you guys got any ideas on what these guys have done to the motor to get that kind of power. and they say thier cat motors like what model the trucks look to new to be a B model but thats the only cat that i know of u can get to smoke like that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICRro9dEHg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Wa2Q3PckY http://videos.streetfire.net/search/big+truck/0/40d81338-7085-4793-9f23-984500e9c7c9.htm
Can't answer the question but them suckers are crazy fast.13.8 in a quater mile a lot of guys would like for their car to run these #'s:notworthy
I don't think those are Bs the trucks look too new they might be 3406C or E unless they are not the original engines. Even the little 3306B smokes black like that if you honk on it. Crazy french canadians whoops did I say that I'am french canadian but don't speak french :laugh
I don't know how they keep the driveshafts and rears in them when they have the trailer on. The way you get more power from diesels is dump more fuel in them with bigger pumps and injectors. Throw a bigger turbo on to raise boost pressures and you can add more fuel. Those are the basics, there are more technical things to do as well.
bigger fuel pumps...bigger injectors...bigger turbos...bigger intercoolers...bigger exhaust..bigger $$$...notice a trend here? :bouncegri also propane and/or water injection will wake up a big diesel
Yea that would give my 68 Mustang a run for its money.....
I was thinking the same thing,how do those rears not blow apart,and how doesnt it get deshafted.Those trailers must be empty or lightly loaded.They are running WAY overfueled,EGTS must be thru the roof,unless they arecooling with water.I can imagine the torque and HP they must be making with those big motors.I know my little cummins makes 600rwhp,and close to 1200ft lbs at the wheels,and its a baby 5.9.A 14+ liter Cat must make in excess of 4000ft lbs of torque.
Check this one out. Definently not lightly loaded here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDYFq6f-w4
yea i figured bigger turbo, injectors but like who makes that stuff. and the trailers are loaded pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpCe62bjsPg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB62shtJLz0&mode=related&search= pretty cool for a mack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFm6wckbJTE&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfg6cjldXYU on another note only in canada can u watch two loaded trucks drag race on a two lane road with only a small concrete barrier and some caution tape to protect u
Not for nothing, but am I the only one who sees a problem with spectators lining up behind Jersey barriers or pipe fencing??? That's a disaster waiting to happen! That Pete pulling the lumber has a Detroit in it, sounds pretty cool. I still don't understand how the rears or driveshafts stay in them. I hauled gravel for a number of years and it didn't take much to blow a rear with the stock horsepower. These guys are gear jammin' for all they're worth, very stressful to a drive train. I was on the ramp to the GWB one afternoon on the Jersey side and riding next to a sea container truck. That thing must have been super heavy, because when he tried to start on the hill, the left fron wheel came up. he got to do that once, on the first shift the driveshaft got spit out from under the truck.
Those trucks with the plywood and lumber are easily grossing 125-130,000lbs each trailer can carry 20 ton being super Bs. They must be running Super 40s or Rockwell 46s no way regular 40,000lb rear axles can take that. The enviromentalists would have a xxxxx fit if they seen that :yup All that black smoke polluting the air
and one more, its the black western star with the bunks website just i can't read it its in french http://www.ericbouchard04.com/video_site_web/drag_matane_new.mpg
Here's another good site: Big Rigs Pulling
As far as the bigh $$$ goes.... My LTL9000 has a 3406 E @ 475 HP and 4.5 AMPG! It has 46K Rocks and an 8LL in to a 4:33 drive gear! Won't be the first off the highway, but in the city, I'll pull away from most and haul well over legal since my GVW is 34500! Yea double frame and 2 air lifts no dog house in the bed, just a heavy truck!
How is your GVW that of a 6 wheeler?
The hood on a LTL weighs more than most trucks :laugh So many people doubt the old Louisville Fords but they are a tough old truck they can work just as hard as the rest. I bet a 18spd behind the 3406E would make her a little more highway friendly. Many old Fords have died of orange cancer the cab rots off of them so they are scrapped
that seems more like a tare weight not a gross
Sorry Gentlemen............ You guy's are right, I was thinking sideways again, and stated the wrong thing! The 34500 is the TARE, not the GVW! ops :duh BTW: The bed manf. is ALFAB, and its steel, and the floor was redone last year. The shop recommended placing 2 inverted angle iron runs the lenth of the bet capped on each end for hauling demo concrete. Don't interfere with anything else I haul, and keep the concrete from digging into the bed floor! Works great for thick slabs from roads and Interstates! Now all they gota do if figure out how to keep my gate from getting banged up on the bottom edge form the same concrete!
Add, Fuel, air, low compression, maybe drugs like N2O, Propane, and Methanol probably have start those trucks with ether.
Bored and Stroked 3406 B and E (alot of those guys have built to the hilt 3408's) twin turbos, and all the above mention goodies
Big power can and will destroy rears, gear boxes and drive lines if you drive it like a p/u truck. Give a driver big power, and things break. Thats why fleet trucks used to be powered on the low side. Fleets almost never ran KT's V12's or 08's. Just because you make 600hp to your drives doesn't mean that you need to use it all the time. It's there when you need it.....to hold the load in high gear. Not to race from light to light. A sure way to spot a company driver out of a crowd is to find the one who cuts a fast light then locks them up at the next stop light.:notworthy My first Peterbilt was a 78 Long Nose with a 3408DI and a 5x4. It put down 605 at the last Hawthorne Bros. Dyno Days in San Diego. The only high wear items were my drive tires. When you foot the bill, you learn not to break things.
Dont know what motor but sure ar ecool
couple more videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9NmgaRmW_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIK8Nk8zHV8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4xaYHKnFA
Does anyone else remember ole Marone (Malone?), the guy with the drag racing and speed record trucks equipped with 12 & 16V71 Detroit's? The 16V's had four superchargers, eight turbochargers, and he was running gallon buckets for injectors. This was all hooked up to a specially built Allison automatic transmission and a radical rear end. Nice sounding engines, just made your spine quiver to hear them. He claimed a bunch of horsepower and had some trophy's and records to prove it. He did run straight #2 diesel. He also had a dead and well pickled whale in a trailer that he pulled around for the crowd to look at. Firestone and Bridgestone Tire dealers used to have him come in for open houses and a big steak fry. Don't know if he's still around or not. The whale was getting a bit soft and peaked looking, but the beef steaks were good. Years & years ago in college my fuel injection instructor was an old Navy vet and had been a engine mechanic working mostly with Detroit's. He had one injector that came out of a 6-110 that was originally installed in a landing craft. It was huge! He professed that these engines put out 900 horsepower each and were considered a suicide motor. If they got the troops on the beach in a hurry that was all they were asked to do. I remember seeing a guy several years ago that had shoe-horned a Cat D348 into a Kenworth chassis. He hauled steel coils out of Detroit and Toledo and didn't slow down much. Talk about being a coal burner, you had to stay a long ways behind him to clear the smoke. In 1992 I shipped some 651B's out of a job south of Grand Junction, Colorado. One of the trucks that came in had a 3412 stuffed in the frame. It was another smoker, but mainly because the driver wouldn't hardly go over 1500 RPM. Said the outfit busted too many drivelines and axles if he did. Said he was going back to Georgia cause he couldn't afford to run the Rockies. Around 1978 I ran into a guy hauling steel out of Algoma Steel Works at the Soo in Ontario. He had a nice Kenworth with a big V-12 Deutz air-cooled engine in front. He said it was set at 550 HP, and the way he pulled away from my rig out of the truck stop south of Grayling showed it was packing plenty of ponies. I had a Cab-over White with a 350 come-a-long hauling around 200,000 pounds GVW of fresh oak chips. He had a load of steel plate headed to Grand Rapids and I couldn't stay with him. Very nice & clean setup. I've known a lot of guys that knew just enough about Cat's to set the pumps up a bit for more power. Of course, they burned a lot more fuel too. Dealers weren't immune to this practice. In 1988 I lost a D348 in a 777B Cat haul truck on a lock & dam project in western Pennsylvania. It had a lot of hours on it and we needed to get back up fast, so I bought a Beckwith rebuild and stuck it in the hole. Bad thing about it was that engine tested at 990 HP on the dyno in Pittsburg, and the 777B was only rated at 750 or so. As we had one hell of a haul from the river up into an old coal mine waste dump, these 777's really got down and grunted their way to the top, all but one that is. That driver was the happiest Teamster in Pennsylvania for a week or two. His truck purred up that hill like it wasn't even there and he passed everybody in sight. He did find out quickly that he had to back off at shift time a bit as the front wheels tended to come off the ground a couple of feet or three every time that rig down-shifted when he was going up hill. Of course all the other drivers came to me complaining that their trucks had lost power, and they wanted them set up you know. They didn't like that one hauler passing them up. Ole speed-demon didn't help any as he gave everybody he passed the raspberry. But there was a simple solution to the problem and we did it. I had a field guy that was pretty good on engines come down from the Cat house and de-rate that one engine. So instead of ten unhappy Teamsters, we then had only one. In 1980 or 81, Green Construction Company, after a long standing dispute with Caterpillar over the poor durability of the D346, installed a Detroit 12V71 TT in one 651B scraper. Wow, what a machine! It would pass everything in sight, empty. But with a full load in the bowl it couldn't keep up with the Cats. Noisy too, howled like hell going down the haul-road. It didn't do too bad in the cut or fill in the lower gears, but the jump into 8th is a big one in the 51's and that's where it fell down under load. It was a temperamental beast and drove old Smitty, the Equipment Superintendent, crazy. That DD smoked like crazy too, it was set way up. I ran across an old Cat 660 tractor a few years ago in Colorado or Wyoming that the ole 90 degree D346 had blowed up in. The contractor had installed a used 3406 in it set to 450 HP. It wasn't bad and all it pulled was a BeeGee, so it didn't really miss the other 100 HP. If you really wanted to ad some quick power to your Cummins 220, just have the oil seals in the turbocharger let go! Boy o Boy, the smokes pours out and your speed picks up fast. Oh yeah, there ain't no shutting that pup down either! It either runs till it's out of engine oil or blows up. Bad deal either way. This engine happened to be in an all aluminum framed Kenworth, very rare, and the rig was working in the oil patch in northern Michigan hauling drill rig components, drill stem, bags of mud, you name it. Quite often it was out in the sand on a location and these sites were hell on a drivetrain. Anyway, the K-whopper with a load of stem, and me in a Mack hauling casing were tooling down I-75 together when here comes the smoke and he pulls away from me like I'm standing still. Next thing I know he's all over the highway and then his brakes are a smoking bad and the tires are leaving long black trails on the pavement. He finally got it stopped in the middle of the highway and got out of the cab shaking like a leaf in a hurricane. We found out later, after I pulled his rig over to the side of the freeway, what happened. Seems that you can shut the fuel off to those old Cummins, but if you have another fuel source (engine oil) that can't be stopped, then you have a run-a-way engine and a rig out of control. Fortunately, I had just replaced the brakes on that tractor and trailer and set em up tight. That's the only way he got her pulled down. Oh yeah, what was the question here?
Surfer Joe, your stories are some of the best I have ever read/heard, hands down. If you're ever around Winnipeg, Manitoba (or maybe soon Vancouver, BC if I get picked up by Kiewit as promised) up in Canada I've got a case of beer with your name on it.
Witnessing a runaway turbo is a very scary thing - seconds seem like hours when it is happening. The only way to shut it down is to cut off the air supply and you can't always do that. My old international dump truck had the aircleaner under the hood and the intake could easily be blocked with something like a piece of plywood. My current Western Star has dual stainless outside air cleaners and it would be significantly harder to stop the air flow.
When I still ran push pulls, one way I got the mechanics to add some fuel to my sluggish 657B was to run with the retarder cracked open ...just a little bit. . After a day or two of not being able to keep up with my partner, they'd call me into the yard and make the adjustments. I'd never even have to get out of the seat . It's amazing how the load count all of a sudden goes up
Alot of fuel and timing does the trick. I go to the notre-dman-du-nord truck rodeo yearly and it's a blast, http://www.elrodeo.com/home_en.cfm . Truck show n' shine, bob tail drags then loaded drags up a grade. 2 years ago truck only went a few hundred feet then tore the yoke into 2 peices. Some pics I took in 05 http://rides.webshots.com/album/410727064EfferM
bowtie_guy u know what kind of weight the classes are?:beatsme
Classes are devided by horsepower, stock rated power. 0 to 430 h.p. 431 to 459 h.p. 460 to 499 h.p. 500 and more h.p. Trailers are a set of b trains. There are 6 trailers all togeather, they are paired up by matching trailers. For instance 2 trailers will be a match, same brand, this makes for 3 pairs. When one is racing, another is pining, the 3rd will be comming back and drop the trailer off. Makes for some good races not having to wait. When running it's always the same trailer against it's matching trailer. Load is all dry lumber which weights in at approx 40,000lbs including trailer.
thanks bowtie guy:drinkup
i watched a tv show today about hopped up rigs like these. one was powered by Detroit Deisel, the engine was turbo charged and and also had two blowers forcing air into it. ive never heard of running both turbo chargers and blowers at the time. they did not hold the camera still long enough so i could see how it was set up.
I too would like to see how the blower set up worked. It doesn't surprise me though that they would use them. The trick with high horsepower diesels is to keep the exhaust gas temperatures down and one way to do it is with lots of air. The more boost the better in many circumstances. EGTs above 1400 degrees for any length of time melts the pistons (aluminum melts at 1400 deg). I've built tracks for sled pulls and I know that some of those guys would reach 1750+ and hope that it wasn't long enough to damage pistons. I've seen water injection, propane injection etc. but never blowers and turbos.
We have a couple old GMC Generals with 8-92s. They came from the factory with turbos and blowers.
I've heard of guys pullin' the O-rings out of the injectors on older engines!
Welcome to HEF Noose! :drinkup
The older 2 stroke Detroit needed the blower to run. it was mandatory. they flat wouldn't run with out them. The blower's job wasn't to add any horsepower it was to force air into the cylinders to blow the exhaust out the exhaust ports and refill the cylinder with fresh air for a new fuel charge to be injected. Without the blower to force the exhaust out the motors wont run period. You could get a 2 stroke Detroit with turbo chargers or twin turbo chargers. the turbo chargers were considered power adders. TO this day they still label blowers loosely by there original GM 2 stroke diesel applications I.E. 8-71, 12-71, 4-53 The old 2 stroke Detroit would even run backwards with exhaust out the air cleaners and air coming in from the stacks. Some old timers even said they ran better after they ran backwards once. the scariest thing i ever heard in my entire life was a 8V-92 "jimmy" Detroit "running away" Uncontrollably screaming at what we can only figure as 6,000+ RPM until a really big boom followed by some banging then dead silence. NOTHING i have ever been around in my life had quite the screaming howl of that old Detroit. before my time dad had a Detroit Silver 12V92 in a W-900 KW heavy haul that dyno'ed at 725 at the wheels. he affectionately called it "the drive shaft eating B***ch"
If this were truly the case, then it would be impossible for the motor to run backwards. I don't doubt the blower helps the motor run, I've never seen a Detroit without one, but I don't think it will not run at all without it. I got bogged in mud once with a loaded Autocar powered by a 6/71 that I spun backwards. It took a few seconds for me to realize what had just happened and it scared the hell out of me to see smoke pouring out the cowl mounted air box. I pulled the shut down knob, restarted the engine and all was good again. The bad thing about running backward is there is no oil pressure.
I've shared a couple of your situations with the over speed boom and the running backwards they will do it, but not actually run, sort cough and puke and scare the hell outta ya Both times with a gen set 16V92, and a crane carrier with an 8V92
The blower will work in reverse and suck the burnt fuel out. Another cool trick is that you can remove the covers on the side of the block and watch the pistons going up and down in the cylinder bores.
Turn your speakers up nice and loud for this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDYFq6f-w4 pretty awsome!
some new ones:drinkup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDL2gcka_8c this ones short but sounds awsome:thumbsup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVJ70wVOGg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztHvNTOY_GA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEwDgkLmzcg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk37_Mi3TY4
Nice videos Jimmy:thumbsup :thumbsup . Also, it was nice to finally meet you the other day. The Ford was looking good!
did u you get any pics of the other trucks at the show, i only took pics of our trucks,i didn't get to the other trucks before they started leaving. im trying to get them resized so i can post them
I took quite a few pictures. You can see them all here http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q118/sbrem/Berubes%202007/ Some are good and some aren't so good, but I posted them all anyway.
oh man the environmentalist would be having a fit if they saw these videos.lol
water/methanol has anyone had any experiences with a water/methanol injection system. Im looking for people with real results. Looking for MPG gains 1st and power gains 2nd. I have a 2000 Sterling Sleeper Tractor with a 515hp cat 3406E. What about aftermarket air filter like a k&n?
I would in NO WAY use a K&N on a big bore diesel engine. your kind of screwed with what you can do with an under hood air cleaner. Its hard to make them flow any better without sacrificing engine life. Water methanol injection works OK for high performance applications to reduce cylinder temps but the down sides are it increases cylinder pressures. I have seen several sets of crack pistons and blown head gaskets on diesels that were fed to much water meth.
Most of these guys aint running air cleaners when there racing, hell coga aint even got the air cleaner tops on his truck.
And coga's engine goes in and then back out before and after every race. Probably why he keeps a limited events schedule.
man that looks like way to much fuel with not enough turbo to clear it up
cool Mack At those races,there grossing around 140K.Have seen that blue Mack in person,along with it's 500hp Mack "Whispering Giant" power.It is impressive to see in action.Probably one of the toughest competitors in that type of race.It just hauls.Even with all the new technology, something has to be said for just plain brute horsepower and torque controlled by a skilled driver. Not to mention a mechanical fuel pump ...
Here is another video from 2007, check out the frame twist on the left hand truck.... YouTube - rodéo du camions 2007 On a side note, a buddy who works at a Cat dealer in Peoria got a chance to meet the owner of that truck. The truck owner was saying that they have gotten so good at changing clutches in this truck that it is a job that takes less than 2 hours.
only torquing a little bit
At the low spot on the governor housing is a cap cover, remove cover and look inside you will see to screws with lock nuts on them. Remove the bottom one completely and you with convert your 3406B into a blacksmoking fire breathing monster.
I have a C15 Cat 475 actually pushing 470 hp to the wheels on the dyno ,pretty fast truck ,it came with 13 speed road ranger and 4.56 rears ,too low gears for what I do so I swapped to 3.70 to lower the RPM ,happy with that now . But if you want to add any power to your stock motor , a friend has the same set up as on my truck and went with the Pittsburgh Power box and turbo , and got to tell you that thing is crazy , the increase on power is ridiculous , but he wasn't satisfied since there are a few other trucks like that ,so he went and bought a set of C18 injectors , now the only application that I have seen the C18 Cat is in marine, they pump 1150 hp out of those engines ,so my friend's truck is now the king of the road hands down around here ,he raced another trucker driving his Chevy duramax with chip ,starting at 50 mph and the Chevy couldn't get away from him , I have driven this truck is a W900 KW , and it is really fast . So there you go either the Pittsburgh Power Box + turbo ,or C18 injectors + turbo , you will feel doubled the hp . We haven't put this truck on the dyno yet, but my guess is around 800 hp.