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Were the above photo's were taken on the east coast???
Some of these pictures are from the Dryden / Kenora Ontario area , some maybe from Quebec . But Gordon did projects with FERIC from coast to coast .
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One logging company tried a flail one summer in the 80's did not work out to hard on the logs damaged the logs and more waste, also on rocky ground no could be near the flail.
Picture of that American reminds me of being sent out one day with the 966 to bring a new log snorkel out to one of the loaders. I choked it and towed it up the road to the second side that had broke one. Going thru the first landing ,the 66 bogs down ,i look behind me and the the operator on the other American has the snorkel im towing in his grapple . I need a new one too he says on the radio.loggers taking advantage of every oportunity.
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I think some of these pictures are very early Faller/Bunchers and Processers and the change from Cable and Chokers to Grapples on Skidders .
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Thank you , stay tuned there are lots more to come .
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Man there were a lot of interesting logging changes in the last 40 or 50 years.
The pictures I have been Posting are from a folder of loose pictures . I now have a Photo album with some pictures , There are also pages of typed notes , Gordon was very knowledgeable about Equipment use , cost , performance and production . The album at one time had write ups on various types of Forestry Equipment use in the industry . Unfortunately a lot of the pictures have been removed . I have scanned some of the typed reports that have the corresponding pictures to give you an idea of what Gordon's career was about .
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Thanks for the great read with the pictures.
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Not too sure if the quote will work or not but I am curious about the tree shear.we have a couple at the local museum, were these shop made or a product offering? Any idea where the photo was taken? am wondering if it is one of ours at the museum....
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Most of these pictures were taken in Manitoba , Ontario and Quebec . While we were still logging in the "Berry Patches" on the West Coast of B.C. , Eastern lumber jacks were trying to make a living harvesting the smaller size timber stands of Eastern Canada . Mechanized timber harvesting started as early or earlier than the 1950's back East . The tree shear was the first method of cutting down a tree with an early faller / buncher . The bar / chain cut off saw on faller/bunchers and processors came much later . I can remember a "Cat" showing up at BCFP Renfrew Division with a tree shear mounted on the front , to fall some smaller timber in the 1970's . I think it came from the Interior , It didn't work out and didn't stay long . Some may have been "home built" but I think most in these pictures were manufactured .
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Gordon Franklin Collection The next pictures are from Heppner , Oregon , Where a "Delimber" is being Assessed for its future potential .
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This is the most interesting thread, lots of neat designs that led to current machines.
Gordon Franklin Collection In 1986 Gordon was involved with a project of "FERIC". The loss of logs from forestry logging trucks and trailers on private roads and public highways was becoming a problem . Loose logs were (8 foot pulp logs) poping out of loaded trucks and trailers , creating a hazard on the road ways . If you have ever hauled logs , you would be aware of logs settling and "wrappers" small cable's that secure the logs , even though tight when applied at loading site , become loose as a truck travels down a road . Gordons task was to figure out a way to remove the "slack" from the cable and keep the "wrappers" tight , and keep the logs secure on the load . The following pictures are related to that project .
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Any notes about how that chipper worked out?
Sorry , I have been through the "Binders" with notes . I am now going through envelopes with pictures .
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Too bad a guy can’t get a truck to haul loads like this anymore.
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I met the fellow that built this Pacific and later his grandson coincidentally a few months later. The truck was built in Mackenzie BC and tested a few times on the West side of the Williston Reservoir during the winter log haul. Once they were satisfied it was containerized and ship to the family's inlaws in NZ who put it to good use. The grandson will be digging into the family archives looking for the photo album of the build and testing, if he finds it I will post the contents on the Pacific website. I have heard from the family that the truck is destined for a museum but I am not sure what museum or where that all sits...
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Looks like the boys were a bit hard on paint on the Paystar
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I have been scanning pictures up until now , but I'm starting to scan slides now . I have been trying to post the pictures in some kind of order , but from here its what ever I scan is what will be posted .
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Welcome back Camptramp
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Bit of rubber under that skidder.
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My prior post about this truck was a bit incorrect. It was built by relations of the NZ owners in Vernon, BC. Its shakedown run was when the truck and trailer were driven from Vernon to the Vancouver area to be loaded on a ship for the trip around the world. There were a few minor issues along the way to Vancouver but these were corrected on the side of the road.
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in post365 and first two photos in 366 look like it taken at the Peachland sore yard
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Our friend Camptramp (Al) is having a poor spell and is in Hospital , Our thoughts and Prayers go out to Al and Family. He will return better than ever. Hank R
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Wishing Al a speedy recovery. Positive thoughts going out to him.
Gordon Franklin Collection Thanks for the good wishes Fellows . I'm home and on the mend , but its going to take awhile .
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Those chippers must use a tanker of fuel every week???
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Gordon Franklin worked in the Forest Industry of Eastern Canada , it appears part of his job was to evaluate various Equipment's Performance and Cost Effectiveness . After he left the private sector , He was employed by the Federal Government's FERIC Department . One of his Projects was part of a team to study a problem of loaded logging trucks losing logs off their loads in Eastern Canada . He also designed a system to secure the logs on the trucks and for slack to be taken out of the cables securing the load, as the logs in the loads settled while in transport . Some of these pictures are some of the various methods that were tried while a solution was developed .
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Love the short log cross load. We dabbled with that doing firewood.
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Hello CT, how are you? The last two photos with the outriggers and people looking out of cherry picker basket; is that a test set up of some kind? Warm regards, JS
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I'm doing good JS , this growing "old" part of life is not for wimps . I had a couple of bumps in the road of life last year , but I'm getting the garden ready for another crop . I'm still on the Green side of the lawn and there are two summers and one winter ahead of us ! These pictures belonged to my cousin Gordon Franklin who's Forestry Career was in Eastern Canada . A lot of them were taken while he was doing studies on cost and efficiency in the private forestry Industry . Then doing studies on load security and weight distribution for trucks on public highways for FERIC a branch of the Canadian Government 's Federal Forestry Department . Cheers CT
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What’s the deal with everyone looking at that one log 8” over?
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Gordon Franklin was part of a team that was assigned the task of finding a way to secure 8 foot pulp logs on loads while in transport . These pictures were taken when that study was being done . When logs are loaded on a truck and trailer either long logs length wise or short logs cross ways , the more pieces in the load , the more the load "settles" in transport . Cables restraining the load become slack and logs may move especially in Winter from frost and ice or in the Spring when the "Sap" is running and the bark is lose on logs . I suspect the log in question is one that move while the truck was traveling . I have included a couple of sketches from the study .
Thank you very much for the explanation, explains a lot. Another question, the 2 big rollers (culverts?) on lift tables, to align logs, are they filled culverts being repurposed or what, love the design?
Good question , as I lived and worked on the West Coast of B.C. and Gordon Franklin lived and worked in Eastern Canada , I didn't have much contact with him until he was retired . So I have never seen the equipment up close in these pictures . The one thing that really stands out is the development of the equipment used to harvest the smaller sized trees in eastern Canada . After most of the larger "Old Growth" forest on the B.C. coast were logged and the stands of "New Growth " were beginning to be harvested , similar , though of a larger size equipment began to be used on the West Coast . The drums or rollers set up to "square " the loads of pulp wood were probably set up along main haul roads before the trucker entered the public road system . The roller appears to be able move on a pivot point . Which would allow the cab and mirrors of truck to pass through before swinging back into position to squeeze the pulp wood to a legal width . I would think there would be some sort of "Ballast" in it to work .
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Starting to see the issues there.
Gordon Franklin Collection At one time I had a copy of the final report , but it has been misplaced . A solution to the problem of pulp wood sticking out or falling off loads using a system of cables and air boosters to take slack out of cables as the load of pulp wood settled while in transport . It would have been nice to have posted these pictures in order , but there are over 3000 slides and they came to me totally mixed up .
Thanks for the explanation again, now some of the earlier photos make sense. I can’t imagine what work went on, to try and keep load locked into place but now most of the pictures make sense. Was there ever a conclusion to the rigging, other than an air cylinder to keep cabl3 pressure on.
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Great collection, does anyone know the logo thats on the side of the B-train trucks? Too hard to make out from the photos? Gordon Franklins notes said its in Camp 75 Red Rock (near Thunder Bay, Ontario)