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Cat 416

banana lips ยท 2014-09-01 09:13

I've been looking into buying a Cat 416C backhoe, and I have noticed that some of the units have two hydraulic cylinders to power the front bucket, but most of the units have the one cylinder in the middle to power the front bucket. Is there an advantage one over the other? Thanks!

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  1. #1PDG X2014-09-01 10:32

    Those with 2 cylinders also have a hydraulic tool coupler and are referred to as Integrated Tool (IT) Carriers. They allow for swapping tools - forks, various bucket types, and some specialty tools. Those with single cylinders in the center are refered to as ST machines ( single tilt). The coupler is controlled from inside the cab, except for flipping a valve to change the hydraulic flow from the coupler pins to the tool when hitching. If you have no need or intention to have multiple tools, the ST machine will do you well. I have GP buckets, MP bucket, forks, and a grapple bucket, so the IT was the way to go. The IT setup also give you parallel raise and lower for fork use, as well as a bit better breakout force. They are more expensive though. The IT - I believe starting with the C Series - has one pilot hydraulic controller, where the ST has a mechanical loader controller. The hydraulic controllers are much more user friendly. The ST's also have the large 'coat hanger' rod to control the bucket kickout, and the IT uses an electronic sensor to control it.

  2. #2banana lips2014-09-01 22:38

    Thanks for the great comparison you made. Could you please explain what you mean by breakout force.

  3. #3ttazzman2014-09-01 23:29

    a example of breakout force is.....if you hooked your bucket under a big rock how much force can it exert to get the rock out...

  4. #4banana lips2014-09-01 23:41

    Thanks alot for that!!