looking at buying a case 580 backhoe as a 110 john deer, which is about the size I want are hard to come by. So when looking at the 580 used case hoes are there any models that stand out that are better, that are easier to repair, that seem to be less trouble free. when looking at the no# of hrs.' on a machine (yes less is better ) but how many hrs.' would you get before having to rebuild engine I know I want 4x4, this machine would be fore working in the bush making trails and generally cleaning up the property also are these machines good and steady as the terrain is rough any suggestions would be great
The 580 is twice the machine the 110 is. 4x4 is a must. If you're looking for smaller (like the 110) you might want to check out the Kubota L48.
In the case line I would not buy a straight 580/580B only built as 2wd machine, the 580C was only built as a 2wd machine and the first component machine, 580D was built both 2wd and 4wd which are a rare find now, the 580E later s/n have the wet brakes, and also start the cummins engines in the case backhoe line, 580K and many more newer backhoes. The 480 size case is still bigger than the 110 Deere and you would need to get to a 480E series for 4wd and the cummins engine. All machines have there issues, hours can be looked at in several ways depending on the operator, servicing, and type of work it has been used for. I have seen low hour machines that are junk do to the way it was taken care of, and high hour machines that don't even seem worn at all, there is a big curve when looking to buy used equipment. It is always best to take a (dealer tech) or (wrench) when possible to look the machine over that your planning to purchase, run some numbers on needs and repair costs because you may want to go to a newer machine. There is still a lot of iron on the market for sale. I would be careful of in pulse buying, yes there are deals that can't wait, but most of the time you have time to give some hard thought to it. 4Wd machines you need to look for wear in the steering knuckles, u joints, lube levels, leaks in the wheel areas along with the tube housing, make sure it works, along with wear on the yoke spline going into the front diff. The machines are steady for most ground conditions, can't help what a operator would do but I feel good on most machines as long as the brakes work when needed and the trans don't slip when your in a jam.
I had a 310 John Deere , a 580 b Case no cab , a 580 c Case and a 580 se Case .The 580 SE was far better than the rest .It was built for the operator in mind as well had a Cummins motor of which was bullet proof . I sold my Super E with 10000 hrs on it and still ran like a top .BUT you could see were the dollars were going to go in maintenance .Bushings , hoses , leaking cylinders etc etc . I was more concerned about the Transaxcel and torque converter .My machine was in good condition but is also 28 years old . I would look for much newer for resale if you had to unload it for any reason , and repairs would be minimum .Providing it came from a good home .
Why not a mini EX?
thanks guys good stuff As far as a used Kubota there hard to find I do not mind the idea of a 580 case just it seems to be a bigger foot print than I want yes not going to buy on impulse was thinking of around $25000 Living in Oshawa Ont Canada does any one know of a good used backhoe
Your price range would put you into a nice mid nineties machine out here but there are lots of hoes out your way, so the selection should be good and prices probably better than here. Good luck! Don't shy away from the 580 for sizing, it is not too big a machine.
When it comes to the 580 case backhoe how hard are they on fuel
I spent years looking at used backhoe's. I've been to 4 Richie Brothers auctions, driven all over eastern Ontario (I'm in Ottawa) looking at used backhoe's, at private sellers and dealers. I've looked at everything from Kubota B21, L48, JD 110, many Case 580L, 580M, 580SM etc... Here are my tips: - Bring coveralls and get under the machine. Even if you don't know what you are looking at. Look for leaking lines, leaking valve stacks, rusted lines, do the filters you can see look like they have been changed recently? Take pictures. Post them here. - Have the seller operate the hoe and loader to look for pin/bushing wear. For the hoe have the seller swing the bucket out directly behind the machine and push it on the ground, so it will tend to lift the back of the machine off the ground. Now with the machine at IDLE slowly push to lift the machine. Look for movement in the main bushings. Here is an example video I made showing the movement in a backhoe I was looking at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgDjTLkwHFo Do the same with the loader, have the seller move the loader so it will want to lift the machine. Do this at IDLE and slowly. Do it a few times looking for movement at the pins. Any used machine is probably going to have some movement. Stay away from anything with excessive movement. - At IDLE the machine should have enough power to lift itself off the ground with the hoe/loader/stabilizers. Having to increase the RPM probably means the main hydraulic pump is weak. - Rust. Most machines will have been used for snow removal. Pull the cab rubber mat back and look for holes in the floor. Bottom of the doors. Look underneath and see how rusty things are. You are buying a used machine, eventually you are going to need to fix it. After looking at a few you'll be able to spot one that hasn't been used for snow. They are rare but probably worth a premium. - Brakes - Make sure they work well. A brake job is a major undertaking for most "wet" type brakes found in backhoes. - Engine - Check for blow by. With the engine running remove the oil fill cap and look for smoke. Get on youtube and search for videos that show bad diesel engines with blow by. Pull the dip stick and smell the oil, you are looking for any signs of antifreeze in the oil (blown head gasket). - Transmission - If possible try to drive the machine into a pile of gravel/soil etc to try to get a feel for any slipping, weakness etc. Run it in all gears. - My personal preference is to stay away from dealers. Whether they represent a known brand or not. You are buying an old machine and they come with no warranties. Most non branded dealers buy their machines at auction, no nothing of the history, and slap on $10k or $15k more than they paid for it at auction. Recently this machine: Sold at auction for $30k, next day it was on Kijiji for $45k for sale by a dealer. What are your trails like in the bush? 580 are fairly big for that type of work. Have you looked at JCB 210S or 212S? These machines are sort of in between a JD 110 and a Case 580. But they have full cab (great for winter). All wheel steer with side shift backhoe that folds up behind the machine, so it is very manoeuvrable. I ended up getting a 212s for this reason. There is an older 210s on Kijiji right now for $15k: http://www.kijiji.ca/v-farming-equipment/kingston-on/jcb-210s-backhoe/602033696 and a newer 212S for $29k (ad says 212A but it is a 212S) http://www.kijiji.ca/v-heavy-equipm...backhoe-loader-4x4-forks-quick-conn/601749522 Good luck.
Yes thanks Greg I will look the JCB never relay considered that bran. do no= t see many around here . 99% case it seams and your right the case 580 is b= igger then I want to get What about buying parts and standing up . I always thought the JBC were a c= heap backhoe that don't stand up like the case so a used one would be reall= y worn out and need a lot of work
First go with what ever brand you are most comfortable with. I'll agree that Case has a great dealer network in Ontario and is probably the most popular backhoe around here. The advantages of the JCB are it's size and manoeuvrability. They also all come with aux hydraulics to both the front and back of the machine. The 212s lift and dig are about 2/3 of what a Case 580SL will do, and double what a JD 110 will do. Since you mentioned the JD 110 I figured I would mention them. Parts from the dealer are expensive, but most other brands are expensive as well. There are third party parts suppliers which are cheaper. Any $25k backhoe is going to have it's share of worn and broken items regardless of brand. All major brand name backhoe's share pretty much similar design and will come down to how well it was maintained and operated.
If your building trails and doing light land clearing work the Kubota machines like the L45/48 and the M59 are pretty decent machines but they don't come with a factory cab or extendahoe but they do have a detachable backhoe so you can put a three point hitch on instead. My buddy bought a second hand Kubota L2800 that came with a loader and the backhoe attachment, he also bought a finishing mower, and a box blade for it. He's talking about building or buying a brush rake with a clamp for it since the loader has a skid-steer style quick attach on it. The bigger backhoes like the 580 are decent machines but if you don't need that much machine those smaller sized Kubota's are definitely worth looking at I've also heard the Kioti machines are pretty good too.