I’m looking at buying owner says it starts right up but does not move. Any help on identifying machine and possible issues. And a valuation if possible.
Don’t buy that. You will be hard pressed to ever get parts for it, especially undercarriage parts. To me, tracks look pretty worn and sprockets are finished.
Thanks. Any idea on a value?
Maybe worth scrap value. Not sure what the price/lb. is now, or how much it weighs. It might be a good old dozer, but undercarriage parts are "unobtainium" for the most part.
I'm with MM - wouldn't pay more than scrap value and that's if the engine is running otherwise it's worth less than scrap because you have to get it to the scales. What does that weigh 18-20K lbs? $180/TN X 10 tons= $1800
You guys just killed someone’s dreams. Saved him heartache and money but killed the dream.
And transport included.
10 thousand NZ$ easy if it runs and operates how it should . If those tracks are worn out as it's unclear in the photos couple of thousand less . If there are other machines the same either wrecking or running . Lots of if's knowing parts are hard to find .
Less than scrap price. Acetylene and oxygen, plus the time to cut it up and haul it away isn't cheap. Please do not buy it. Save your money for something better that you can at least buy parts for and will at least move under its own power.
Value as is probably less than $1000. Some repairs will be needed. The undercarriage is worn but for light use it might be OK for the moment. I am in Australia and parts come to us from Europe through reliable sources. I am sure the US does too. This company supplies Fiat Allis parts in the USA. Telephone: 724-353-2000 Fax: 724-353-2375 Snail Mail: Stephens Equipment Company, 171 Bear Creek Road, Sarver, PA 16055
Undercarriage has a little life left but if it needs transmission work it's likely dead in the water. Would not be a good machine to purchase.
Here is an operating one, sale price $14,500, 8 months ago. West Virginia.
I see the tracks are a little tight and also there is very little video to show what shape the undercarriage is in. That's the first thing to inspect on a used dozer. In the 1st video he didn't even know if the oil pressure gauge worked and thought the temp. gauge didn't work. Those are the most important gauges on the machine and shouldn't be a major issue to replace? Curious why he didn't replace them? The other issue is parts will be difficult to find. I think you could find a Cat, JD or Case for around the same price.
Another similar. $9,000 Chehalis, Washington. Not running currently. Log into Facebook Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. www.facebook.com
Run far away from that one! Why are you so insistent on Fiat Allis dozers?
Stewmeat1. How long since it has been used? Any problem noticed when used last? The issue of why it does not track could be expensive or it could be very little cost. If the motor goes but it does not track, the reason could be:- Low or lack of oil in transmission, Blocked filter somewhere, Brakes not adjusted properly, Parking brake problem, Some problem of a physical nature with the gear engaging linkages from hand control to gearbox, All of which are minor. Then there could be failures within the drivetrain such as torque converter, gearbox, final drive etc, which are going to take more effort to fix. If the owner says it was running OK when parked then it is unlikely any of the just mentioned drivetrain parts have failed while it has been sitting still doing nothing. On the other hand if it went "clunk" and stopped while he was digging out a big tree then that would be a bad omen. There are three seperate hydraulic oil circuits to activate various controls, all pressurised independently by three hydraulic pumps at the rear of the engine. The pumps have filters either side of them (intake and outlet) to protect the system in case of failure of a component. They are the equipment circuit, the transmission circuit, (including the torque converter scavenge pump), and the steering brake and clutch circuit. A thorough external cleaning down with a pressure washer and a check of the control mechanisms and if nothing comes up then a forensic examination of all the contents of the sumps (including the final drives) and filters for debris is probably going to turn up something to indicate the issue. The identification tag in your photo indicates it is a Fiat Allis 8C, a well built, worthy, rugged and reliable machine, although now 40 years old. As I said earlier it is probably worth less than $1000 until the problem is traced. Two examples of pricing of similar machines above. Ultimately, a lot depends on what you have in mind to do with the machine. If you are a mechanic, no problem, just buy it, open things up, find the broken parts and repair.
The big problem with FA is parts. It doesn't matter how good they were 40 years ago if you can't get parts today and in the future.
Welder Dave, you are correct that parts are a problem. Some parts suppliers can be found on the "Fiat Allis Dozers" Facebook page, which has been put together by Brent Blaise in the USA. Thanks to Brent's efforts, many people are commenting favourably on their experiences in fixing their dozers. A list is below. The United States seems to have a fair population of Fiat Allis equipment, as does Australia, New Zealand and many other countries, but parts seem to originate from Italy, for obvious reasons. In contrast to some other nations, Italy has a modern, sophisticated industrial base, a willing and technologically advanced workforce backed by enlightened education and training systems, a highly adaptive business structure, and a stable political and social environment where people can live happy, fulfilling lives with their families, while surrounded and enmeshed in sport, art, literature, culture, food and music derived from centuries of harmonious history. I have talked to one parts supplier here in Australia and based on their decades old relationships with manufacturers in Italy, they are confident the supply of parts is secure, as there is a steady demand worldwide. The parts obviously will not be cheap or delivery fast, but parts manufacture still exists, and will continue. FIAT ALLIS PARTS SUPPLIERS. United States of America Kwikparts. (573)826-1083 (Williamsburg Missouri) https://kwikpartsllc.com/... https://www.stephensequipment.com/ 171 Bear Creek Road, Sarver, PA 16055 Telephone 724-353-2000 - Fax 724-353-2375 Australia South Burnett Tractor Parts. Phone Australia 074164200 ( Fiat Allis Parts shipped worldwide) https://www.tractorspareparts.com.au https://gwtractors.com.au/ G. W. Tractors specialises in replacement bulldozer parts for Fiat, Fiat Allis ( Parts delivery worldwide) https://www.philhuntparts.com.au/... (Fiat Allis Parts shipped worldwide) Phil Hunt Parts 19-29 Curlew Crescent Tamworth NSW 2340 tel: 0267624466 Italy https://www.rami-spare.it/en/brands/fiat-allis www.agri3b.it High precision spare parts for industrial earthmoving machines | CGR Ghinassi CGR Ghinassi parts are perfectly interchangeable with the genuine equivalents and provide the highest guarantees of strength and durability www.ghinassi.com
I guess it would depend on specific parts but there are at least a few people who have had trouble finding the parts they need or undercarriage to fit their FA machines. The list of potential suppliers is good to know though.
We are never going to get 65+ pages of repair threads if you guys keep telling people not to buy crap! Buy that thing and let's get started tearing it down!
Nope - I'm telling them every time it's yellow scrap iron. Makes my part time job easier.
Maybe, with weird iron like that, it could possibly work out if you had a large enough collection of FA track- type tractors available to scavenge parts from. Just like Pokeman, gotta get them all! Stack em’ deep, while they are cheap! We even had a HEF member that was collecting Drotts. Haven’t heard from him, lately.
Its better to buy a cheap broken down machine than an expensive running box of bolts just waiting to fail the day the blade hits the dirt .
It's better not to buy either one. It's always recommended to have someone experienced check a machine out before you kiss your money goodbye. Unfortunately a lot of people are blinded by what they think is a great deal or just the thought of having a big Tonka toy to play with.
I was shown a D4D buy a guy who you would have look at dozers for a report . He had done a report on the D4 . It was up to scratch he thought and signed it off at that . Soon as it was put to work it was seen that one track was not tracking right , it had a broken main shaft .It had already been replaced once with a Field Modification shaft that has a ring of bolts on the inside , only thing that was holding it all together. New oil in the finals he said , just for the occasion when he looked at it . Meanwhile the D4D's new owner's old D47U was in the same workshop for minor work and a service . You just never know . Another example I know off is the million dollar D41 Komatsu across the boundary . Real nice looking dozer , it is now to as just about every component has been repaired .
Can't have been much of an inspector if he didn't include getting the machine up to temperature and running it for half an hour or longer to see how it operates. It's no different than trusting everything is in order because there's a shiny new paint job.
D9R score Here is a good story. Mechanic found loose bolt had locked brakes on. HeavyEquipmentForums
Locally,try MINNPAR . In Italy,try G.A RICAMBI & Tas SPa. And ERMA SRL for undercarriage. Berco used to supply F A undercarriage,as did SIMMEL & others. I operated an FL14E Crawler-loader & liked it's pushing power.
That was a top man , the shaft was held by the ring of bolts enough to get it sold .
If it wasn't tracking straight right off the bat, that should have been investigated and would have shown up if the machine was operated during the initial inspection.
As soon as it was shown to be not tracking right it was investigated and repaired and whats more the man who did the report supplied the labor for the repairs in his workshop . It did not show up during the inspection for the report , thats why he signed off on it .
It appears that it wasn't operated much, if at all, and the inspector knew he didn't do a thorough enough inspection. That's why he supplied the labour. I had something similar happen on a single axle dump truck I bought. The shop that did the inspection trusted the seller that the brakes were good instead of pulling a wheel to check. I sued and got back 85% of what it cost to fix. The shop could have lost their commercial vehicle inspection license. The owners jaws dropped when I opened the mysterious cardboard box on a dolly. I took the brake drum to the courthouse that was almost split it two. It had a crack across it all the way through the hub. There was a significant lip on the edge of the drum since it was 110% worn. I knew the owner of the brake shop that fixed it and he would have gone to court for me. It didn't need to go to court though.
He supplied the labour because he was a decent man . Whats more he would not share the name of the person who stitched up the tractor for the same reason . That would not have been hard to find out as the district had limited D4D's with even less people who could pull a sprocket on a tractor they owned .
Could be he didn't name the person who stitched up the tractor because he has partially responsible since he didn't catch it in his inspection. Sorry but I think the inspector may have missed a step in his inspection.
He didn't name the person because he was a gentleman , you may not recognize the quality but there you are . An effort was made to hide a damaged machine and it worked , if the problem had presented itself he would have picked it up .
There was obviously a problem if it didn't track straight. Perhaps running the machine for awhile, the problem would have presented itself. I can understand he didn't want to name who patched the tractor up. It could come back to bite him.