I was talking to my local Deere salesman the other day and he was telling that since September Deere had been able to order some equipment with tier 3 engines in Canada. I did not know this but apparently it is not law yet to have tier 4 in equipment yet. And won't be till 2017! This has really got me thinking of purchasing a new backhoe next year. Just thought I would pass on the message to my fellow Canadians. If you are looking to buy new within the next year and want to avoid the tier 4 emissions. Deere may be able to hook you up!
Case is still making N series backhoes for Canada that are Tier 3 also. That's what I was told when I was at factory training for them earlier this year.
I heard some cities like Vancouver have stricter regs in place, but yeah if you're thinking of buying get a Tier 3 now for sure, price usually goes way up when you jump to T4 final too.
Environmental regs on emissions are complex and confusing. The major agencies regulating engine emissions (US, Canada, EU), do allow OEM's "credits" for complying with start dates of new regs. The credits allow use of certain older Tier engines in certain HP ranges. Which means you may end up with TIII, T4i, and T4F engines all available at the same time. But, the credits don't increase or get extended. When they are gone, they are gone. So, don't wait, if the demand for the T3 powered units is high enough, there may not be available too far out. Certain municipalities in both the US and Canada are already specifying T4f engines only.....so there is that.....ll
Why would the manufacturer be selling tier 4 if they didn't have to?? Tier 3 is cheaper to produce and would a big selling point to not have to deal with all the extra emissions stuff.
It's not a selling point if all your competitors are running T4F and the government agencies will only allow that.
It's a huge selling point for anyone who's government agency will never inspect the machine. And even more so if you're the only manufacturer selling it. I'm all for clean air and water but so far T4F is a total joke and has done nothing but increase fuel costs, operating costs, and downtime.
The OEM's have no choice but to sell T4F powered machines. It is the law. But, if the OEM has credits available, they may sell T3 powered machines in certain HP classes provided the engines were built before 12-31-14. So they do have inventory costs involved. For non compliance, in the US, the fine can be up to $37,000.00/day per machine. So compliance is gonna happen.
Different countries have different regs, and yes some manufacturers have credits or exemptions they can use up in certain areas. Since they have to build T4 for some sales areas, they can offer both in areas where it's not yet mandatory.
While certain municipalities in Canada may specify T4F, it is for their own use only. They do not have the jurisdiction to require any users in the community to use only T4F machines, as it is not yet Canadian law. The only way they can dictate the T4F use, is if it will be bought by themselves, or by requiring contractors working directly for them to use T4F machines. The key here, is that it's not the law everywhere....yet. Like in Canada.
Yeah, friend in California jumped through hoops to get his rental fleet of aging machines into CARB compliance a few years ago, bought some Tier3 excavators but the rest are Tier2 and 1. Literally every contract now that has any remote connection with the state or a municipality, the bid specs require minimum Tier3, and some Tier4. So much for making the effort to meet the fleet standards. Asshats.