We at Norfolk Heavy Equipment in Ontario Canada help out as many people here as we possibly can. So we would like to ask anyone who can to make some sort of donation to Help Japan after Fridays Tsunami. Wherever you are ther are banks, phone companies, Red cross or someone taking donations, any help appreciated. Thanks for your time
This is a very good cause. Please be careful when donating. Not everyone accepting donations has charitable intentions. Do some quick research on how the donations were distributed for Haiti. Avoid any ''charity'' with a poor performance record. If the money won´t get to where it´s needed, it´s a useless gesture. That said, these people need help.
yes that is true but I think Red Cross, utility ompanies or your local bank is a safe bet
Banks and utility companies are not to be trusted IMO. Just some stats on how the Haiti relief money has been spent: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/HaitiEarth...thquake-victims-spent/story?id=9786221&page=2 Be generous, but be cautious where you send your money.
I think that is very prudent advice. Unfortunately there are a lot of crooks in this world that love to take advantage of a crisis...:cool2
My heart goes out to the devastated people and nation of Japan. Since the end of WWII, they have been an unwaivering ally of the U.S. I have a supplier in the Osaka Prefecture area that I purchase undercarriage parts for crawler dumpers. Osaka was not directly affected by the Tsunami, but devastation of that sort can hardly go unfelt. I have sent a well wishing email to my supplier, and it's my hope that Japan recovers quickly from this disaster.
Yes in this day and age the world pulls together to help one another, It is good that people here care.And as ATCO says they deal with people over there so even though you never meet them you still know them. And I know some of the money gets misappropriated ( why someone would steal that I don't know ) so you have to do some research before donating. Construction people are good people and generally make good money because they work hard. So that makes us trustworthy but do not be fooled and check out the organization if you plan to donate. Donations could possibly be tax deductable but that could depend on where you live. REMEMBER NATURE COULD STRIKE ANY ONE OF US
I've been keeping a close eye on developments over there, and between the quake, the tsunami, and now the possibility of nuclear meldowns, it's a pretty horrendous situation. Anybody that is just shrugging this off should watch some of the video of that wave sweeping across the countryside and try to imagine themselves there. That having been said, yeah, these thing always draw the scum of the earth out to try and scam you out of your money, so be sure that if you give, it's going to actually go to help those who are so badly in need.
Found this site, mouse from right to left on the pics and get before and after views. http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
What a terrible tragedy.
Thats pretty amazing. I cant imagine what those people are going through....nowhere to run from an earthquake, unless your in the air.
Thanks DPete that is really amazing link
If the pics in DPete's link don't bring home the full horror of this event, this video will: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3K1w7u04Zo
That's horrible. Praying for them now.
Japan: A few more pictures, here: http://wildfiretoday.com/2011/03/12/fighting-the-fires-in-japan-after-the-earthquake-and-tsunami/ OCR
First an earthquake, then a tsunami, now a volcano. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...dake_volcano_begins_spewing_ash_boulders.html
Well next yer is 2012 so this must be the beginning of the end.
I live in an area that has not experienced a natural disaster in my lifetime. I can't imagine the terror and devastation that earthquake caused. My heart goes out to those people! Here is a before and after link of areas in Japan that were hard hit. http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm
For those who didn't catch the agenda last night, Duncan Hawthorne (pres Bruce Power ) was on to explain the Japanese reactor situation. As it happened, the earthquake triggered shutdown on all units, either because of the quake itself or because it was disconnected from the electrical grid. For the first hour(until the flood) everything was fine, and all the units shut down properly, the subsequent core cooling operated perfectly. Then the water came and washed away the diesel fuel supply for the generators that were running the whole plant. That was the first real issue. Getting that cooling going is imperative. Without it, the water flooding the core boils off into steam and creates a pressure buildup inside the primary containment vessel. Systems exist to vent that steam into a secondary containment vessel(surrounding the primary vessel. One is inside the other) With the cooling pumps down and water replenishment unavailable, the water boils away dropping the level till some fuel bundles are exposed above the water. This allows hydrogen to be created. It is vented to secondary containment with the excess steam. Hydrogen is lighter than air so it collects at the top of the secondary containment. Hydrogen buildup here is a foreseen issue, and the systems to deal with it are in place to burn it off in a controlled manner. However, those control systems operate on electricity. So the hydrogen builds up until a little spark comes along and you get the big explosions you are seeing on tv. Secondary containment is blown sky high. However, the primary containment is still intact, and holding the really nasty elements. All this venting puts small amounts of radioactive steam into the atmosphere. But its not like the core exploded, nor will it, nor can it. So right now the issue is keeping cooling water moving through the primary vessel. They have decided that since the units are no longer salvageable, sea water is a good solution. Not sure how they got that flowing, maybe temporary pumps or something. But anyway, Unit 1 is pretty much on its way to being safe, unit 3 temp is coming down, with unit 2 being the most critical right now. Unit 2 will recover in the same way the other have, it just takes time. Duncan's bigger concern is that since the backup systems have been destroyed, the rescue of the units is dependent on the actions of the people. Its all back to basics with people doing extraordinary things to keep things working. Most of those people have lost all family, all possessions. They are locked inside the reactor site, and have no idea what has happened to everything they care about. Their ability to maintain the effort is the biggest issue of all.
Watglen: from everything that I've been reading and watching in the news the reactors are NOT getting better infact possibly much worse. IWAKI, Japan – Japan's top government spokesman says a partial meltdown is likely under way at second reactor affected by Friday's massive earthquake and there is risk of another explosion at the plant. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could occur at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex. I also heard this morning that there have been 4 explosions not 3?? One story that I watch sunday showed a lady that was holding her daughter when the tsunami hit. The water was strong enough that it yanked her daughter away from her, she has not seen her since{very horrible}
There is no doubt that several of the units are in meltdown condition. That is to say, the core internal temp is at or above the melting point of the fuel. Thats a given. The reactors are scrap. Thats a given. But the assertion that "meltdown" is inherently dangerous to human health is questionable. It may not be, and in this case, is likely not. The hydrogen explosions will continue until they can get a continuous and reliable supply of cooling water. Again, those explosions are not causing new deaths, their cause is well understood and fairly predictable. As of last night, a grand total of 3 people had confirmed doses of radiation that are cause for concern. Not really that big a deal, considering the scale of loss elsewhere along the coast. No one had yet received anything near a lethal dose, or a dose that would cause radiation sickness. The key element here is that primary containment had not been breached in any of the at risk units(as of last night) and that means that the release of radiation has been minute so far. The fact that the plants sustained a mag 9 earthquake and survived is a testament to how well designed they were. Japan has really done an excellent job of quake preparation since the '95 Kobe quake.
I'll open by saying that I don't know a whole lot about neclear reactors, (but I'm learning more every day.) Just to provide another perspective to the question, and in particlur the quote above, read this story about how the reactor design was questioned, even back in the 70s. Like I said, I don't know a whole lot about them, but I've been around long enough not to take the word of nuclear industry people, or government officials, as gospel truth, particularly when knowing how bad something truly is could panic everybody. Let's just say I'm paying closer attention to this story than I do most news.
Interesting digger, I read the article. It brings me to something that Mr. Hawthorne said responding the question "can the same thing happen here?" He said there is a big difference between the boiling water reactor (GE design) and the not boiling water design (CANDU and others) As he put it, GE uses a lot of fuel and a little cooling water, others use lots of cooling water and a little bit of fuel. Without saying so, he implied that the GE design might push the limits more than others. However, he also said that if the same quake happened in Canada or the US, there would certainly be catastrophic failure, because the installations are simply not built to take something of that size. The Japanese installations are built to much higher seismic standards than anything in North America. As you say, i'm no expert though i have been in a CANDU reactor mock up. Obviously, we all hope that there is no catastrophic release of radiation here, and they get it under control.
People need to quit listening to the news about this. To put this in perspective to today nuclear plants. This plant was due for decommissioning 10 years ago at least but has gotten extensions to this year and one of the units was on its last cycle and to be decommission in about 2 weeks. Best explanation I've seen yet, not my words, posted from another site:
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No, cause China's sorta over to the left, not down. Where does a Japanese reactor go when it melts down? (I know. Bad joke. Shame on me.)
Funny how I heard US military has to negotiate with Japan to start to help them.
Also shocked the Japanese debt it 200% of GDP where US is bit less that half that.
Great article Dozerboy!
Like some of my friends, The news media never lets the facts get in the way of a good story!!
That's very horrible. Praying for the people suffering from the earthquake
This whole thing has given me new respect for the people of Japan........ Its people have not turned into the animals that citizens of New Orleans did. I saw a news clip showing them carving eating utensiles from bamboo........ In New Orleans they looted big screen TVs. We could all learn from how these people are conducting themselves.
I'm just not seeing any good news about this thing... :cool2
You are so right motrack
LMFAO l love these posts, i cannot wait to hear the excuses Jan 1st 2013
Unfortunalty there are a great many POW veterans whom remember Japanese conduct themselves Perhaps you should speak to allied POWs before you "bleed" to hard.
The war ended 60 years ago........... get over it and move on. We had to rescue Canada and England but I dont carry a grudge about that.
Anyone who belives this 2012 thing will prove it by stopping work and just going on vacaion after vacation aftar vacation about september of this year and spending everything they have worked hard for. If a guy will tell you it is all over in 2012 and he won't do that then he doesn't believe himself
Theres nothing wrong with donating but just remember that no one would ever help the USA in a situation like this nor should we expect them to. We are the most generous country by far and still receive all the bad mouthing for any little conflict. As an extremly proud ex US MARINE and self proclaimed PATRIOT i have seen and heard it first hand.
Japan give aid to the US when New Orleans was under water........ One Japanase business man gave one million US dollars out of his own pocket. Do your homework before making a statement that no one would ever help the US.
Yair...WV earth mover. I have been accused of being "borderline offensive" to Americans on these pages...and I have to tell you that as a PROUD and PATRIOTIC Aussie. comments such as yours in (post 39) get right up my nose! Why the hell would you NOT expect other countries to assist the U.S. if you guys have a disaster or whatall? You need to get over yourself and look at the big picture...as far as I recall Australians have always assisted the American cause any time that they were asked.
We should not make comments like the above when we were assisted in New Orleans, and Australia has always been an alli to the U S and a good one at that, sure there are countries that the U S helps that will not help the U S in return, but when you post comments like #39 you are generalizing everyone, and that is not the case.
Maybe post 39 was alittle harsh to some mainly due to whats going on right now but all i was trying to say is that all we do is give aid and people we help end up better off than they were befor whatever happened happens and all the US gets is the more debt .I dont excpect all of you who agree to make a reply stating that we will let me take the fall im new here and theres no use for you to lose any standing with fellow HEF,ers so keep quiet its just whats talked about in most diners and equipment shops around the country for years every sence we started trying buy friends a hundred years ago but its not working doesnt matter if its war or peace keeping mission or nat disaster recovery we are still not appriciated but are scorned and gladstone queensland i didnt say the US shouldnt EXCEPT help i said we shouldnt EXPECT it theres is a big diff . Im not a cold hearted a hole as you might think in fact i had already donated befor post 39 to red cross for for the purpose of japan probably more than those who spend there time telling others to give but a self employed ex US MARINE who started with nothing and worked to have something gets tired of never seeing any return for all the money spent other than peace of mind mabey im wrong mabey iraq will suddenlly give us a couple years of oil , mabey japan will one day call and say we want stock your govt vehicle fleet with new cars and trucks and fill your biuldings with new computers and tv,s just as gesture of good faith i doubt it but mabey .Wouldnt it be nice to get as little as a 1$ back for every 10$ spend when these places get back on there feet instead bad mouthing about why we didnt do more .Enough of that mabey we can use this little scuffle to help and say to donate befor replying we will just use the honesty method . If you ever go to japan youll find the US isnt well liked and even i still gave something .(IF YOU FORGIVE AND FORGET TO MUCH YOU WILL GET BURNT AGAIN)
To WV earth mover, To your last posting all I can say is "WOW". Your the first person I ever saw nail themselves to the cross......... feel free to climb down anytime cause Japan can make better use of the wood.
Yair...the situation in Japan is still pretty grim as regards the damaged nuclear plants. Is the on going drama getting coverage in the American MSM and has the disaster had any influence as to how US folks on this board feel about nuclear generation? Just asking, thats all, no agenda. Thanks.
I think the nuclear disaster is overshadowing the tsunami tragedy. The poor people in japan will overcome this, its just a matter of how long it take. look at this new video and see how calm the people are but look at how their town it annihilated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTr7Ibi9X_0 As for the US, we have not built a nuclear power station since the TMI disaster, 31 years ago tomorrow.
Right on, Mo Maybe they don't have the welfare state to teach them not to be self-reliant.
An ex-marine Huh? That sounds a little fishy. I will say I don't think we should give them a dime. We don't have the $$$, but I'm all for sending aid like our Navy ETC. Hasn't changed my opinion of nuclear power and the only peoples mind it will change are ignorant. I think a nuclear powered steam engine in a truck would be bad ***.
Ha Ha Dozerboy maybe the last 13 years of civy life has made me soft
The ignorant people are the ones that have to be convinced. ointhead They are the people that move into the country and then start complaining about whatever piece of vital infrastructure is near them. Its not ok for a coal plant outside of town or for the state to make some money by leasing ground for a wind farm, or god forbid we build the first new oil refinery in almost 40 years, etc.
I guess anyone who is against nuclear now would have to be against oil because of bp's screw up and be against coal because of things like the sago mine incident you might have quit driving because of 20 car pile up on the interstate . All we can do is learn from it and move on.
One month later and they are still having aftershocks Those poor people, I'm sure they want to find all the victims, clean up and move on but with constant aftershock and the nuclear problem they have along way to go. Here is a new video. it show people running for their lives. I hope they all made it but i don't think they did. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9e_1302492014
Thanks for posting that video, Lee, I have seen some of the others, it is just unbelievable, watching that water take everything in it's path. RnR.