hello i just bought a case 580 e and have hydraulic fluid coming out of starter pretty good stream can any body give me any info thank you aloismarks
Can you post pictures, The E does not have a wet bell housing, the last series to have wet was the B series. In those if the starter was replaced with a non sealed unit you could have the leakage mentioned. The E should have a large open threaded opening in the bottom to allow any seepage from the front pump or rear engine seal to escape so unless someone plugged that bottom opening leakage at the starter should not be possible. On an E the hydraulic filter is located just above the starter, is a leak at the filter running down over the starter area a possibility? As before, post pics especially of the trouble area. Thanks, Mel
good morning mel thank you for info i think the hole was plugged it was low on fluid i put more in and it runs fine until it leaks back out . thank you aloismarks
That hole is to remain open so leakage can not accumulate. Someone has plugged it to mask a problem maybe to sell it! Obviously you have a power shuttle pump leak or a cracked torque converter (very rare). The E reverser is very easy to drop to replace the pump. Most times there is a reason for seal leakage and I would suggest you disassemble the pump and check the bushings that support the rear stub of the converter. I have seen many of them "chunk out" leaving big voids in the bearing area. Also have seen stub damage requiring converter replacement. Case has a reman program that makes the replacement converters way more affordable. I would never recommend a used converter considering the reman price. On an E you do not have to remove the bell housing from the engine, just the SAE adapter plate to unbolt the converter, The rear engine seal can then be examined and you'll never get any closer to it to replace. Case shops have a special pusher that bolts to the crank flywheel pattern that pushes the new seal accurately and maybe if you have a friendly dealer you could put a deposit down and rent that tool, it is by far more desirable to gently push the seal into position than drive it with a punch and hammer. If you do this step, clean thoroughly and put a drop of red loctite on the bolt and torque to spec. In regard to the pump, if the rotor and gear and housing do not show wear but bushing damage exists, you can take the pump to a reputable transmission rebuilder and one of the old guys that has been around will recognize the pump to have been used in many old Ford applications and they have replacement press in bushings available or can get them, I always ordered ahead and kept them in stock and gave them a number such as the part number of the pump and a suffix B to denote bushing kit and marked that number on the pump page in our parts book. That saved my customers hundreds of dollars on occasion.
good morning mel thank you for the info which one would you recommened first to check because once there fluid in it is fine until it pushes out. I also noticed it didnt have much down pressure on front bucket but when u put back digger down it will lift the hole machine up with out a problem. thank you aloismarks
The most likely is the pump seal or pump oring but it may be worth it to take the converter to a local auto trasmission rebuilder and have it checked as well. They can clean and flush it for you and check the seal/bushing area for wear. There was a bolt change in the pump retaining bolts consisting of new bolts and copper washers not present on OEM. Thin 5/16 copper washers would be all that's needed to duplicate what Case offers. The loader valve contains the main relief valve for the entire machine so if the hoe is powerful the front should be as well, Be sure the loader spool is stroking fully and the loader will be at the same working pressure as the hoe. When the machine is on it's rear wheels the loader should pick the front easily, BUT with the rear on the stabilizers it will be hard pressed to lift it much. If you are using the front bucket as a stabilizer then put it down before raising the rear and even then it may seep down to a degree.