i found a spot while running our d9-g the other day
Oops! High-centered the old girl, did we? I've never done that, more than four or five times a day.
yeah part high centered and part plain old sunk and the rest i due to a lack of knowledge on my part.
It's really funny you know. You are dozing along and doing real well, than you hit 2nd reverse and back you go, suddenly realizing that you are not moving any more, and not only that. You look back and see that the back end of your tractor is disappearing into the mud. Aah S***! Then the fun really begins as you start digging that hulk of steel out. Sweet memories!
yeah i got the un-easy feeling while pushing foward and looked to the side and thought there is no way i just too a 4 foot thick cut and the it just quit moveing. so they went and got the 450 excavator andand pull me out bu the corner of the blade.
Thousands of guys get pulled or pushed out by another machine, but sometimes, too many times, parts of one or the other come apart under the strain. Either that or more damaged is caused than would be the case by doing the job proper with a tow cable. Maintenance Managers greatest fear!
yeah i have seen thing go very wrong when pulling on equipment, like when we pulled the winch right off the back of a d8k. we were at a train derailment in a tunnel and had the winch from the d9 hooked to the belly of the d8 and the d8 hooked to the train car. Thing went great on the first car, then all hell broke lose and the d8 winch went flying down the tunnel.
bummer man that looks like a day ruiner! but on the bright side it looks like you work in a pretty fun place! with some big iron. what kind of crusher is that, is it a terex, and is it mobile?
yeah it is a fun place to work. and yes that is a mobile terex jaw and cone.the cone is just on rent right now.
Nice pics! :thumbsup Your weather looks like our weather.
Nice Ol Girl That "G" is the best one even if you were stuck that I have seen in twenty years.
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crusher is that crusher a terex pegson? what type of material are you guys making, are you guys having a hard time putting the wet material into the crusher?:usa
i would gladly dig that thing out by hand if it meant gettin a job workin in a spot like that..one day...one day...
Been there, looks like you tried to get out with the ripper pitch , sometimes you can sometimes not.
That sure is a nice looking old machine. But it looks like it´s raining and I wonder what´s the temperature like in your place? That machine, like apparently most older dozers in the US, only has an open canopy. Can´t be much fun in the wintertime. The lack of enclosed cabs in America never seizes to puzzle me
For me, in the northern part of the usa, todays temp just got above 0F. I've never ran a dozer with a cab on it and it doesn't bother me. We have reverseable fans and use canvas to make heat housers and just have to dress warm. However, working when its that cold is very hard on the machine. I do know that having a cab on a dozer would do one thing for me, give me some windows to break, cause I know I can go all day clearning timber with a open cab and never have a branch come in. But give me a glass, lol I am sure somehow a branch from no where will find a window. Trbo Dress warm and enjoy the fumes, lol
Like DPete sometimes you can get yourself out by pushing yourself out by pitching the ripper back. Or you can lift your tracks up using the blade and ripper let or stuff some material under the tracks may take a few tries, but I have gotten myself out of a lot doing that. You and me both. I tend to ask before I take a new job what they are going to have me running. Just like EZ said cold isn't a problem unless your pushing snow. Now heat on the other hand well lets just say the boss or the other guys on the crew don't care to see me operating in my skippies.
yes that i a great old G model cat. the day the pics were taken it was about 35F. there. we turn our fans around in the winter and stay very warm on the older cats. yes that is a terex jaw and cone there. we make 1 inch minus 1.5 minus and 3 inch minus. as well as jaw run, railroad ballest and 4 inch open rock.
Staying warm Ok, I guess that in large parts of America you dont have have very strong winds? In my country winds can be be quite strong all year round and that means almost VERTICAL rain if it´s raining and vertical snow when it´s snowing. Any warm air from the cooling fan would be blown away. Well, for some reason we have been equipping our dozers with enclosed cabs for the last 50 yrs or so. And so has the rest of Europe it seems. You Americans must be real strong vikings:drinkup
In Wisconsin we get a ton of windy days, I will have to get some up close pics of how we have dozers set up, few side boards and some canvas will keep you pretty good all day, if it gets really really cold have a canvas that will fully cover you from the mid-section down. As far as your wind and snow and rain, you meat HORIZONTAL don't you? Just checking. Trbo
The second picture shows cable hanging over the top of the ripper shank,but looks to be small for much pulling,To small isn't the best either. What was the cable hanging on there for,other then looks?:usa
funny you ask about the cable, nobody in the company knows why it is there. and yes it is WAY to small to be pulling a cat of any size.
I see there is a loop in the top of the ripper shank,maybe they use the cable to carry the shank around when they need to take it out of the ripper and take it to other machine. Ususally to change it from one side to the other don't you just stick it in the ground and pull the pin then move over and set it in the other pockets. I guess you could always use it when you really bury it and connect it to other machine and walk the cable to dry ground???:drinkup :usa
I thought all cables on cats were for pulling stupid truck drivers out of the mud?
Hi EZTBRO Of course I meant horizontal, just a momentary confusion of words. Yes, it would be interesting to get some pics of some winter set-up on your dozers. Sure the dozers have the advantage of having a large engine on front of you where the fan can blow towards you if you like. Not so with so many other machines, you would not drive your loaders, excavators, scrapers etc. without a cab, would you? Or your car with no glass in the windows. Well personally I would not like warm air in my head mixed with oil fumes, dust and debris. And I would demand the protection of glass and walls to enjoy my coffee/ lunch and the radio. Especially in horizontal rain. regards Hjolli
yeah i dont know what the cable is for being that in the 5 years i have been around this company we have never used the rippe in a different slot or even had it off the cat. It just showed up one day and nobody know why
Yes having the engine in front of you and the fans reversible is a great thing. Our skidloader has a cab on it, with windows and a door, only time we have the door on though is when we are plowing snow with it. Otherwise leave it off. The excavator has a full cab as well but even a few weeks ago with temps well below zero I had the front windows open, just getting better view of the rocks I was trying to move. Only one of the scrapers I have ever ran had a cab, our JD 860 didn't even come standard with a rops, just a front window, we have since built a rops for it but still open. I have ran many types of equipment without the comforts of cab, heat and radio and no problesms, if the weather is that bad out with rain or snow there is no since being out there cause all we would be doing is wasting time and money. Only way I'll drive a car without a windshield is a race car or demo car. LOL Jason
Dozer Cabs Hello Hjolli, Years ago, contractors balked at buying cabs because of the extra cost. Also seasons work ended and they were parked. Times have changed, where work is being done, year round more often. The large dozers here,Alaska, all have factory cabs and most midsized dozers. The small dozers may or may not have cabs, depending upon owner and where used. Times are forcing the owners to cab all equipment, as they see the turnover rate, of Operators who refuse or quit, when asked to run equipment in bitter cold ,rain,snow. Silicosis, hearing loss are getting to be factors as recognition of the health effects are being understood. Yes years ago, when fans were turned, the Operators had to breathe, all that dirt, dust. Wear eye protection. Even then your eyes were bloodshot at the end of the day. Putting extra spill plates welded to the dozer top, covering the radiator with canvas, to minimize dirt and dust helped some. But you were really dirty at the end of the day. Wearing down jackets and ski masks kept your upper torso half warm and while your lower half overheated from the canvas side curtains. Nope, I sure don't miss the open air cabs. Plenty of miserable days spent on them. Nowadays, we just keep on working regardless of the weather. Greater production.
Cabs This is very well put Northart, and it´s good to hear that American equipment owners are moving into the 21. century:drinkup Apparently Europe is some 40-50 years ahead of the US in this respect and at least in northern Europe heavy equipment without a cab is unsellable. (maybe with the exeption of paving machinery) It will of course also be a question of what you are grown up with. The cabs of the past had their drawbacks, windows were often smallish, heating and ventilation was inferior and rattling doors and panels often increased the already high level of noise. But then at least operators wore some hearing protection (headsets), something I don´t see when I look at old pictures from American construction sites. I think most operators would prefer bad cabs to being exposed to dirt, cold and rain. But working e.g. in a forest in a warm climate may be a slightly different story (never tried that myself). But you will always have some flying dirt around you. Well, this is a subject that has always interested me.... Hjolli
Nothing wrong with the old D9G's heres a picture of the one operate it still does a descent days work
Work? Hello Hock D9G, Wait till your exposed to the newer D9H, R,T, Cats. They outproduce the older versions. They were (D9G) good Cats , as I run them . Life goes on . Just like the Oxcart and Ox has been replaced. Just wondering what Caterpillar will do when they run out of the Alphabet ! Series 1,2,3 etc.
Cabs,comfort, productivity ? Hello Hjolli, The equipment Cabs, is an evolutionary thing, far as progress. 1st, imported machinery from the Lower 48,to Alaska, never really needed cabs, in the warmer climates.Sure did when they got here ! Finally ROPS were made mandatory in '74?, retroactive to '67. Since this was mandatory, the progression to the fully enclosed cab, became the next logical step. For quite some time contractors resisted, the retro outfit costs of installing the cabs! $12,000 for a factory cab at the time ! Made a difference, when there was an abundant supply of younger bucks, and older hungry ones wanting winter work ! Finally it became apparent, to the die hard contractors, that when they seen other contractors working steady, with cabs, with greater productivity, they fell in line ! It was the issue of "Greater Productivity " not greater apparent "Operator Comfort" that drove the issue ! Finally OSHA, MSHA, Gov't Agencies forced the Health Issues to the forefront ! Protection from Silicosis,(dust,ie. lung disease), and Hearing Loss. Industry problems ! Without Gov't Intervention, none of the modern cabs would exist ! Not what I'm wanting to say, but the private sector needs to be lead sometime, for the common good ! Be assured Nobody wants open air cabs here, but sometimes have to accept whats available and on the job for work.
Work Hello Northart Ill have to put up with the old girl for some time yet It does about 1500 hrs a year.I have operated a D9H,D9N and a D10N And yes some times I do wish for a later model
D9G's Are Still Good In My Book Hang in there Hock. I love those old buggers too. The new ones are awfully nice but there is no comparrison to the sound and or the feeling of being on one of the older dozers. The mechanic we work with (who likes the older stuff to) told me today that if some of our younger operators dont have a mp3 player, wii video game and a dog gon tweenkie dispencer in the cab then its a piece of junk. What do kids no anyway? :beatsme
D9g Hi Joedirt, The only improvement to the D9G i operate is that a muffler has been added it had the straight exhaust pipe before.when i was younger i didnt mind listening to the sound it made a good throaty roar,now it would be to loud for these ears.
twinkie dispensor the old stuff is cool sounds cool and all that but i think the newer machines have alot higher production rate:beatsme im not talkin about the t's they are a little too much maybe n's or rs'
any one have any idea how big of a cable it would take to pull out a D11? the company i work for owns an 11 and i know we have enough 637s to do the job but getting a cable to hold up is the prob. i have seen the biggest cable we own stretch from maybe 4 inches round to the size of my pinky, with three loaded 37s pulling a stuck 10n.
i grew up running old jd farm tractors, my dad fired me more than once,so i got a job with a cons. crew building roads. i started on the pipe crew operating a wacker and shoveling dirt. after a year of that they broke me in on a 631c with a mean catskinner. 4 years on that i got to run a 641c which i thought was really nice cause it had a cab no ac or radio though. after a couple of years on them i graduated up to the 637c no cab to do all the finishing and i loved every minute of it. now i work in a mine running a 2005 d11 with a plush operator friendly cab, with a jamin stereo blasting satelite radio and could never go back. the old stuff was good but i think cat just keeps getting better.if its not a cat its a dog.
any one have any idea how big of a cable it would take to pull out a D11? You don't need a huge cable, just use several cables. I've done it before with 3 or 4. Pulling out stuck D11's and 657's is a drag and always kills production because of the number of machines required to pull out these machines. Just keep safety in mind when you're working with cables pulling these big machines. I highly recommend when pulling big stuck machines, use some tow chains and wrap them around the cables. In the event a cable does snap with that much pressure, the weight of the chains will drop the cable to the ground, versus it snapping back and hitting the dozer's fuel tank, or whipping into the radiator of the 637. I've seen that before and it's almost always an expensive fix.
Give me a cab any day. Love playing in the dirt, hate choking on the dust.
i work for a bentonite mine, and have seen lots of things get pulled out but never something this big. ive been running the 11 for 7 months now and i know im gonna get her stuck someday no matter how careful i try to be. wrap chains around the cables, good idea, its got a double ripper set up so can i wrap a cable on each shank then hook them both on the back of a scraper, then just start hooking the scrapers together?no i have never worked for those guys but i have heard of them.