How many of you guys on here transport a 45-50 size mini excavator with a 3/4 ton pickup or a one ton truck.....while utilizing a 10,000 pound capacity trailer. And yes I know how much they weigh. We are buying a mini and our leaning toward a 35 size machine for one reason and one reason only. it is the biggest machine we can get that weighs under 10,000 lbs. We are sick of tying up a CDL driver,truck,and trailer for dig and run small jobs. SO back to the original question....who hauls a 45-50 mini on a 10,000 lb cap trailer with a 3/4 ton of one ton. We are in Pennsylvania.
I am guilty, but only once ar twice a year Why not get a 14k trailer?
CDL for any trailers over 10k, sucks don't it? The best part is if its an RV you can go to 15K, not that anyone gets a CDL to pull an 18k RV with a 1ton.
I din't think that was an issue in PA Is it in Kansas?
This how we do it: Having the mini on the truck is an issue that we argue over sometimes. The tools trailer goes behind so you can drop the trailer and the machine and the truck can leave the site without having to worry about unloading any equipment. Loading on a trailer would be much easier than handling the ramps but then I would have the tools on the truck. The yanmar is close enough to 3 tonnes or 6600lbs. We wanted the 35 sized machine but it was actually closer to 3.8 tonnes in working trim and that is near max for the truck and beyond the capacity of our trailer.....and I'm also the only one licensed for that load. This way my nephew can haul the machines around in the truck without having to go up a stage in the licenses.
here in ohio they go by the combined gross vehicle rate so if the truck is rated at 10,000lbs that leaves ya 16000lbs for trailer. I have a tri axle trailer with 5500lb axles so it is built for 16500lbs but since it has a 2 5/16 ball its only rated at 10,000lbs so with the 11000lbs of the truck still no cdl required
Why don't you get the proper licence class? Here in ontario we need an A class licence (the same class required to pull a fifth wheel tractor trailer combo) to pull more then 10,000 lbs. It's a bit of pain initially, but because I have it, I can float to the job, haul the soil out and drive the rig home at the end of the day. I leave the operators without their A class drivers license to fight over the little scrappy jobs with the smaller machines. I haul my 5T and 8T machine with a single axle dump. It's also really handy when you want to take along a skidsteer too, and don't have to make a second trip. Pete
Guess it is a matter of weighing up all the options but I am great believer in doing the job properly the first time, which may well mean some headaches initially but in the long run you'll be better off because you have the right machine for the job, instead of a smaller one struggling away. So yeah I'd agree, get your truck license and a right size truck to pull/carry the right sized machine for you application. Having a truck license comes in handy for other things, for example id times are slow you might get a couple of days work driving a truck for someone else. Not sure how it works where you are but here in Oz you can get a small truck license once you have held a car license for a year and then after a year of small truck license you can go for a semi trailer up to 42.5 tonnes and after that you have to drive a 42.5 tonner for a couple of years and then apply for a road train/B-double license. I was lucky in that I got my truck license out in the bush where you took the local copper for a spin around the block. However I did have to parallel park a small truck, bit of a pain but I managed.
I looked it up and i was wrong on the 10K trailer thing in ks. I guess i got my rules mixed up. Reuben Assuming that PA rules are the same as ks, you would be able to run a 8k truck and 14k trailer without tying up a CDL drivers.
That brought back a memory . When i was 19 , I pulled up in front of the police station with a full load of wool on a semi , i said to the cop on duty , I need a license to drive that thing to Brisbane . He looked over his glasses out the window and said , well you can obviously drive it , and wrote out my license .
The 26,001 rule applies to straight trucks. If your trailer is 10,000lbs or more you need a CDL. These regs. are supposed to be federal, meaning the same in every state. There are of course exceptions to these rules for farmers and a few others. See the attached from the Federal Motor Carriers Saftey Admin.
The 26k applies to Class A also You do NOT need a CDL simply because the trailer is over 10K
One day I'm gonna get a trailer big enough to haul mine daily. Prob be a 14k
What about an F350 or F450 with a hook lift and dump body? Might come in under 26,000 lbs.
F650 would appear to be the correct size. It falls within the 26,000 limit. You don´t need a CDL operator, you can use it as a dump truck (with a less convenient tailgate) and who can´t use a dumpster every now and then (the dumpster is great until others find it and you find that people have donated their unwanted sofas and old tires.) It might set you back a little more than a utility trailer, though.
guys you could argue all day about the CDL...the fact is nobody knows jack ...poop... about what they are talking about because nobody can ever get a straight answer from the DMV or DOT whether they need to have a CDL for a particular setup Reuben...back on track...i don't see it being a problem...local trailer dealers around here are giving away trailers now and you can find 10,000lbs goosenecks out there...that would be a better way to distribute the weight, but a bumper pull would work as well my buddy just bought a brand new 12K deckover (22' with a 3' beavertail) for $2500 in Manheim PA from Appalachian Trailer sales..sweet trailer or you could go the roll back route, but then you run into heigh issues getting under some of the railroad bridges here in the great state of PA on a side note...how close are you to Pike County Delaware Township?
People make way more difficult then it is. It is pretty simple really.
Just go to ask.com and type it "when do I need a CDL" It will take you to a dmv page and give you a set of questions to answer to tell you if you need a cdl or not.
we use 14 k trailers and 20 k trailers, and don't sweat it.
Pretty tough to stay under CDL with a 20k trailer.
http://www.drivingrules.net/cdl/needaCDL.htm DO YOU NEED A COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE? You need a CDL if you operate any of the following vehicles. . • All single vehicles with a manufacturer's weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more . • All trailers with a manufacturer's weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more, if the gross weight rating of the combined vehicle(s) is 26,001 pounds or more . • All vehicles designed to transport 16 or more persons (including the driver). (Private, church, buses.) • All vehicles that carry placarded amounts of hazardous materials (see following section on exemptions). Occasional drivers are also required to apply for a CDL and all appropriate endorsements. For example: Mechanics or truck sales people who test drive on a public roadway These vehicles are divided into three classes, A, B, and C. To determine what class of CDL you need, follow the links to the questions. A higher class CDL allows you to drive vehicles in any of the lower classes provided you have the correct endorsements. jr
Or how about this.
I go by this rule..........and I do have my CDL. Single truck = < 26,001 Trailer = <10,001 That's what mine says I'm legal for on the back. Oh and the scoot
What are you trying to say?
What it says is what it means. Seems like people try to make their own interpretations. Just ask 3 different people and see what answers you get
Another helpful post.
So tell me Cretebaby what makes you the foremost authority? Are you the only person that can post on the forum? My posted reply is because people with no CDL are breaking the law because they want to interpret that law to suit themselves. If you don't like what I have to say .....turn the page smart ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am kinda thinking the whole thread's pretty helpfull .....I wasnt real clear on the OP question anyway's so i'll just answer the thread title We haul ours on a trailer! pj
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Creeeeeeete! lol but how did you know it was me and not someother CaT useing my name haha Back on topic......What was the topic again? pj
Listen hear Buddy You posted some vague info, I asked you to clarifty it, then you got smart.
You got the wrong guy Crete lol
Hi ,As an australian reading this and not knowing much about the laws of there .What is the big drama about having or getting a CDL? As a couple of aussies have said on this thread we just get a truck license to drive the trucks we own .ian.
Eh???? (That is my Dave impression)LOL
Some think you need a CDL class A to pull a trailer over 10k, which is true if the combination is over 26k, but not solely on the fact that the trailer weights over 10k.
Boy, did this thread take a turn. How about getting a trailer rated to haul the mini, and remember this, with a 6800# mini that leaves only 3199# of trailer, tie downs, blocking, and whatever else untill you are at the 10K limit. Most trailers I have been around that are rated at 10K weigh in at over 3K. Why not get a good heavy duty one that weighs closer to 4K empty but will be rated at 14 to 18K. Then you have enough capacity and BRAKES to safely haul the load, and whatever else gets thrown on board. Then take the day out of your schedule and get the proper CDL and run legit. Or cut corners, skirt the law, and cross your fingers that nothing bad ever happens. I will agree, it is hard to compete with those that skirt the law when you are running legit, but I can sleep at night.
Cretebaby YES, if your trailer is 10K or more, you are required to have a CDL. Read the above posts again, you can see it right there. If the combination vehicle is over 26K, OR if the trailer is over 10K So, 19,500 truck, like a F-550, pulling a 7,000 trailer, and you need a CDL Any truck pulling a 10K trailer and you need a CDL
That may be the case in CA but not for the rest of us.
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A CDL is a pain in the ass!Physicials,random **** tests and a high fee in KS.
On your head? :laugh Here is what the feds have to say. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...01633480023243
nuff said
I have a F350 and pull a 304.5 without any problems my combined weight is below 26k. The problem I have had in the past is the transmission, I recommend a manual and a trailer with good brakes, it's not hard to get things going it's just making sure you can stop them when you need to. The hitch on my truck is rated at 15k lbs.
i have a 2000 f350 srw with a beefed up suspension and 20 t pintle hitch and i haul my 307 with it. not to often but it is what it is. we also haul it with a f350drw with 4:10's and that seems to go a little better. oh getting going and stopping is another deal. but we have never wrecked. oh yeah these are automatics.
What really bothers me about the CDL/non-CDL laws is the discriminatory and anti-business way they are written. For instance, in Washington State, you are legal to haul 50,000 pounds of Christmas trees with no CDL. Ditto for wheat farmers, or any agricultural product. If the laws are about public safety, then they should apply to all who use the public roads. If it is not about safety, then it is just one more example of a government that knows no end to regulation. I have talked to, and written my state Rep, to little avail. He is a wheat farmer, the laws benefit him greatly. I would encourage anyone who feels so moved, to write their state rep as well. This is not just about CDL's, it is really about a government that is way out of control.
Lots of confusion on - CDL - FED regs are clear, but some individual states' commercial business towing trailers over 10K, or even heavy pickups licensed over 10K as needing at a minimum a DOT medical card. States are slowly closing the loopholes or enforcing laws on the books that have been lax for years. Example: MN has had the 10K rule for years, only recently started to enforce it, trapping say a landscaper expanding from lawnmowers to a skidloader & now busts 10K subject to additional regulations. Last year they were stopping any pickup dragging a trailer... Another example: a local co licensed all it's trucks in Canada to save costs. Worked great until the insuance co. found DUI and felon drivers. Insurance co required all drivers to be able to cross the Canadian border. Co had to fire this group of drivers because Canada would not let them in... Some issues with CDL are increased documentation, work hours, insurance costs, DUI is cut in half from .08 to .04, random drug tests, etc. Background checks, additional terrorism certs to drive into a port authority...
This is how we do it.
When you say the combined weigth is below 26,001lbs, I hope you are refering to the GVWR of the truck added to the GVWR of the trailer, not the scale weight of the truck, trailer and excavator. If they are over 26,001, you need a CDL A.
I have a class A, i think it would be pushing it towing mine behind a F-350. I think it would be safer behind the single axle dump.