hi there im a newbe and wondering with the wealth of experience on this site if you guys would say the john deere 410 or the case 580b is the better machine. want to use for small light duty jobs. wondering on parts user friendly controls reliablilty. read lots on the Case but cant seem to find much on the john deere. have a chance to buy one or the other,:beatsme both about the same condition and money thanks gary
We know by the model the 580B is an early 70's machine, but the Deere 410 is a series that has ran for years. Which year model is the Deere? Also, I think even an early vintage 410 is going to be a little heavier hoe than the 580B, not for sure though. Are they comparably equipped? Both have cab, heat, etc. The 580B is old school tractor chassis. Any repairs to torque, reverser, tranny require splitting machine. The 410 may have external driveshaft connecting torque/reverser to tranny, making torque convertor/reverser repairs a little easier. Both are good machines, need to know more about the Deere. Also, which dealer do you have close to you?
the 410 jd is a 82 vintage both heated cabs average condition no extenda hoe on either both 2 wheel drive.i a kinda leaning toward the case has loader cyl.s leaking and leak from throttle shaft on pump. jd however has new pump (injection and hyd.) same owner 10 years only problem he tryed to rebuild engine and spun a rod bearing ( in his words you know those diesels 50% chance they will run after a rebuild) anyway either way its fixable just wondering over all. the torque is a good point are parts still kicking around for the Case trans?
50% chance of diesel's running after rebuild??? He's full of $&*@ I've in-framed several of those 239 Deeres...and they're still running! But if he's spun a main or rod bearing, you're probably going to have to replace cranckshaft. Also, what else did Mr. 50% miss? Or would that be "mess up"? Both are good machines, parts are readily available for both. The '82 vintage Deere would be a heavier machine, able to do heavier work. Choices, choices. :Banghead
thats what i was thinking.. the engines going to have to come apart just to check everything.
I agree with Atco any guy who says you have a 50% chance of a diesel staying together after a rebuild didn't know what the hell he was doing. Wonder what other things he "fixed" on it. If he spun a rod bearing may need a crank and I wouldn't sleep unless I did a complete tear down. Guy probably didn't know how to use a micrometer or plastigage. I'd stay away from the Deere for that reason only.
Well said. Especially since the engine in those machines are one of the easiest engines to rebuild. If a guy can mess up a rebuild on one of those, he could mess up a free lunch! :yup
well after deciding i bought both i think i can fix the one and sell to finance the other. was wondering though on the standayne pump on the Case is that just bushings in the housing sealing the throttle shaft? also whats a crank worth for the john deere and is it a wet liner engine (removable liner) thanks
Excellent! Bought both of them. :tong Replacing throttle shaft seal is something best left for an injection shop. Easy to remove injection pump on those engines. Your Deere is probably a wet liner engine. The ones I have done were. There's a tag on the side of the engine that has the model number on it. I'm guessing it's a 219 or maybe 239.
speaking of engine tags were would i find it on the Case looked all over cant seem to locate? have the ebay owners manual coming. with your experince with jd do you know if you can buy like a .002 under bearing (just wondering if all looks good maybe i could get away with a polish. I personally think he put the bearings in wrong or put the rod cap on backwards
Phil is the guru on the 580B. He can tell you anything you want to know about that machine. I'm sure oversize bearings are available for the Deere. You can get parts from Deere, or aftermarket suppliers like Joseph Industries or Engine Power Source.
"Phil is the guru on the 580B" , I wish I was, no maybe not, it's more fun learning especially here . The 580B engine has the engine serial # tag on the right side of the cylinder block, at the bottom and about halfway back, just behind the oil filter. If it's been hot tanked, often the tag is gone. Sometimes this # is also found on the front of the block at the bottom right side, under the motor mount mounting surface. Phil