A couple of talking heads with nothing to say but take 12 minutes to say it. Cummins was fined for defeat devices on OTR engines maybe 20 years ago. The 'puter was programmed to recognize the EPA cycle and reduce power in that instance. Then VW thought that was such a good idea they copied it for their 2.0L. That didn't turn out very good either. I wonder what the settlement will entail, and how it will effect all the owners that have deleted their trucks?
Horse power, fuel efficiency, epa compliant pick one ?
Something smells strange about this whole situation. Cummins has been more than willing and in many instances first to the podium to announce their partnerships with the EPA programs. Seems like there could be something else going on here….just intuition, not based on any specific knowledge.
Nothing smells strange--it just boils down to money and greed, always the two main ingredients. * The proper recall on all of those--derate everyone of them to 1990 5.9 level hp rating.
Nah, I think there’s plenty more to this story but you’ll never know the real truth.
The EPA under this administration has laying down crushing fines for violations of the clean air act. Regardless if its Cummins, independent shops doing deletes, or guys building trucks on the internet, the fines are incredible. Surprises me that Cummins would think they would get by with this, especially after the VW fiasco.
incentive--money.
EPA is taking the ATF methods.
It wasn't under this administration that the alleged violations happened. It was under the previous two admins. Seems like they changed their ways around the time the most recent came in.
If they were cooperating with the EPA before, I guess that showed them what to expect from a three letter agency.
That is true, from what I have seen on this settlement it is a bit like a plea bargain, not exactly admitting guilt, and the specifics are not available to us. Of course no news organization will dig into this, skim the surface and on to the next thing.
From what I read also, the amount of the fine is small enough across the volume sold, to just lump it in as cost of doing business and move on. I remember a Cat 3208 from 1989 that had a phrase on the valve cover sticker from Cat, engine does not comply but fines are already paid. If you toss some money to the government, that offsets any potential air pollution.
I think you’re right @Birken Vogt , green initiatives cost a lot of money and that money has to come from somewhere. Government doesn’t have any so we gotta make the private sector step up and pay their share.
This is typical corporate behavior--Cummins agrees to pay 1.67 Billion, But admits to no wrong doing plus has seen no evidence of bad behavior. The funny smell is EPA was caught not minding the business again right after the VW incident, so lets keep it all sort of hush-hush shall we. * A relative that runs a auditing CPA firm--{Quote} Bean Counters are all alike in the corporate/ or high level municipal arenas, everyone of them thinks he has the inside track and can fool the next bean counter-they are like squirrels hiding nuts thinking those can't found, all playing a high stakes game for corporate that they themselves will never be charged with.
The violations may have occurred before, but the fines were under this administration. There are diesel shops around here, private guys that have been fined millions for deleting. BroDozer got hit big time, I can remember the amount, but it was huge. 1.6 Billion may not be that crippling for Cummins, but the fines against these shops that don't have the high end lawyers are certainly getting lopsided fines. Everytime I see these guys on here posting doing deletes on equipment, I cringe.
Its just too bad there is no place to communicate all this, sorta stuff, till its too late.
I want nothing to do with pitchfork and torch type people but I fear they will show up sooner or later, the way things are going.
Yeah they gave up along time ago chasing the Frankenstein monster across the roof tops.
Maybe??? Cummins thought they could slip it under the rug since they were working with the EPA on emission compliance with other engines? How could you suspect a company working with the EPA to be in violation of the same EPA. It may have had something to do with selling more engines/trucks because they can be hopped up to have more or comparable power to Ford and GM trucks. It seems with diesel pickup's there are a lot of owners who have to have the most power and the biggest clouds of black smoke when they stomp on the throttle like it's a status symbol or something. Same as guys with the ridiculous lift kits, huge mud tires and extra loud exhaust. Compensating for other things. I really like how quiet my truck is on the highway, is easy to get into and has more than enough get up and go.
I suspect it was something of a gray area, was OK under the previous set of bureaucrats but somebody new got ahold of it and needed a notch in their belt, so came out charging. But for now, we don't get to know what happened.
One would wonder why it took so many years to be found unless it was a bit of a gray area.
The Cummins Nat Gas engines are not doing well in HD Bus packages, and now Cummins has the Warranty on the Cooling Systems of the Electric Buses around St Louis. Seems all they have in the last ten years is larger turds.
Maybe the EPA thought of Cummins more as an industrial engine supplier and didn't realize how many (smaller) engines they supplied to Dodge. Not realizing that Dodge didn't build their own diesel engines and Cummins supplied millions of them. Kind of a can't see the forest through the tree's kind of deal until someone at the EPA finally realized how many Cummins engines were in pickups.