Here is some pictures of a true US style lowboy taken at the Volvo HQ in Oslo. Scania stopped produsing this type of cabs som years ago. They where loading this brand new volvo 360 Exc yesterday evening. He got a single axle that can be attached to the back of tractor if its nessecery. You can se the brackets on the tractor. He also got 4 positions for the king-pin in the gooseneck. And apr 10 feet of adjusting lenght for the turning table. V8 520+ hp. Trailer can also be extended with single, double or tripple axles. He also got a extension that can be hooked in front of the trailer. Between the trailer and the goseneck.
i sat here for a couple seconds loookin at that truck ,i just can't find anything i really like about it :beatsme its nice but i guess it not for me. lookinat the spread on the axles on the trailer i bet that turns great ointhead
I was thinking the same thing. My brother & I had some spreads and it was a chore turning them loaded. I don't think I've ever seen a loboy with spread axles. The closest would be a California four axle trailer. I can think of a couple of drop-deck model spreads, but they were really for lighter loading. Is that tractor a Volvo or a Scania, MKTEF? Sorta neat, almost retro 50's styling.
Well I would like to own one them thar trucks. If fer no other reason than juzz to make these fellers around town git a crick in thier necks. Trying ta figure out who makes'em and where I got it! I'm with surfer-joe on the retro 50's part I guess that's what I like about it.
520+ hp ...I like that I like the look of it too. Something different.
No its not a Pete or a T-800 Kenworth but it does the job. The one contractor that has a lowbed and does most of the lowbedding runs a T-800 with C-15 power 18spd. The other day they hauling a log loader its a heavy machine weighs 102,000lbs the C-15 (550hp) was straining under that load the truck torquing up. I noticed with that truck pictured the truck looks like it has planetary rears ?
I guessed u would react boy's V8 is always a Scania here around. I am not shure of the exact modell, it can be a 14 litre or a 16 litre. And the hp can be from 520-620. Depending on the exact year and modell. And i have to say, its realy a ordinary truck in my mind. No extray chrome, paint and such. And it got a tandem with planetary gears, i don't know if he got a retarder and converter. He might have so, if they spent the money when new. Tandem on this one is a air ride, so i mean it is rated around 40-42 000 lbs. Talking about load, we transport our Leo-2 Tanks with a 3 axle tractor and a 6 axeled trailer, totalweight is around 198 000 lbs. Our old V8, 520 ps, Scania 143 has problems.... But with the converter u get it rolling. But in the hills u better get prepared for some slow moving and sometimes 6wd has to be used. The axels on this trailer is a boogie and then a single axle.(spacing desides) He can then have 39 683Lbs on the boogie and 22 000 lbs on the single axle. Max total weight for this combination, without a special permit, is 110 000 lbs on the main roads. That is if he got stearing on the last one. (i bet he's got stearing on the 2 last ones ) And i bet he's got lift on the last two also, to improve handling. Normaly he's got a yearly permit that gives him some extra on that combination, i guess he's got max around 120-130 000 lbs on this spesific combination.(he's got 4 axl on the tractor, instead of 3 axl) And with a empty weight of apr 44 000lbs he's got some loading capacity.
Yep. One of the best Heavy haulage rigs about. I am sure I saw a T Cab the other day on a 2006 plate. I would think this model is a T164 580 hp model as I haven't encountered any 520hp units? The planets on the back and super single steer would indicate at least 150 ton plate on the unit. Maybe more with the tag axle. I don't know why they would bother with a auto tranny as the manual 12 speed would be quite sufficient for the duty's its rated at. Full air on the rears but springs on the front? Ive done quite a bit repair work on T164's and they put the Engine oil cooler on the back of the Transmission for some reason??? Has this unit got the Leather Recaro seats and double glazing etc? Thanks for posting the pics anyway. Ross
We used to see Scania trucks here but they stopped importing them over 10 years ago, I'm not sure why. It's interesting to see how the heavy loads are handled over there, the rigs are quite a bit different than we are used to seeing.
Ross you are correct in the details here.:notworthy I spoted this one, when i was taking some spypictures of our new graders in the yard at the Volvo HQ. Pictures is from the parking area, in front of the main building. I don't think they got a automatic gearbox, but some of the heavy mowers here have the hydraulic clutch and retarder on their manual gearbox. (we got on our 143's) I think the placement of the cooler can have something to do with the retarder. When u got one, it works whith oil, and is cooled by the cooling water. This heat exchange is done back at the gearbox. And there is plenty of radiators in front. Intercooler, water and A/C. And i agree on the air and springs at front, thats the usual solution here around. I didn't look inside the cab to see what type of seats they got. The driver was loading the excavator while i was there.
Yeah, I dont think the long haul guys in the states would like the smaller units we see here. Scania made a XXX R Cab but i haven't seen any yet. Also you guys tend to stick with Americian trucks which is a good thing. Iam sure i saw a few Volvo FN(Bull nose, Non tilt) Units in the states but there thin on the ground 143 450hp is one of the best Scania trucks made. They made a 500hp version but i dont think they made a 6x4 unit and Haulage companys had to stretch them out. Yeah thats a true statment. Ordinary T Cabs still have the cooler there (well did dam them ) And use an exahaust brake. I saw a doubler hydaulic clutch on one big unit and there was a huge cooler for it running off its own fans above the cab. Very impresive. Ross
Well Ross, i found another picture of the truck, it's either a 530 or a 630 ps. And here's two pictures of the same truck, but loaded with a Cat 350 demolition machine. And he has added the extra axles for this transport. As i can see theese pictures is of a older trailer. This is a VM trailer, the one i pictured is a VANGS trailer. But i bet he still got the same solution with the extra boogie on the trailer. Everybody here got extra axles to hook on to the trailer. And vangs make a system where u fold them back on top of the trailer, when u drive empty or with less load. Pictures from tungtransport.com.
You are right again ross. Its only 450 ps in our old 143. We got a manual 12 speed + a hydraulic clutch and a retarder. The clutch is like a converter in low gears and direct in the high range. The retarder is bolted on the back of the gearbox. Retarder works whith oil and a heatexchanger at the back of the gearbox. Cooled by the cooling water, rather nasty, cause if u drive it with a heavy load and go for max retarder it boils the water in seconds. And it gets realy messy in the front and sometimes on the windshield. I am thinking of our CV90 that has a up powered 14 litre Scania. We had a lot of problems getting 520ps out of the old 14l.
Volvo is a big name here in over the road trucks these days. The last time I took an extended trip I was amazed to see the number of them out there, it seemed like every fifth truck was Volvo. Volvo bought up GMC trucks and White, then dropped the lines. I believe Autocar got lost in that shuffle too. The Scania's I saw here were used as work platforms, as dump or fuel trucks. There never were a lot of them, but you'd see one once in a while.
Doesn't Volvo North America own Mack trucks ? A truck with planetary rears would be one heck of a puller but she wouldn't have a high road speed. They also could be expensive to repair. The second set of pictures of the lowbed the tractor looks like a cabover with a hood stuck on it
Thanks for posting the pics :drinkup Its hard to tell what hp the unit is from the pics. Well that can cause no end of problems. Have to be a good driver to keep within service parameters. I bet there was problems. I think the 143 was best at 450 hp. The only non custom 143 500hp units were 4x2's?:beatsme Yeah well they use a 16 sp box but disable the 2nd split (8~12 range) The units in question will be good for 56mph. Speed limit for Heavy vehicles here is 56mph(90Kms or so :beatsme ) I haven't done anything with the planets as there pretty reliable and underworked. Also the reduction isnt that much greater as they use a smaller diff reduction. The R cab(Tilt) and T cab share the same cab. :drinkup Good eyes :drinkup Ross
The new Hino medium duties look like that. Hino doesn't seem to sell cab over trucks trucks anymore but their new conventional cabs look like a cabover with a hood stuck on it and the wheels moved forward. Planetary rears are not used much for on highway uses in B.C. maybe in Alberta where they use bed trucks for the oil fields planetarys are used for on highway. Off highway like logging trucks use 90,000lb Planetary rears. On the West Coast side of the rockies trucks are geared to pull grades so 90-100km/h is as fast as a empty lowbed or train truck (super B) should be going anyways. If the planetaries allow for 90 klicks thats pretty good.
Volvo where intent on buying a controlling interest in Scania but I think the EU competition watchdog put an end to that deal. Scania Road trains here are available at 500 and 580 Hp for the DC16 V8 engine. Volvo and Scania together just exceed Kenworths market share of 25% of the Australian Market for Heavy Haul. If you add DAF then European Trucks outsell American orgin trucks 3:2...probably on the basis of fuel economy and for some, safety. Interestingly DAF is brought to Australia by PACCAR and sold side by side with Kenworth. Hino...not having a cabover?? The only long nose Hino make is the 600 series NA spec (see Hino North America) http://www.hino.com.au/Models/700Series/tabid/66/Default.aspx
Ross here is some of the info regarding the 520ps 14l; The No Army bought the Swedish CV 90 infantry fighting vehicle some years ago. The producer promissed some 500++ hp in it. With the Scania 14 litre.(hägglunds vehicle) We got our own testingcells at our main garrage for main battle tanks. Some olderly..ehh senior workers.. with a lot of expertise on testing engines and gearboxes. They handle everything from the small ones to the V12 1500ps Main battle tank engines, with the gearbox on the engine. There is some torque out of those renk gearboxes... Well, the scania got so much vibration in the register when u pass 500 hp, that the engine oil pump bolts snapped off directly. Result is obvious. So u increase those; gears then take the night. So they added a inside c clip ring in the gears as a vibration damper. That works rather well, but u get other problems. The exsaust temp is then so high that the bolts between the exaust manifold and the turbo is red and getting longer.... Yes, and then exaust cuts the fuel line, we are talking about the engine compartment of a fighting vehicle.....This is not funny. I am not shure of the exact ps today, but i mean it is around 520 ps. And our senior guys in the cells with their computers and stuff has more competence in testing engines than Scania does.(I said testing, not producing) It's their life to test components like this.(some say kill the engines) Say AEP-5 to a Scania engineer from Sweden and i bet he is not your friend anymore. AEP-5 is a NATO test for endurance of engines. U drive the engine after a program, 24/7, different torque, rpm, axeleration and such. U run the whole life of a engine in around 500 hours. If the engine holds it gets tumbs up, if not it will be dead in the test cell. Some Scania 14l has died in our testcells.... And this is the official info i can tell..
I should have said Hino doesn't sell COE anymore in Canada maybe you can special order them. This is all what Hino offers in Canada www.hinocanada.com/index-2.html
For u Ross. Scania 164, 580 ps from the pictures.(i bet not 480...) This one got a extra cooling system behind the cab. I beliewe he got a converter in this one, and a extra cooler for that. Single, single, tripple on the truck. Boogie and 3 singels on the trailer. A single means max 10t/22 000lbs, boogie means 18t/39600 lbs. But DOT dosen't allow us to use the max pr axle, they also look at the total weight. Here u can se two extra axles coupled to the trailer. He can then park either a single, or both, up on the back. I didn't find this spesific crushers weight, but at least 80 000 lbs/40t. And i bet the guy in the yellow jacket is from DOT. They follow us when we are over the limits.(they have a limit for everything) More than 130 000 lbs and u got to have a DOT to follow u. Pictures from tungtransport.com
MAN with problems Here is a MAN with problems... He has gone into the roundabout not knowing the outcome. Looks like he heads down the first road to the right after reversing. This move puts an enormous force on the spring bushings/bolts on the trailer. Wheels pointing in all directions. It's very easy to get some axels out of line. (bushings move/break loose from the weld) And the load is 60t/132 000lbs + the rock demolition crane. Friction stearing is ok when u go forward, but when reversing it got to be straight before the reverse lock engages. Our transport guys got in a situation like this.. They backed down, raised the trailer and crossed the fine grass with 6wd. 4 of our lowboys is destructive... Road authorities made a new one that u could pass straight over without big problems. Rule now is to make them passable with special transports. They make a smoth change in height over the middle.(not the sharp, high stone around like this one) But u still find stupid ones like this some places.:Banghead Last picture shows the parking of a extra axle on a vang's trailer.
Those guys must go through tires on a regular basis I never seen a lowbed run two boosters on the back. You guys sure need allot of wheels/Axles to gross the weight you do. For us 8 axles is maximum amount without permits etc. No booster axles on the tractor. The lowbed can be a tridem with standard spread. Here is a common equipment move for around here the rear booster isn't used.
Hey Ford LT-9000 You might say so. Normal constelation here is a 3 plus 3 on a truck/trailer. Then u got ap 110 000 lbs totalweight.(50t) Then if u want to move heavier u got to add axles. The guys here then can have 4 on the truck, and a extra on hand. Trailers are normaly 3, + 2 single ones that can be added. U then have a yearly permit on the 4+3 and 4+4 constellation. The permit makes u go for a higher total weight on the different road classes. And no DOT follow guy. When u go so high as 4+5, 5+4 or 5+5 u always have to apply for a special permit. (you are way above maxload.)For each trip. Then they calculate the allowed weight and u get a go/nogo from the DOT. Nogo means: add more axles or go for a extension in front on the lowbed. The ones with a 5+4 or 5+5 in most cases also have the lowbed extendible to spread the axle loads more. U lay it down on the ground, and have a hyd sylinder inside the lowbed frame that push it out. Some got extension both to the back and to the front. The Army is rather special to the rest of the country, we got a 3+6 constellation. And it weighs around 77 000 lbs empty.(its not a lowboy) U can drive it around without a weight permit, but then u got only 33 000 lbs of weight to load. We have a yearly permit for around 143 000 lbs total. And apply for the 200 000lbs total when we want to move the big tanks.
The regulations are for the conditions of the roads. For us in B.C. no wide spread axles are allowed for the reason is they can't turn. The roads are built on solid ground up in the Interior of of B.C. its a little different with load restrictions. In BC we are allowed 63,500kgs max gross can go more with permits. The roads can't physically fit oversized loads. Mobile homes at 14' wide and 70' long is maximum size dimensionally. You don't want to meet a 14' wide mobile being pulled down the road in the opposite direction you are going. With Super B trains being so common in B.C. most trucks are registered for a gross weight of 63,500 (139,992lbs). Tridem trailers are common here too especially in van configuration (53 foot) you get those loaded up with 25 ton in them you can hear the suspension in the trailer creaking and groaning while manuevering in a paved parking lot on hot pavement. The tires scrub off 1/8 of a inch of tread while they are forcibly dragged through the turn. I watched one of the local trucking companies with a loaded up triaxle flatdeck trailer do a sharp U turn in the parking lot where I work. You would have thought somebody did a brake stand in a car laying rubber with the black streaks left behind. The trailer was a older spring ride I thought for sure something was going to let go. With a allowable axle weight of 24,000kgs (52,900lbs) theres lots of weight over 12 tires and three axles.
I understand. Here they changed the regulation some years ago. If u want 110' lbs u got to have a spread on the last of the three. And there needs to be friction stearing on the last. If a EU trailer with 3 axles like the one u describe, comes up here its max 44t/97' lbs of totalweight. The DOT demands a lot of steared axles to allow u to have the extra weight and permits.(lenght demand) And as u say, tire costs is skyhigh if u don't have steared axles. Some of the special transport guy's got all the axles steared. The first one/two is then hydraulic, so the others follow. And normaly they are locked in straight forward position. Regarding width there is another question. max 2,5m without yellow light and sign.(8,2 foot)Normal width of trucks. 2,5-3,0m sign and yellow light.(8,2 - 9,8) 3,0-3,6 sign, light and pace car.(9,8-11,8)Pace car also with light and sign. 3,6-4,0 permit, light, sign, pace car, police permit/police pace car.(11,8-13,1) 4,0 - permit, DOT pace guy, police escort, pace car, sign light.(13,1 up) If they admit u too drive with that width. Up to 11,8 u don't need a permit, single trips with pace car is OK.
It is interesting what different hoops other people have to go through to move equipment or oversized loads around :yup
Yeah. Volvo bought up about everything that Mercedes didn't want. GMC, Autocar, White, let's see, Mack came from the French after they nearly ran it into the ground, not that it had far to go. That is one big boom on that Cat crawler. What size is that machine -- 385? The tractor also has a slight Russian look to the grill and very front. Several truck dealerships in the states now selling Volvo/Mack side by side.
Hæhre D11 Her flytter han maskinen min
Tøft, vi har fått en Normann til! Velkommen hit. Håper du finner interresante ting her. Dog, moderatorerne vil nok at vi skal ta tinga på engelsk. Kjører du 11'ern til Hæhre? Er nok mange her som gjerne vil se noen bilder...Hint hint
Hæhre D11 Her flytter han maskinen min
Hæhre D11 Ja jeg kjører den.
Du kommer til å få høre det. Dozere er veldig populært her på forumet. Snittalderen på folka her er 45-55. De har som oftest tilbragt mange år i gamle dosere. Og spør og graver om det meste, for vi gjør ting noe annerledes enn hos dem. Fine bilder, det er bare å legge ut flere, så kommer spørsmålene. Hvor driver du på akkurat nå? Er ikke så mange jobber store nok for deg her i landet... I am sorry squissy and digger we are doing som local talks...
Espen, forresten, hvor mange aksler hadde han på bilen? Ett par foran på hengeren også? Og var ripperen avmontert? Dette kommer flere til å lure på, for du kjører ikke D11 med 5 aksler på hengern slik som det i usa. Beklager om jeg maser...
Hæhre D11 12 aksler. Sender med ett bilde
Hæhre Zaxis 850
Well, if you don't stop, I'm going to have Squizzy post something in Australian. I'll be able to understand it, because he sent me a fair dinkum Aussie translation guide, but you guys will feel left out...
You forgot the welcome. Espen here is driving the only D11 on the mainland of Norway. There is a D11 on Svalbard with a coal blade owned by a Norwegian firm, but this is the only in the country.(there is some competition here i bet!) And its nearly brand new.. He got it mowed by the Scania i pictured. And a D11, without blade, on a 4+3+5 axled truck. I bet he will post some more pictures of the cat in action.
I apologize! espen holte, welcome to the HEF! (You know, welcoming the new members is always Countryboy's job. He's probably going to file a grievance... )
You were at least 6 minutes too late
Cool photos! The pic of the Hitachi, is it layed down or is that all the clearance it had on the road. When we haul our 150 ton crane the lowboy only has 1" or clearance. You have to be picky where you go.
its layed down
Welcome to HEF espen holte! :drinkup Nice pictures man. :thumbsup I could go to speakin' Broken Backwoods Engrish with Wrenchbender and then you would feel left out.....:cool2
DIGGER.....................He said "ENGRISH!!!!!! LOL
Uh oh. Maybe he's been sent over here by Komatsu to spy on Cat's prototype loaders :yup
Hmm......maybe theres a different meaning to the term "Engrish" than the one I know.... I though it meant broken english. :beatsme
Yeah, but more precisely it refers to the Japanese variety, not the Jaw-juh variety. Google it...
Huh......who woulda thunk. Never even heard of that. My uncle came down from Ohio one year and told me thats what we spoke down here. He said that all our words were formed together and he didn't understand me sometimes. I told him he was one to be talking. He asked me if I would give him a "pop" one time. I didn't know what he meant and he said "you know.....a soda pop". I said "You mean a Coke":beatsme. He also called me Mack instead of Mark...but that was because of accent. I guess he wasn't sure of the of the meaning either. Hope its not an offensive term.
These VANG's trailers is made in my neighbourhood... I live about 10km from the site where they produces those. VANG's is not only making lowbeds, they are also known for making special light tipptrailers... heres a link too their trailer albums.. http://www.vangs.no/hengeralbum It's on norwegian. Here's some links too VANG's product sites: http://www.vangs.no/documents/15.pdf http://www.vangs.no/documents/16.pdf http://www.vangs.no/documents/1.pdf http://www.vangs.no/documents/23.pdf (this one is specially made for transport of brand new logingmachines from faktory to customer) http://www.vangs.no/documents/26.pdf They have also delivered som specialtrailers too Canada lately.. And VANG's is one of the few manufactures who have an all hydraulic widening system and extention system and hydraulic steering on their trailers.. I hope you all enjoy this pics