liebherr, tiny, the rest of you professionals, please comment. YouTube - crane? boom truck?
Bwah ha ha ha ha ha! Very nice one Q. :lmao :duh :falldownlaugh
Sorry its a boom truck.
Good one Mr Q:lmao It's a boom truck
Why is it a boom truck? From a technical aspect qball ,it's a crane all the way in my opinion.It has a separate operators station,nice outriggers and so on.What it does have that a crane doesn't is a license plate.That makes it a boom truck and it had a Truck Driver operating it.Most midwestern states don't recognize cranes as a motor vehicle.Therefore no tags needed.The video you posted was a boom truck.Hope this helps Q.
In this state it is a crane mounted on a track. Classified the same as a line crane on a carrier. I must have a license for the truck and the operator of the crane must carry paper as a operator. I'm thinking the distinction is the cab turns with the boom. Good Question
crane/truck or truck/crane depending..... are you? :cool2 :naughty:lmao:waving:drinkup
http://www.gatwoodcrane.com/truck_cranes.htm Looks like a Boom Truck Crane (BTC)
Here's the NCCCO's take on it(unofficially, of course): It has a 'swing' cab so it is rated as a Large Hydraulic Crane. Boom Trucks are rated as a Small Hydraulic Crane because their controls are stationary. But, If you go to National Crane's web site, they classify them as a boom truck. National has em up to 50T. I've seen guys that are AWFUL proud of their 35T All terrain truck crane(Grove), that doesn't even have the same capacity. You say po ta to.....I say po tat O....I just know that in 150, if it has a rating of 18,000lbs at 20 feet, you need an oiler......LOL
I call'em spuds
Now your talking about barge cranes.
Ok Q , We call it a boom truck Company has two of these that are 40 ton.Manned by operators Because it has a seat and operators lost the ability to stand very long without fainting years ago. :lmao:lmao:lmao Company has a bunch of boom trucks and when they get to the 27 ton truck and the jib go's out They put an operator on it.I have used the 27 ton with all the jib and its a freaking fly rod............. 150 feet of fly rod.
Its a boom truck .. argue,fight, scratch ,anybody that has spent any time on truck mounts ,AT,RT,conventional crawler ,hydraulic crawler will tell ya ..it's a wiggly wobbly fly rod boom truck. You know ..true story An ol' hard core operator I had worked with a few times is convinced that there's no way to train a boom truck operator to run a crane ,cant show'em anything..cant teach'em anything,waste of time..cant be done. I was leaving this out ..cuz well..it hasnt been scientifically proven..but He maybe onto something..:ban:beatsme:drinkup ointhead
i gotta quit posting while drunk. kidding, of course.
Q, if ya posted straight...we probably wouldn't bother reading.
:drinkupOk, here's my opinion on this matter: Half of my friends on here call it a boom truck. The other half of my friends call it a crane. The boom truck guys on this forum are great guys. The crane guys on this forum are also great guys. The boom truck guys have a right to call it a crane. The crane guys have a right to call it a boom truck. By Gawd, on this issue I'm sticking with my friends.
LOL:drinkup Sometimes I think the boom truck guys get offended .. Ive said it before Boom trucking is one of the sweetest gigs in crane rental ..5 minutes to set up ,5 minutes to tear down ..and a guy is rolling home.. I know boom truck operators that earn as much as the guy running the 300t annually..and not worked to death doing it with weekends usally off..I know because I was on a 28 ton BT at the time (first year licensed out)..The only killer ,rainy days ,cold days,wet nights ,and that Gawd forddin tandem tag trailer..
Boom truck or Truck mount crane?
Cranes are purpose built from the ground up, counterweighted lifting machines. Thats a swing cab boom mounted on a truck chassis (BOOM TRUCK) also these boom truck swing cab cranes require way more setup area than a similar capacity crane. the crane gets away with a smaller footprint by having more counterweight.
Oh really???? explain more please, Also care to comment on the liebherr LTF 1060 and the 1045
And im a boom truck guy. when we were shopping for new picker uppers i compared 50T national swing cab to a 50 ton link belt. The outrigger spread at the time was a couple of feet greater than a comparable link belt of the same capacity. Also the charts were much better through the range with the purpose built crane.
LTF 1060,1045,1035 all sport 4 cylinder Liebherr diesel's in the crane.. The Liebherr crane generally runs 24volt.. most modern North American made truck's run 12v.. Its a crane that got mounted to a truck,and dosent require the truck really only to get it there .. mount it to a trailer it would still run ..
These are very popular with tower co. that work on cell towers
it's a wiggly wobbly fly rod boom truck. ---------this may be an UNDER statement. I think a Broedy has more stability than them damn boom trucks......
Broedy? As in Broderson Carry deck?
Well, yeah! Is there another kind of Broedy???? Oh yeah, everyone else doesn't live where there are a lot of industrial change overs..... Don't tell me, they are not a REAL crane either......Pay scale for them here is higher than working with the building trades...There is even a separate contract....
:drinkup I was just makin sure you werent talking about a Bull Moose...:drinkup LOL..Ive spent lots off nights tucked away in a pipe rack in the middle of January in one of those.. They aint like a boom truck at all.. I was thinking about this for a while to .. Teamster drive's it and an Operating Engineer ran it ..thats fair eh
Alright I'll try this again since I couldn't upload pics the other day. The first, a Grove 10 ton mounted on a Ford truck. The second, a Grove 12 ton mounted on a crane carrier. Crane or Boom truck?
i ran the 'lil red one years back. cute rig. er, um..... truck? i think they sold it a while ago.
that sure is a beautiful anti two block on that rig :thumbsup
Theres nothing on the "truck" strong enough to hold back a little tweak..LOL..a guy would haul the cab up into the boom ..
Check this out ... Crane ..
Mounted on a volvo cabover, nice job too. I could use a rig like that.
4cly Cummins in the upper ..105 KPH down the highway.. I thought she had a nice chart to for a 40T unit
I wonder if they can mount it on a Mack?
Dont se why not ..Its only got to be bolted to it ..
That's a nice crane unit liebherr. Is that an Altec or Asplundh bucket truck boom in background behind that Mack?
When they figure out how to mount the GMK3055 on a truck rather than a AT carrier ora trailer I would jump on it.
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Boom truck! In my O.E. Local... Crane operators are also boom truck operators and it doesnt matter if your running a 300 ton crawler or a small boom truck you get the same wages. And alot of times that boom truck will be rolling out on jobs daily when a 120 ton is sitting for weeks at a time. No shame in running either at all. :drinkup
Unless its a tractor mount boom truck,then it belongs to the driver's hehehehehehehe
Hey, I'm thinking Q answered his own question. After all, he did post his question in the "Cranes" section. Bah ha ha ha ha :tong
that Q ball..............lol
yeah, that q is a hell of a guy!
Thats an old asplundh L36 bought to be mounted on the skidder in the photo right before the eletrical company here stopped hiring contractors to trim their powerlines.
LoL, I could tell it was one of those two brands. Mount it on a log skidder? Sort of like a Tree Farmer machine?
:iagree Mr Q is one of a kind and not replacable so take care Q & be safe.He also likes to rant abit Pretty good rants Q:thumbsup
What ya going to to with this YouTube - Intermat: Manitowoc GSK 55
Ive given that some thought ..and a few things pop to mind ..like a term job week or few days ..even more that would require a unit to be left in the same spot due to site restrictions..crane rental ..like say a steel erection ,multiple air units .. ..but most sites are tricky enough to get a mobile in ,then fart with the truck to get it handy ..MHO..has its place ..but those places can be limited..
Tree Farmer?! Maybe if they'd built one in the last 15yrs. You're showing our age again.
I moved 17 yards of hardend concrete with a 30T boom truck today......47 pieces had to put a hose on the oil tank to keep it running...it chattered ,groaned,got tired temp said i was breatching a 100°C...not good really ..water hose got her down to 70°C... now ..an old TMS 300 with an ol' Detroit would scream from 7 am to 5pm and only ask for a little oil n' shot of grease ...not a drink of water:beatsme...what kinda noise is that Boom trucks aint cranes ...
leibherr...I do believe you nailed it with that one. :drinkup
I don't know about every TMS 300 in my area would need about 5 gallons of motor oil to keep running that long.
:drinkup ..Our bottles were 2 1/2 Gallon..LOL...She would suck it down ...The only thing I know that would out right slay those(TMS300) machines were highway barriers..damn near melt them ..
Must of been a real peice of junk..
I'm not sure you can consider it junk or maybe a wrong use of the machine.As a Respected Gentleman of the board so accurately points out " Boom trucks aint cranes" Cycle work kills a boom truck where a real crane just keeps on plugging. I run a boom truck setting electronic equipment from a 3rd story to the back of tractor trailers.Run just as hard as I could go and the hydraulic system heat was terrible. Boom trucks are just not built for that.At least not not built for someone that gets after it.
My TMS300 doesn't use oil. It has a new engine.....New tranny, new hydraulic cylinders, countless tires. Of course I've got enough money in it to retire on.
Respected...Maybe Hard headed ohhh yeah Oh and guess what Cranes aint Boom trucks. lol
Your right ..If a guy goes out of his way to put an oil cooler on it's not so bad..
All 4 manitex's of ours have them from factory, So does our knuckleboom. Heavy cycle work is not an issue with us.
. Boom Trucks and Cranes are very different, and their tonnage is not a real determining factor. It also makes no difference which, or what kind of truck you use, it all depends on how the lifting device is mounted to the truck. If the lifting device is mounted stationary on the truck, and only revolves with the load, and the operator stands still, it would be considered a boom truck. If the lifting device is mounted to the truck, and the operator rides, and swings with the lifting device and load, then it is considered a crane. I would much rather sit on my hind end, and operate a crane, than stand all day and operate a boom truck. Been there and done them both. :my2c :IMO .
What would you consider this one? the operator stands but swings with the boom. And on top of that it can carry a load.
That's the one I was running that got hot..have a few hours on it .. Freightliner/Daimler Has a piston pump,set rpm ..so no foot throttle...gear motor winch that's has a stupid high speed set up ..cant feather into it at all..over all its not a very well thought out truck ..like three different wrenches to remove a single console ..cheap single wrap hydraulic hoses..blew three in two years..not to mention the O-rings in the hoses blow out....comes with standard with heavy hydraulic oil ..had to switch the whole works out to get it to go out here in the east in winter ..not to mention slow as heck in winter ..all in all its a Texas boom truck ..she like warm weather.. Sports a Greer LMI ..which is about the only thing worth anything on the truck....and that came with a boom lenght A2B cable that broke up in the cold..like -1 ... Watch the load...our deck isnt a deck ...theres the spine and what equates to two fender's to represent a deck..to the point it draws up when using the chain binder's..why chain it know sense as theres you may haul the sides of the deck off..I know guys with half ton's with better decks.. The two gussets on the rear beam's cut into both load height under the boom and if you happen to have a wide load.. Money better spent on a LTC 1055,the aformentioned Grove or Liebherr Cranes.. Built extremly cheap. .not a bad chart though ..comparable to a Grove TMS300B.. Seriously ..get a loaner for a week to check it out ..My own personal take ..after running what Ive run and doing what Ive done ..I wouldnt even bother getting the free brochure on this unit ..
Yes I'm certainly not a fan of the Elliott brand I understand why you were having problems moving 47 pieces of concrete. When a local tree service bought a rear mount Elliott 32117, a 32 ton with 117' of main boom, we compared charts with our old 22101S Manitex, the 22 tonner could out lift it in our average working range. I couldn't find a good pic of our old manitex on my home computer, but it was mounted on a cabover Volvo FE with a 171" wheelbase, we could take it just about anywhere you could get a 4WD half ton.(Technical difficulties right now pics to come later) And a pic of an Elliott 37117.
Looking at the picture ..Did you Take it .. Elliot has a Dealership which is a stones throw from Toronto Yard ..where Mammoet i think still has that yard ..just up Carrier drive..Worked out of there for more than 10yrs.. The Elliot truck ..is only meant to complement their sign trucks for the sign industry....Thats all I can figure..nobody in their right mind would send this unit in a heavy industrial environment in a tear out or refit operation ..where you cant set anything with any weight on the deck to move it on sight ..its rediculous
Just my opinion, not based on knowledge of company history or facts, but my experience with Elliot units is they are primarily designed as a service boom, whether with a work platform for use by sign companys and the like, or be outfitted for utility work having a digger derrick mounted on it. Decent engineering and design (I've seen worse), but high cycling and high speed production they're not. If that's your application, get a real crane. Once worked on an Elliot for a sign company that had a digger derrick fitted to it. When using a 36" auger, the oil would heat up something fierce even though it had a large capacity oil reservoir fitted on the machine. Had to mount an electric fan oil cooler at turret of boom to recieve the hot oil fresh from the auger and cool it down before it was returned to tank. Overall, decent machine for a sign company, but crane it wasn't.
Cycling with any boom truck isnt going to be a fun day ..somedays its a chore with a crane ..then theres days where a guy would forefit his kingdom for an ol Link Belt friction machine.. Another stupid thing about this Elliot 30105..the Jib and Hydraulic oil tank are both on the same side of the truck ..we had to pull the jib off simply because the wheels would skip of the ground on the mildest of right hand turns..and pucker up real hard when moving around a green site ..where its all uneven
Yeah our Manitex 38124S was like that when it was new, we added a third drive axle and that problem went away. The picture of that Elliott is from BIK's yard in Toronto, probably the place you worked near.
Here's the photo of our old Manitex, mounted on a Volvo FE I should have found a better pic when I was at work today, but with the heat the only thing I could think about was going home to the air conditioning.