Just had a little guy in from China trying to sell us Shantui dozers! Claims they are the 3rd biggest manufacturer in the world? Anyone any knowledge of them?
I think this guys stories are bigger than him self I bet in former soviet they have made 10 times more tractors than CAT, but that still doesn't make them worth the money... I would rather spend my hard earned money on a used komatsu or cat, than buying the worl record holder of random problems but, i have never heard of these, maybe they are good?
I had to search for this world leader brand, an i actually found a homepage :notworthy but WHAT THE **** IS THIS??????????????? http://en.shantuichina.com/newEbiz1...5625&ProductInfoExhibit_isRefreshParent=false is the blade up side down or something?
looks like you can tilt the blade forward and back, not sure what that achieves. I guess you could tilt it way forward and get some sort of compacting action as you pushed... weird never heard of a trimming dozer before
i worked along side a Shantui Dozer on a jobsite, a machine similar in size to a D85 Komatsu. They look like a rip off of komatsu... and I think they are built rather cheaply and junky.
Shantui Yes,the Communist countries dozers outnumber the rest of the world by a long way...I think China,then Russia have sold squillions of dozers.I think they are mostly sold locally,which means spare parts are easily obtained.When you're operating one in another country,the attraction wanes a bit...unless you have dealer back up. Shantui has had a presence in Australia for some years....just selling a few here & there.I think they make Komatsu & D6D equivalents. I think farmers were buying them for a while in the 90s.I've only seen a few. The presence of China in recent times means more will be sold as parts become easier to source. Jim
Those blades. Hi, Sparffo. Since you raised the point, they are what is known as a trimming blade. The idea is that you can use them as a more or less normal dozer blade but you can also tilt them right back - dozer cutting edge right forward - and scoop up a modest amount of material in a similar fashion to a front end loader so that you can carry it away without spillage or windrows. Another place they are sometimes used is in distributing the material when loading bulk ships or cleaning out the holds in ships that load bulk materials like ores or fertiliser or salt or woodchips. My boss' brother bought a Chinese built SD6 hi-sprocket drive copy of a Cat D6. At 800 hours, the transmission self-destructed. I still have some 'trophies' of the event on top of my bookcase. YECH!!!!!!!! Messy.
I wouldn't recomend them. Stay with Komatsu, but if you do decide to buy one, rather go for the dealer across the border, my side of course, I think sold by ELB Equipment, that or McArthy Heavy Equipemt, but I'll have to check.
Unused Shantui for auction Here's a few pics from the latest RB Auction catalogs,which I received yesterday. 1/...2008 Shantui for auction.I can hear DEAS opening his cheque book.... 2/...Trucking... Northern Territory style. 3...Texas Bucket Wheel.
Cheque book???????????????????????????? Hi, JimInOz. You must have hearing an awful lot better than mine then. I don't even HAVE a cheque account, much less OWN a cheque book. The 'fanatstic plastic' usually does it for me.
I want the road train, and that bucket wheel excavator to fill it with!!!!!!!.....
THAT road train. Hi, Surfer-joe. That road train, while a nice looking set-up is really only mid-range as such things go here in DownUnder. You may have noticed that the front 2 trailers are set up as what we call a 'B-double' - the second trailer sits on a turntable on the back of the first trailer. The other two trailers are plain and simple 'A-trailers', each with its own dolly to carry the front end of the trailer. There are several companies DownUnder now running TRIPLE B-doubles behind a single prime mover, that is three of those front trailer combinations. The first one sits on the prime mover turntable and there a dollys behind the first and second B-doubles to carry the front of the trailer, 6 trailers in all. Most of these companies are running on privte roads but I'm told that one is running partly on private roads and also using about 50 kilometres of public roads. Imagine trying to overtake one of those suckers on a dusty, outback gravel road, complete with bulldust patches. I have been told that they are, technically speaking anyway, limited to 80 kilometres per hour, around 50-55 mph. Whether that happens in practise might be a whole 'nuther' ball game.
anybody buys chinese should have their head examined, I mean replaced. Dog food, tooth paste, dozers, if it comes from China it is either full of poison or is just plain JUNK!!!
Sweets and milk products included, have been included in this melamine scandal. I miss my 'White Rabbits'!! boohoo.
a new twist on plastic milk dont it
Or, the best of anything, no matter what it is is trash compared to the worst junk that came from Japan after World War II. Any time I have the misfortune to encounter a sales rep pushing chinese junk I tell them to get lost. Remember the old "chinese junks" sailing vessells? They even called them junk.
Shantui Dozers HI Guys - My name is Rob Baker and I am based in Durban South Africa. McCarthy Heavy Equippment (MHE) isa subsiduary of Bidvest (top 100 company) and MHE imports the Shantui range of dozers into southern Africa. These dozers are extremely competent and versatile and reliable. Shantui owns 32% of Komatsu China and they "share" parts so many components are interchangeable between certain Shantui/Komatsu units - even have the same part numbers etc. MHE are based nationally within RSA - Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town. Parts are readily available as are new machines (very competitive pricing). Unit size range fro the D3 to D10 equivalents. Engines are either CAT3306 or Cummins dependant on size of machine MHE also bring in the Sany range of products which encompasses excavators, compaction rollers, pneumatic rollers, concrete boom trucks etc. My contact details are as follows: Rob Baker Mobile: +27 71 688 2103 email: [email protected]
Hi there Rob, its good to see another South African here at HEF.
thing is though Greg I think you'd be surprised just how many components of your "Western-made" machine are sourced from China.....all part of the new universal company drive to produce cheap machines, reducing overheads and outsourcing as much as is possible. I don't think anyone is under the impression that western-made product is 101% reliable, it still breaks down just that some feel that because its got an old traditional name then it's an easier pill to swallow http://china.cat.com/cda/layout?m=63735&x=7 http://www.cat.com/cda/files/202490...facturing Joint Venture with China Yuchai.pdf
Looked at these about ten years ago Have a video somewhere shows the factory and machines at work on a dam site from memory they had a small dozer with a trimming blade and d65-6 and d85-12 komatsu made with help from komatsu factory was largely automated but with very little health and safety the track plant was all automated which they brought from Germany at the time I looked at buying a used d65 and gamble on a good run with no problems or buying a shantui for the same money and go new and take the gamble. The decider was resale a used d65 komatsu still have reasonable value and relatively easy to sell. a shantui??? sandy
Greetings - Shantui Dozers Hey Sandy Shantui is a relative newcomer in terms of Southern Africa - MHE have been importing them for 3 years now and yes you are correct: there has been a lot of resistance in terms of "Chinese Crap" and resale values. Since initially importing the units there have been certain teething problems but MHE have found that Shantui are very proud of the brand and they have bent over backwards to resolve all warranty and out of warranty work - at their expense. This has built up a tremendous amount of goodwill in the South African market and sales are steadily improving (currently have about 11% of the dozer market after 3 years - going head to head with CAT, Bell, Volvo, Komatsu etc). In terms of reliability - obviously there are no machines with huge hours on the clock, but there are a number with 9000 - 12000 and besides normal repairs and replacements no major down time. Resale values are holding their own - I have clients who are wanting to replace units after 6000 hours and general trend is that the client gets about 60% of initial cost back based on condition. This is not to shabby. Also bear in mind that the heart of the machine is the engine and here Shantui are using genuine Cummins engines which have proven themselves over the years. Also remember that this is a no nonsense no frills machine built for harsh conditions (no computers/frills/plug in diagnostics etc) and shares many parts (under carriage, cylinders etc) with Komatsu which is a sister company. :drinkup
Shantui Dozer - Actual working Pic Hi All - Attached is a small Shantui dozer SD13 (equivalent of a D4) working on highway repairs in Durban, South Africa.
Shantui Dozer - Workin Pic Hi All. Thought you may be interested in seeing a Shantui SD13 (equivalent of D4) working outside Durban South Africa
One thing good about these they haven't gone to the stupid, uncomfortable, rigid track track frame.It would nice if Cat built something similar
the model 13 looks like a very close copy of a D6D. If you have to copy something that would be a good place to start.
I would question that looks more like a Kommie to me. Did the Owner put the extra wear plates on the blade or the supplier?
Looks Like a Komatsu D53 or a D58 to me.
Pretty cool machine. Where by Durban is it? What's it like to operate? What's the comfort like?
i know when im looking for an objective opinion on the suitability of a machine the first one i ask is the person selling it...................
Will they pass EPA and OSHA rules and regulations here in North America?
Will they pass the EPA and OSHA rules and regulations here in North America? I seen a company can not remember the name making machinery.The dozers looked like Cat but had different engine.
We actually purchased one of the Shantui SD22 Dozers (Komatsu D85 equivalent) from Ritchie Bros auction in November 2008. We have nothing but praise for the Shantui Brand. They really are excellent dozers. In fact we loved them so much we bought another three. One SD16 (D65 or Cat D6 equivalent) and two SD16L's (LGP version). We currently have them working in the Jungles of Papua New Guinea.
Here are a few pictures of the Shantui Dozers in action:
And a few more of the swamp type (SD16L)
caterpillar have the same system on some of there dozers you have to spec it when ordering your machine it is not standard , if you extend the cylinders it helps you to cut and if you retract them it helps you to carry the material
there is to much positive feedback on these machines to consider them total junk, mabey they are not up with our more familiar iron, but the chaps who have burnt there deisel on them recon they will do, i would welcome a demonstration
cat 941 does anyone have or know where to get an exploded veiw of the rear sprocket assembly or a cat 941 traxavator!
anyone who has burnt their pension and walked out of a shuttered factory would disagree that the lowest price is all that matters. every dollar is a vote, and to spend a dollar on a chinese knockoff when you know it's chinese and you could have a domestic article for a dollar and change, is a vote for abolition of human rights and environmental legislation, forged safety certifications, slave labour, and all the other atrocities committed in chinese industry that make it possible for them to sell goods at the lowest price. if i owned a landscaping or construction business in these hard times i would not dare associate myself with those business practices which are well-documented to be taking place in China when there are so many other domestically-available options (even european and japanese makes) which do not insult our way of life. Especially when i have to look my neighbors in the eye while i'm behind the wheel, some of whom have been put out of work due to outsourcing... something to think about.
mr obviosly you are from The OUTBACK, open your eyes and look at what is happening to the world, 85% of what you see and feel around you are items from China, and its growing by the month, yeah, certain product from China is cheap and nasty, but thats for their local market, the other product they export are all with in the international standards..... sheeeeepy
mr boss we have over 10 units SD16/SD23/SD32W, very impressed, as long as the spares and back up is there why not, why spend all the extra on Kom Or Cat?? Name Brand?? no thank you
mr boss how can you be a Doosan Fan??
Just to add to this.....this machine is located in a Shantui dealership in Azerbaijan......they're more widespread than people will believe
Martin, Accuss me of being from any place you like. I have been to china, done work there is steel mills they are trying to build and operate and have seen it first hand as well as what they ship here. Somebody else said that the stuff they send here meets out standards and they keep the junk at home. I beg to differ. I have seen and experienced first hand from steel, pipe fittings castings, hydraulic components etc. The list goes on and on. It is substand junk!!!! If a supplier made it like that here and shipped it to the customer it would go back so fast it would make your head spin. When it comes from half way around the world away and can't be returned or the chinese who made it won't give credit for it you are stuck with it pure and simple.
Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?Now that all these new pipelines going in have made in China Pipe. I had a Company tell me they could buy pipe overseas,have it shipped by sea to the port then by truck or rail to the yard cheaper than buying it here.
One time I ate some pickled eggs that had been around a little too long, gave me really bad gas, I was going to discreetly release a little bit and whamm right there in my pants a little "Shantui" appeared. Seriously, why would anyone buy a machine that will cost them more in the long run (parts and service)? These remind me of the junk chinese motorcycles and ATV's. Buy one of them for your kid and watch the disappointment on his face when you can't get it fixed. Only difference between them and these are with these most people that buy them are going to be "trying" to make a living with them. Not a good investment in my opinion (like gambling).
Thing is with economy in the tanks.People will be bidding real low.So to cut cost they will buy cheaper equipment and cut the wages.Some might make it by watching their P & Q's others will go under.I wonder about resale value?
Shantui reliablility. Now that you have had these Shantui Dozers for a while, how has their reliability been? Have you found that the SD16 with Shangchai engine is better or worse than he SD22 with Cummins engine? I am trying to decide whether it is worth going up asize larger than I need just to get a cummins engine. Our jub is near Newcastle in Australia.
Its all very well talking about the chinese getting their act together and coming up to the same standard as the rest of the world but I have a brother who works for Sony-Erickson in silicon valley. He troubleshoots for them around the world- before christmas I was offered work in China, when he heard he was on the phone to me warning me of the pitfalls. The chinese do not want to give their money to foreigners, their business dealings are corrupt-so to make it easy for you guys who are singing the praises of Shantui remember you are by buying their product supporting this ethos. I do not buy anything thats made in China for these reasons, I will not give my hard earned pounds to a people that hate my guts and everybody else in the western world. Neil
Neil, where are you now? It's Brian.
Hi Brian, I went home before xmas, my father passed away on January 13 so had to deal with all that! you remember me telling you about overseas work? that is progressing to the point of a contract being negotiated at the minute. PM me and let me know how you are getting on. Neil
Ok lets set this one streight Shantui is owned by Komatsu (that is why they look the same) Shantui was never set up to be exported outside of the devloping nations they sell tons of the things here in china actaully we run 28 of them and we can normally pick up 3 of them for the price of a komatsu in china and 4 for the price of a CAT and frankly you are 10 times better off doing so in china. now in saying that shantui sold outside of china is a whole nother ball game again. shantui sold in australia a australian guy got off the plane saw the cheap dozers and went well i can make a quick and easy buck on this. well he imported a few of them sold them and disaparted and moved to the phillippines where he remains today . now the 2nd mob brocide that they would not honor any warranty or back up on the other models that where sold. also some other chinese trading companys where counter importing them and making lost of issues there also by telling the buyers that the aussie dealer would cover the warranty. but when it comes down to it at the end of the day komatsu brought shantui so they did not have to open a factory in china building dozers and could get a peace of the pie in the biggest machinery market in the world. cat faild at this terrible with there K models they released in china turned out for every 3 they sold 2 where exported out of china by chinese trading companys. so cat ened that.
Also i would never get the Shanghai desiel engine it is a copy of CAT engines CAT about 8 years ago got them to make some engines and then shanghai desiel just decied to go at it alone and they are crap get the cummins even if it is built in china by defong cummins it is still coved by cummins world wide warranty and the copy cat engines are only 80% interchangeable with the cats dont belive the sales guys been there done that.
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what is this mate? looks highly untrustworthy to me
its chinese SPAM
Please don't respond to spammer posts, then we have to edit the posts instead of removing them.
Sorry mate
No worries JGS. Occasionally the need arises to remind all members not to respond to spam posts, makes it a lot easier for us to clean up the mess they leave. The best thing a member can do if they come across a post with a spam link in it is hit the report post icon below the member name in that post, little triangle with an exclamation point in it. That report post thingy helps us a lot as mods can't view every thread/post on the forum, but it's a good bet some member will be at a thread at any given moment. And if you spot a spam post, hit that report post icon, then all mods get notification. One of us will be along in due course to deal with the spammer.
Well some one has to make you earn your title Atco................................ will start using the triangle as well though...............................................
LoL, it's all good stock, I try to earn my keep around here. Neat thing about the triangle is it makes all members a moderator on the forum.
Shantui bulldozer Hi Neale, i'm Sharon, nice to meet you. One of my customer also want to buy a SD16L bulldozer, he worry about the quality just as you. Do you get enough information to testify the quality good or bad? It'll be my great honour to receive any comments from you.
actually know what you are selling might help your customer stop trying just to sell crap to anyone who would buy it and also maybe read there website and considering you are in china the biggest market place for shantui why dont you ask some locals?
Many thanks, sir. The problem had been solved. That customer came to see the bulldozer by himself, and he thought the quality is very good. So he already bought one set. Thanks, anyway.
Done a few repairs on SD32 and never had trouble with parts ( D155 Komatsu ) Bigest problems are quality of metal, o ring and hoses and quality control at manufacture, too many loose hoses and bolts. They do have a place but I think money beter spent on Komarsu or cat, Also had a bit to do with XCMG TY230 (D85-12 copy) and same problems, For parts there are lots of aftermarket Komatsu parts out there so aftermarket parts for aftermarket dozer, no problem.Also you be suprised where the other manufactures source there parts from, I was working on a near new cat 789 dumper about 6 years ago and ther stamped on the underside of the rocker cover was made in chine