving Order. Woulda been cheaper to bring Thermos(As I do for daily Runs) and a Poptart or other Snack Breakfast junk or even had Breakfast AT HOME before started out. Then HAD TO STOP to Pee at Macon MO from Coffee, and just as were leaving, she spotted the Donuts, another $4, yet I had to have too!!
From the song "Industrial disease", the words ring true again. "These are the effects of a monetary squeeze".
America is ruled by our caloric intake, the need for sugar & fat out weigh {no pun intended} many other necessary items. * Trade jobs in many cases require getting dirty---high percentage don't want to get dirty, but then look at their personal hygiene and it really shouldn't matter. To find out any persons work ethic or the wheels turning in their head--one look at the vehicle they drive {inside & out} will give you a pretty good idea what your dealing with. In a few cases they have too much going on to bother with being tidy.
Yeah, I hear it's rough going, when you spend all your time trying to sleep with the boss.
Back in the day it was easy enough to get a job by turning and asking for one in person. The first thing the boss would do was to look at the prospects car, vehicle age wasn't a factor but its apperance was huge. If they won't look after their own stuff they'll never look after mine was his reasoning and rightly so.
I'm really curious what that looks like since 2021. During COVID we watched housing in N Idaho jump from like $160k a house to $1mil bids from CA folks flooding in. Same in rentals; we were paying $1k a month for a 2 bedroom house (and that was high) to seeing newly built studio apts jump to $2-3k for all the remote job tech folks flooding in.
Yeah--given the time lapse. 2/3 bedroom here $2,300 up, studios up to 2. Average 3 bedroom house new construction $375 up.
CA and NY folks been buying up anything around here they can at nearly any price. That all seems to have shut down in last few weeks. Some builders between here and St Charles/St Peters have stopped rapid expansion building. Prices have become negotiable as well. Times are a changing
That line of thinking isn't wrong. A lot of the young guys I work with drive ragged out pieces of **** and you almost have to beat them with a broom to get them to clean up after themselves.
You're in the Spokane area, correct? It's all wonky in the region at this point. We moved to Oregon and seems like everyone here is from Eastern WA, Idaho and Montana that all got priced out of their home states. It's pretty MOD EDIT that on the regular I see Idaho vehicles with folks living in them up in Salem. I'm sure not going to complain about the move since lake Couer d'alene is a lead poisoned nightmare versus getting to fish wild salmon off the coast in the last two years.
It’s rather surprising how popular, expensive and upscale the CDA area is, despite the Bunker Hill Mining and Metallurgical Complex Superfund fiasco. There is nothing pristine about it. I bought a new track home, in a nice sub, in Rathdrum in 18 thinking it would be a good place to settle down and retire. We got priced out before even considering a full time residence in North Idaho. Screw it. I’ll stay in AK until I’m too old to shovel snow. Maybe Appalachia is the play?. Settle down in the holler. But, Patty Loveless says you never leave Harlan alive.
My Uncle and his Fourth Wife moved from AK in the late 80s to Eugene OR then to Salem, did not stay there long either moving to CdA late 2003. Went up for a family reunion 2008 with all his kids and grandkids, quite the time spent at a church ran camp on the SE side of the lake. Visited again in 2010 that time drove to Seattle and stayed two days then back to finish out a week. Sadly he passed at 93 in 2023. His widow is just turned 80 still lives CdA but is planning on a move to a condo.
Oh no--I wouldn't live there on a bet, I live in WWW. the internet AI.---Walla Walla. Have two sisters that live in Post Falls---which exploded with building, strange area lots of religious groups moved in there. I live in a area off the beaten path--the only down fall here is the wine. The rich wine-o's have infiltrated the area, but I expect the wine-o thing will dissipate as us ageing boomers die off. Z & millennials just are not the wine-o's that Boomers and Xer's are. * One things for sure--the greatest transfer of wealth in history is underway. With boomers dropping like flies all their investments and in allot of cases way over valued properties are falling to the flock of off spring. It has been figured 80% of wealth/is inherited.
Fact is---everyone {in some cases} is escaping one mess to move to another. Reality sets in about a year later when the new in town folks start looking around and notice that in there new town-----the clothes lines have the same ugly underwear hanging full of nasty skid marks the {Tide} couldn't remove--same as the last town they lived in.
Many of the Family trees around us are limbless sticks, intermarried families of the generations that first settled here are ALL first cousins. Last names change, some move to adjoining towns to find partners not related only to find are Still related, Closely.
Around me Amish, Mennonites, Dunkards and ??? others . Have been moving in the past few years . It has really changed the price of houses and land. I am not exactly sure why they have chosen this area?
Local township can't find Heavy Equipment mechanics....offering pay $20 hour....duh.
Ah--that's more than enough for that ship.
More of a constant reliable breeze to dry their skid marked shorts.
DINKs have been the promise land buyers as far as I can tell as to big money paying purchasers, and mostly hard cash. Have finally figured out money in the bank can rest on its laurels and not cost but also makes Jack and/or Jill Dull and Boring. Farms in testate to States' for parks or some kind of Trust for Wildlife benefit as if we needed more bumper display/damaging targets. The Do-Gooders have been trying to out Do Good each other for decades and the cash at hand made that simple. McD Marvel Mansions in the Woods, minimum 5000sf up to 60,000sf as to one, Toy Storage not Tools and Land Maintenance equipment, more FF Disposal Johns than most Motel Chain dives and sewage systems designed for such. $$Billions being spent as Tax Havens and Temporary Living Quarters for the aged and becoming invalids to require 24/7 nursing care they so far cannot locate no matter the money. In McClintock, JWayne noted so many figured to have parks established in their names to be Heaven Guaranteed, that adage still holds true and yet is a disservice to land owner and steward ship as to keeping productive to serve the many not the minimal where the individual states do not have that kind of cash to keep those parks functional or even just maintained unable to sustain these. Net result is Yuppie/Ex-Hippie types that could not breed out the Commune Life and Living to Self-Sustaining now trying to shovel that down the public's throat as Mass Land Holders, Gates, Bezos and others as themselves included. Creating in many cases self-destructive mass land absorption that will implode as they die.
Found the article: https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/millcreek-township-looking-for-mechanics-as-winter-approaches/ I don't understand the supervisors comment about going to the union to get approval to raise the offered wage ?
Depends on what were currently paying as to a Contract Wage schedule. That would require a renegotiation, and schedules adjusting.
I thought heavy equip mechanics would be part of the operating engineers, and there is a standard rate ?
If they're union maybe that's the issue? After the BS I dealt with being in a union I'll never take that path again.
Worked both and would not go back to Non if returned to wrenching a living. Got hosed in Teamsters IBEW and IAMAW but Operators Union IUOE was great. Treated the wrenches as equal employees without special wording or rates, Journeyman Mechanic in that local got same respect as HE, Power Station or Truck divisions. Had entry level rates that once fulfilled ticket advanced to step raises. Other three were considered offshoot step children and mostly ignored. Independent I carried a IUOE card to be able to work on Union Sites, as a Open Garage mechanic saw the aberrations of personnel abuse.
Like I said before--they cut the pony tail/shaved got a suit & joined the one thing they railed against--big brother. And have turned into the biggest hypocrites waving the flag. What's funny is they get out of bed to watch Squawk on the Street--got to check their investments first thing every morning.
I won't spam up the thread with details but I would just about rather starve than accept another union position. My own personal experiences with them have not been positive.
Know several on both sides of that fence. Each has their own opinion and I do accept those that refuse Union membership. Had I not entered the IUOE I would not have remained Union had it been for Teamsters or Machinists halls.
I spent most of my summer and early fall in BC I don't believe being in the IOUE is the "positive experience" it can be in the states
I have no opinion one way or the other about unions--never worked a union job. But one thing I have noticed most--is the sense of entitlement that can develop over time.
You unfortunately are correct, also a of specialist who will tell you they work for the union not the employer. My "positive experience" was great for me and my family but it doesn't work like that for every one
There's still sketchy stuff going on with that mine and the drinking water is still anything but good. The resort/city keeps paying out to keep all that all hush-hush. Too many retirees and Silicon Valley tech types flooding in.
Boomers legacy---credit cards, and all the debt that goes with credit, debt is good they pronounced. ----------------------College--everyone needs to go to college, don't be a tradesman. ----------------------The drug culture belongs lock stock and barrel to boomers, then just say {no}. ----------------------Gas powered toys are good--he who dies with most gas/diesel burners wins. ----------------------And now their favorite saying or term for what ever or when talking to a generation ----------------------Z---{Well back in the day} like boomers have been around since the inception of ----------------------the Model T----boomers acted & thought they would never die, now most of the ----------------------advertising is all geared to boomers and their hemorrhoids. ----------------------But the biggest thing to come out of the boomer years----{Nerds} and nerds took ----------------------over your everyday life with {PC's & cell phones}. Boomer nerds completely ----------------------shaped the mind set from 1980 on. Yes the simple milk toast nerd snuck in and ----------------------created the net surfing couch potato effecting a national workforce, {break time ----------------------out comes that cell to check all the worthless data}. Future generations will be ----------------------born with a bent neck---I guess the next generation will be called bent necks. * That was a strange typing format--early dementia I suppose.
You just keep cackling away. The boomers are your age, not mine. 60-70 something's are boomers. MY generation is now left to try and fix the mess. IF the boomers get the ***** out of the way.
Whose mess? Boomers did not build it.
Far too many useless boomer offspring. And now THEY are creating even worse workers than they were. Obviously not all, but way too high of a percentage. If all the boomers had raised their kids like they had been raised, we probably wouldn't be discussing this issue right now.
Yeah yeah yeah. point missed. Don't worry boomers are dying at rapid pace. Wasn't referring or including, don't exist.
Have guys on logging job that have been there over 15, 20, and even a truck driver over 30 years. When good help comes pay them. It pays you in tbe long run. Nothing like having guys in a profession like mountain logging that you know will be there everyday and do a good job and take care of your equipment everyday. My guys bump 6 digits annually, and thats a lot in this neck of the woods!
I think the fact there is a shortage of trades people says a lot and it's going to get worse. The trades aren't pushed at all anymore and most of the kids coming out of high school feel like they deserve $20/hr. or more. They don't want to do manual labour, they want to sit behind a computer and collect the big money. God forbid they got their hands dirty.
That's illegal.
94 & 96 are totally void of fact--strictly opinions. Every generation has a particular type of amnesia and forgets that, they too, were once the kids doing it wrong. There is plenty to read on the subject--I forgot reading has become passe also.
And I dearly love those 20 somethings fresh from Trade School that know it all been it all and have all the tools in their backpack to prove it.
Most folks can't tell you what took place 30 days ago, let alone 3 day's ago. And that's all ages. I like to call it instant amnesia. The pace of life is just too fast.
Not allowed to talk about wages illegal? I worked at place that told everyone not to discuss their Christmas bonus'. They said they were based on your time there and your production blah blah blah. Employee's with less than 6 month's didn't get a bonus which is a really bad way to show you appreciate them. Giving different bonus' is just a recipe for a lot of resentment among the employee's. It's like ranking how important they are to the company. A company is nothing without all the employee's working together for a common goal. Just like in sports, a superstar still needs the support of the rest of the team. There are a few examples where teams spent big money on a star player to try and buy a championship but failed miserably.
Yea I think that would mostly be state by state, or region by region, because here in NC you can fire someone for any reason just because you feel like it, and they can't do anything about it. Thats the law.
RTW states tend to have employer protections as that as well.
Terminate at Will & Right to Work--Two very separate work laws and environments. Right to Work laws came about because of NLRA. Right to Work states tend to have a lower pay scale--fact. Terminate at will offers employers many protections/discretions but it also narrows rules for employees. * Terminate at Will---any employee can be discharged any anytime for any reason that does not have to noted. Basically the law is on the employers side. But the part that employers fail to remember/recognize in TAW states--They still expect a two week notice but can terminate at any moment. So employee can ditch also with no notice. * I just love it when employees ditch on a seconds notice---the look of the boss gritting teeth, veins in neck bulging, ears turning red. Or the disgruntled employee who hardly showed up for work thinking he is getting stepped on. * Employees & Employers often forget why they chose the path they live on or the path chosen for them. Neither one can remember three days back. For one it was the lure of greed & power the other a slight laziness and spending habit. * As seen from a managers point of view dealing with both sides.
Brought about by the fact that most can't manage finances, let alone payroll, insurance, taxes. Most looking for "the man" to take care of their every need, pay, health, dental, child care, retirement. Recipe for poverty in the end.
Very true.
Here employee's for the most part have a 3 month probation and can be let go for what ever reason in that 3 month's. Some employers could have up to 6 month's but I think that would have to be outlined when the employee is hired. After probation the employer has to give a reason for termination but they could basically make up what ever reason they wanted. If an employee is laid off they need to be given 2 weeks notice or else paid for the 2 weeks if they were employed over a year. Long term employee's let go for reasons other than theft, violence and other more serious reasons are usually entitled to longer notice. I think the max. is 10 weeks by employment standards guidelines but those guidelines are the minimum the employee is entitled to. In wrongful dismissal cases that are successful I've heard of 1 month for every year employed. Sometimes less and in extreme cases the employee gets punitive damages on top of the severance pay that can be many times over the severance pay. It costs a lot of money to go to court in most cases and in my experience the judges were biased towards the employer. With trades people in short supply employers need to treat their employee's a lot better than when the market was flooded with trades people.
And there are allot of women employers too. But the fact not everyone is cut out to be in business. But there too is the type "the man" who pulls up rolls the window down to check on his "workers". Many types, all types of people depending on one another to survive. Some are nice while others are ugly.
It never made sense to me why some employers can be rather arrogant and cold towards employee's when they're up to their eyeballs in work. Making really good money and not appreciating your employee's makes absolutely no sense but I guess for some there's never enough money and always something to complain about.
Well it takes two sides to create a conflict, and unfortunately too many show up to work carrying too much stress from outside work activities, that's boss & employees. * I personally had too much work & decisions to take care of to get involved with inter-company drama, my job was to keep it rolling not wright the checks. And not many on here understand the dispatchers area/life. It's a 24 hour boiler trying to keep the whole show on track. But to top it off--you get out of the job what you put into it--sometimes it's great and sometimes not. Some bosses & employees are a good fit and sometimes not---then it's time to move on.
Yeah, there's always some who don't really like their job but like the money. Still have to find things to complain about. I always found it way nicer to try to get along with coworkers. It makes for a way nicer work environment. I hate guys that brag about how good they are and think work is like a competition to see who's the best or who's the fastest. The quality of the job is the most important thing to worry about. So what if someone else took a little longer. If you're not the one writing the cheques mind your own business. Not many are fast and good. Fast and sloppy is common though. You have to take pride in your work. If you don't you're in the wrong job.
There's a large dealer here that is bad for screwing people over. They'll hire like crazy when its busy and the moment it slows down they'll lay off hundreds at a time.